Games Mafia Game 102 - Genswap Impact: End Game

[Copy Panda]

omo! but in fake spanish

Spoiler: Night Actions MG102!

 

[Holt]

Also need to consider that if somehow two scum are paired in the list, they can just lie. Imo, it’s worth noting that the mechanic would be more helpful in potentially finding scum (via flipped weapons) than confirmations. Nonetheless, I agree that orderly swapping in pairs is best.

 

[Lambu]

I'll place my votekill on shinobi for now, random among the ones I have nothing on. Might change in my break time.

I dont like the idea of swapping with Marm at all but, again, if everyone else agrees to that then so be it, I will accept a possibly lame destiny.

For Shad I would be more enthusiastic, but still feels like such a trashy way of solving the puzzle, feels like the situation of Claymore game in a sense.

 

[Brandish μ]

Confiming I am swapping with Cres, we target each other.

Be sleeping soon.

 

[Evil3ye]

Confiming I am swapping with Cres, we target each other.

Be sleeping soon.

Oh c'mon now

@Erinyes are you OK if I target you?

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 16, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 16, 2022 ---

Erin since you don't wanna swap with demon nor do I want with gajeel

 

[Erinyes]

@Erinyes are you OK if I target you?

Yep !


for now votekill SonOfDaws just placeholder.

 

[Vandred]

Alright, I went through a bunch of possible outcomes to the pairing system. I assumed six people for the scum, but a slight variation to those numbers will not alter the outcomes significantly. I also disregarded kills, blocks and uncooperative townies, since this is a look at how it would work ideally. But even then, the general system would not be unaffected as long as most townies follow the plan.

Spoiler: Scenario 1

All the scum are lined up perfectly. We know all of them by D2, we go through the motions and lynch them one by one until we win by D7 while blocking and prosecuting them or whatever.

Spoiler: Scenario 2

All the scum are lined up perfectly, but in their favour. We will have no swap at all on D2, so we reshuffle in order to pair everyone with a different player so that all the scum will inevitably end up with a townie. Then we go through the motions and win around D8.

Spoiler: Scenario 3

Two mafias are paired together, the others are with townies. Even though we get a good four of them on D2, we still shouldn't stop reshuffling to be sure.

Spoiler: Scenario 4

Four mafias are paired together, which doesn't change much, but more importantly, the first reshuffle pairs up scum with scum again. Reshuffling again solves the situation, but it's not enough to give for granted that we'll have found everyone with the third night of reshuffling - especially considering outside disruption like mafia blocks and kills.

All things considered it does look like the system gives the town a strong advantage, and in optimal conditions (which the scum have no way to influence at the moment, and even in later nights they will need to keep themselves anonymous to one another so there's no way to exploit this for them) it can turn the game into a near-unwinnable situation for mafia, but there are still ways for them to prevent it being an autopilot win for town.

The universal downside, of course, is that all the current townies will have to agree to take the chance of swapping into the most-likely losing team, with no way out of a lynch even if their team somehow makes it in the end. Most likely, one or more townies will also end up TP, meaning instant lynch. Some current mafias may remain unnoticed until D4 by masterfully (and very luckily) managing to throw a wrench in the plan, but unless they're hardcore tryharders, it will most likely be a frustrating attempt at outlasting all their fellow teammates without being able to cooperate for more than one or two nights, anonymously, before they become town and try to figure out who the others were...

I think that’s the problem. We won’t be learning anything next day. Hosts must have compensated in some way for scums. If they are all traitors with perhaps one real mafia, then we’re confirming traitors (green weapon) while the ‘’third party players aka traitors’’ also get a needed headstart by avoiding lynching. That’s just a thought tho, but no way the plan will work as expected. Just remains to know how the hosts dealt with the mafia member in this theory...

One real mafia with a lot of traitors would render the concealed identity mechanics largely irrelevant, because only the original mafia would be "safe" while they know all the people they recruited. I don't think it's likely, but I do wonder what I'm missing about the mafia chances in this game.

 

[Demonspeed]

Who would you target to swap with?

Anyone who is eager to swap like this is a no in my book(besides maybe Brandish and James).

Idk what you refer to, Saint Seiya had nothing like that where I could choose anything.

The main thing is keeping it nice and orderly. If everyone chaotically picks, we can have triangles or even squares where people pick same person and it shuffles so much to the point we can‘t tell anymore who had what and who to trust.

This is MG. You know things won't be nice and orderly after the NP. Maybe it wasn't the Saint Seiya game but you made a promise to a player (Asako?) that you would help him/her if your plan were to fail or something and after it happened you obviously didn't. I think it was Saint Seiya but I might be wrong. It was the game where you ended up becoming Juviii's lover late game, right?

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Confiming I am swapping with Cres, we target each other.

Be sleeping soon.

I just want to say:

You choose the number 5 which means Grace or favor so I would stick with your roulette.

 

[Evil3ye]

Updated List by intention:
Generally yes and available, generally yes and paired, generally no, no clear intention yet formulated

Spoiler

Asako	AwkwardMisha
Brandish	Crescent Jinx
Demonspeed	Erinyes
Evil3ye	Gajeel
GB	GrySun
Holt	James
Lambu	Marmalade
Shad	shinobi
SirSamuel	SonOfDaws
Tatsumaki	Vandred
gnut

Paird friend list

Asako (targets)	shinobi
Shad (targets)	GrySun (targets)
Brandish (targets)	Crescent Jinx (targets)
Evil3ye (targets)	Erinyes

 

[Shad]

I dont like the idea of swapping with Marm at all but, again, if everyone else agrees to that then so be it, I will accept a possibly lame destiny.

I'm busy right now but gotta say that there is no agreement on this topic, people are choosing their partners to swap with and I would really like to trade with you.

Let just confirm so that we can be added to the list and let others find partners?

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 16, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 16, 2022 ---

Sorry busy at work not reading other posts right now

 

[Copy Panda]

We would need a host confirm for that but honestly as host I would only notify the player if something actually happened that changed to the prior state of the role, no in-between night positions.

@Farfalla @Copy Panda

The hosts inform the player of their latest role

 

[Shad]

but you made a promise to a player (Asako?) that you would help him/her if your plan were to fail or something and after it happened you obviously didn't.

Reminds me of his promise to trade life with me when he was mafia with you xD

What I like about Gry is that he breaks his promises loudly xD next day he was like 'Sorry shad not gonna happen' xD

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Vote kill GrySun BTW.

Why?

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

what happenned if several people target 1 person?

 

[Asako]

I think it would be fine if at least everyone agreed to swap and picked their own targets. But when everything is decided like this? No. I don't like what you said about swapping with Asako too if she ends up unlucky (I know you would never do that). You didn't in the Saint Seiya game or something?

Also, following this plan and allowing a Mafia/TP to get an easy win N1 would piss me off.

Oh ofc never trust gry word on this, I'm not trusting him he will, and not planning on him to do it


And i definitely could love to swap on by choice with my decision not with some alphabetical order
At least if i end up as mafia it could been my pick

So yea

 

[Evil3ye]

Updated List by intention:
Generally yes and available, generally yes and paired, generally no, no clear intention yet formulated

Spoiler

Asako	AwkwardMisha
Brandish	Crescent Jinx
Demonspeed	Erinyes
Evil3ye	Gajeel
GB	GrySun
Holt	James
Lambu	Marmalade
Shad	shinobi
SirSamuel	SonOfDaws
Tatsumaki	Vandred
gnut

Paird friend list

Asako (targets)	shinobi
Shad (targets)	GrySun (targets)
Brandish (targets)	Crescent Jinx (targets)
Evil3ye (targets)	Erinyes

Available greens could you please agree with each other? Sam is already sleeping but said generally yes to anyone.

@AwkwardMisha @James Rye @MarmaladeSky @Tatsumaki

and sorry in that list shinobi is already taken.

 

[Asako]

Votekill GB

Placeholder and gut feeling

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Evil3ye (targets)Erinyes

It’s bad juju if the same letter name targets another same letter name.

E on E doesn’t work.

like G on a G.

so no
Gry on Gnut
or
GB on Gryffindor

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 16, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 16, 2022 ---

Or S on S

Shinobi-Sons

 

[Evil3ye]

It’s bad juju if the same letter name targets another same letter name.

E on E doesn’t work.

like G on a G.

so no
Gry on Gnut
or
GB on Gryffindor

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 16, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 16, 2022 ---

Or S on S

Shinobi-Sons

Stop being homophonebic.

 

[Copy Panda]

votes updated, i hope i didnt miss any