Chapter Tower of God Chapter 539 Spoilers & Discussion

[shaheer]

Alpha scans released the latest.. perhaps pin it if it's not already posted
https://alpha-scans.org/tower-of-god-chapter-539/

 

[SuperTurtle]

If shinsoo doesn't exist outside the tower, how was enryus God so certain that he could complete the task given to him? What made him so special to be designated this task whilst outside the tower and not having the use or practice of shinsoo? How was he instantly so proficient at something he never used this is the equivalent of seeing a car for the first time then immediately winning the grand prix

It is impossible to answer this due to the lack of infos but I have two theories:

- Enryu is no stranger to the Tower. He might have been around since the creation of the Tower. He could even have more privileges than irregulars as the messanger of God.
So he is not a newbie at all when it comes to shinsu control. We know that he is better than an Admin but he still needed a long fight to finish it off. And we could argue that Enryu didn't kill the Admin because it reincarnated itself.

- shinsu means divine water. We can think that it's a power that belongs to divine beings such as the God of the Tower or the God of the outside. (They may or may not be the same being).
Enryu, as an emmisary, could be able to tap in this source of power.
If you take the extended univers into account, Gods could be Axis and shinsu Axis's field. But when used with Axis's level of skills, shinsu can become something that looks foreign to the shinsu that inferior beings know of. (Cf Phantaminum)

 

[Yelnats]

That Baam formed a contract, called 'shackles' by the very admin he contracted with?

Remember that shinsoo contract have to be formed on each floor? The contract signed with 2nd floor admin do not apply to higher floors. Even if Baam signed that one, at worst it only shackle him at 2nd floor.

 

[Lo Po Bia]

Will there always be PB vs LPB, or will we have LPB vs FUG?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I proved

lol, hilarious.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

If shinsoo doesn't exist outside the tower, how was enryus God so certain that he could complete the task given to him? What made him so special to be designated this task whilst outside the tower and not having the use or practice of shinsoo? How was he instantly so proficient at something he never used this is the equivalent of seeing a car for the first time then immediately winning the grand prix

We are talking about the messenger of a god who seems to know about the tower very well

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Remember that shinsoo contract have to be formed on each floor? The contract signed with 2nd floor admin do not apply to higher floors. Even if Baam signed that one, at worst it only shackle him at 2nd floor.

Counterpoint is that it SEEMS like all the OG13 formed them all the way up, as it is pointedly said Zahard has one on every floor, and was the first to form one.

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I hope you understand that Baam power came from inside the tower and not outside .

No, it's quite literally the opposite.

He couldn't do what he can if he were from inside the tower.

 

[Cinera]

There is absolutely NOTHING that says BH Koon are their military strength. Absolutely nothing.

Asensio is already well regarded in the family because he created his own faction.

"Faction" = "Branch". The term being used for the "Faction" Asensio created and the "Branch" Maschenny hails from is the same.

So Asensio is a Branch Leader.

Eduan's wives fight for political power and we know that there is the wife of the main family, so it is much more logical to think that they control the branches.

Eduan's wives having their political struggles does not imply that they lead the Branches. It could simply be political struggles confined to the wives.

What is the "Main Family"? Who are it's members? Who's the wife of the Main Family? The Maschennies are just another Branch of the Khun Family, and they seem to be the most prominent and prestigious. It's very dubious that there's a Main Family that's held in higher esteem than them.

The person AA works with is influential enough to override the influence of the person who "abandoned" him so it could very well be one of or the regent Koon.

LOL, no. AA's abandonment was probably reversed because he was selected by a Regular. AA was abandoned by the Family Leader.

The person AA works with is someone that Maschenny does not regard at all. She said that she can erase AA from the Khun Family at any time she pleases. So whoever is backing AA, it's not someone that can so much as inconvenience her.

I mean I think Maschenny is above the Khun Regents, but she wouldn't show one such little regard. IMO it's most likely that he's another Branch Leader like Asensio. AA calling him one of the Family's "Leaders" reinforces this.

And BH LPB were seen as the LPB family's own army, I don't know why you're creating a distinction here.

The Narrator and Jinsung made that distinction.

Jinsung differentiated between Pudidy when he was an officer of the Lo Po Bia Army and when he was a Branch Leader. The implication is that he did not occupy these two positions simultaneously.

Kirin is a "Great Tamer" of the Lo Po Bia Army but not a Branch Leader. There may be other powerful officers of the Lo Po Bia Army.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Honnestly, the only nuance here is about Urek and Jahad.
The rest is quite clear but you chose to ignore my arguments.

So, the thing is we don't disagree on the macro discussion, so there's nothing I'm ignoring really. I'm discussing, at this point, nuance, implication, and speculation.

Yes, we know that Urek chose to shackle himself with a contract, the ranker contract.

We don't know if that's a limiting contract, like the shinsoo contract, as you seem to agree below.

The trad-off are known. Ranker can't go to regular area. Immortals can't die even if they whant to. Shinsu contract allow to use it but with a cap depending on the floor.

Sorry, but there's a lot left unknown about the esoteric nature (such as the components or execution) of the contracts the irregulars make with the admin, and what, if any, tradeoffs there are.

Contracts are not necessarly shackles.

The admin specifically calls a shinsoo contract a shackle. It grants permission to do what can already be done (for irregs), but it has limiting features - "shackles" - that we don't even know the details about yet.

Nothing indicates that Admins can cancel a contract that goes beyond itself. The same way they can't take irregular's privileges, nothing says they can just take away immortality, kingship or ranker status.
As opposition to the right to use shinsu on there floor or the ruler contract, things limited to a single floor.

I'm not sure what, or who, you're referring to here?

 

[zoradante1]

@Vali x lucifer has appeared after a century. Thanks for coming. What do you think about traum wanting baam to eat oyakodon with twins???

 

[Yelnats]

Maschenny wanted Baam to acquire Leviathan. She was only pretending to believe that Baam didn't get anything from the Frozen Waterfall.

I think so. But how is Maschenny able to get help from high ranking member of Khun family such as Marco Asensio, do you think she has the backing of Khun Eduan?

as it is pointedly said Zahard has one on every floor

When was it pointed?

"Faction" = "Branch". The term being used for the "Faction" Asensio created and the "Branch" Maschenny hails from is the same.

So Asensio is a Branch Leader.

Looks like the requirement is to create distinct spear technique.

 

[JustJosh]

It would have cost you nothing not to say that

Na I heard last week, people was saying this is like black clover or that black clover was better than tower of God. I ain't ever heard blasphemy like that in my Life

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

When was it pointed?

Ch 33.

 

[Yelnats]

but once they 'shackle' themselves they use it under the permission of the admin

Kill the admin

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Ch 33.

Which volume?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Which volume?

Literally chapter 33.

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Kill the admin

Imposiburu

 

[DeadCosmos]

You have to wonder if they can even handle Bam's blood/sperm. If zahard can not be handled, then bam too maybe. Can bam even get aroused enough?? he doesnt seem to be into girls much

 

[Yelnats]

Literally chapter 33.

It wasn't indicated as shinsoo contract and wasn't indicated at which floor.

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You have to wonder if they can even handle Bam's blood/sperm. If zahard can not be handled, then bam too maybe. Can bam even get aroused enough?? he doesnt seem to be into girls much

Workshop can use operation to harvest it.

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Imposiburu

Maybe one day after he claim all 4 thorns left by Enryu. Anyway, as Enryu is still in the tower, he can kill the admin who shackle Baam.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

He born on the inside, he move outside, and then he came to the tower from outside. It doesn't matter where he born, what matter is that he open the door on his own from the outside.

The current iteration of Baam is considered to have come from outside because that is where he was 'born' or brought (back) to life, as such the tower recognizes him as foreign.

It wasn't indicated as shinsoo contract and wasn't indicated at which floor.

SIU confirmed in a tweet Zahard was the first being in the tower to contract with any admin. The wiki says that he has one on every floor, no source, but obviously I'm not crazy as the wiki writer believes this was said somewhere along the lines. Stay tuned.

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Maybe one day after he claim all 4 thorns left by Enryu. Anyway, as Enryu is still in the tower, he can kill the admin who shackle Baam.

That I hope we get to see.

 

[Lucky Steve]

Pretty ingenious move here by Jahad! Although he wants Baam dead, he is effectively using Baam to sniff out betrayal between the Great Families. Gustang and now Traum have shown their true colors!



Jahad wants Baam dead lol. He wiped out Arlene and V’s existence in the tower, there is no way in hell he wants Baam alive and married

That's true. Even Jahad said that in hidden floor arc like "I thought I'd killed you before".

Or maybe this is what "Cruel Fate" that Jahad mentioned in Hidden Floor Arc before?

 

[JustJosh]

In short, they aren't. Contracts are part of the adventure granted to them by the Tower.

It has nothing to do with your question but do you think Irregulars can equal or even surpass Admins with enough time and effort ?
I mean, they are like mini Admins when they enter the Tower.
- inate authority over shinsu
- power over fate
- limitless growth

In theory, nothing should stop them from mastering shinsu to the point of becoming immortal through there own power or equaling Admins control over shinsu right ? Gustang for exemple can grant pseudo-immortality via a spell.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day Jahad shows us abilities on the same level of Enryu.
He has the right to change the Tower's laws and is working on mastering fate. The man is still growing.

No... that would cheapen the Thorn and it capabilities. The 13GW had thousands of years to surpass an administrator. But Siu said no matter how hard you try Zahard can't beat or kill an administrator. And it makes sense considering they are literally Gods on their Floor.

I believe baam will reach Enryu level because of the Thorn and his limitless potential. But I don't believe the other irregulars will.

Take Urek as an example. Who is the strongest physical Irregular and who is stronger than All 13GW.

Urek got his shinsu disabled by an fragment of an Administrator power. Even tho he still won without shinsu, how would he fair up against the real thing? Urek obviously gets stomp.

Question - How would EOS Baam Fair up against Urek Mazino?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

No... that would cheapen the Thorn and it capabilities. The 13GW had thousands of years to surpass an administrator. But Siu said no matter how hard you try Zahard can't beat or kill an administrator. And it makes sense considering they are literally Gods on their Floor.

I believe baam will reach Enryu level because of the Thorn and his limitless potential. But I don't believe the other irregulars will.

Take Urek as an example. Who is the strongest physical Irregular and who is stronger than All 13GW.

Urek got his shinsu disabled by an fragment of an Administrator power. Even tho he still won without shinsu, how would he fair up against the real thing? Urek obviously gets stomp.

Question - How would EOS Baam Fair up against Urek Mazino?

Precisely.

There's no point entertaining the thought of the old irregulars surpassing the admin because SIU has already said it's impossible.

That said, he didn't say why. Would be hilarious if they COULD have but they instead shackled themselves, preventing the possibility.

Something Enryu didn't do. I think the full thorn grants complete shinsoo mastery, over the admin even, thereby breaking the contracts if any.