August hasn’t used copy magic until we saw him on screen based on CS being surprised that he can use them And just like how August doesn’t even use magic of other wizards that are also caster magic users. Jellal got crushed, simply as. He even admits he is so strong that he was nothing to August.
Jellal is the most overrated character. My apologize to Jellal's fans it is only my opinion.
He was one-shoted by Neinhart. Jellal and Crime Sorcière did nothing against August. And Eileen is about August level. Then we saw how Jellal was very good against Acnologia who is stronger then both August and Eileen. How? Because
Eileen low dif
Bleeding is more of a bug bite to characters who power through such things as if nothing. Not trying to die is not really a good feat for him compared to Irene keeping Acno away for most of the final battle with Alvarez. and anything Jellal did, August would scale higher.
Er, bleeding? Like when Eileen was trying to transfer her soul into Wendy's body. Lol that erza was above jellal. She was enhanced and Eileen was completely distracted. Even then Eileen got a non significant injury. Doubt gildarts or laxus would be ok if erza charged them like that.
Nope. Eileen won against Acnologia, rendering him uselessfor reasonable amount of time. While jellal feats are impressive they dont mean much. I dont think jellal is that above serena
And of fp meteor isn't gonna do much to human Eileen either (especially since enhanced erza didnt)
Er, bleeding? Like when Eileen was trying to transfer her soul into Wendy's body. Lol that erza was above jellal. She was enhanced and Eileen was completely distracted. Even then Eileen got a non significant injury. Doubt gildarts or laxus would be ok if erza charged them like that.
Nope. Eileen won against Acnologia, rendering him uselessfor reasonable amount of time. While jellal feats are impressive they dont mean much. I dont think jellal is that above serena
And of fp meteor isn't gonna do much to human Eileen either (especially since enhanced erza didnt)
Erza & Wendy made Irene bleed before that, nothing suggest that Erza was above Jellal. Irene wasn't distracted, also what's the point of bringing Gildarts and Laxus they ain't in this discussion and I never argued they could
Context matters, Irene objective was to stall and remove Acno from the field with prep magic, against an Acno who was playing. Jellal was against an Acno who was after DS (his objective), and not only stalled Acno but pushed him back in his dragon form when he went all out with Meteor.
Jellal has better performance against Acno, thus FP Meteor Jellal splats Human Irene.
Erza & Wendy made Irene bleed before that, nothing suggest that Erza was above Jellal. Irene wasn't distracted, also what's the point of bringing Gildarts and Laxus they ain't in this discussion and I never argued they could
Context matters, Irene objective was to stall and remove Acno from the field with prep magic, against an Acno who was playing. Jellal was against an Acno who was after DS (his objective), and not only stalled Acno but pushed him back in his dragon form when he went all out with Meteor.
Jellal has better performance against Acno, thus FP Meteor Jellal splats Human Irene.
Not really. The first time was when Eileen was injured was when she was having heart to heart with her daughter, Wendy came out of nowhere to stile her, followed by erza. This again is better than what happened to August and Brandish. And yes, Eileen was reasonably distracted in both cases
Nothing also suggest jellal was above erza, thus enhanced erza was without doubt above jellal.
They were brought up to show that Eileen durability is pretty high.
You mean to say this was full strength of aconologia against jellal. Hmm interesting
No, because erza feat against aconologia is higher than jellal's feat and enhanced erza could not put down Eileen
I think the most easiest and reasonable argument would be
Human Eileen > Enhanced erza > Erza = jellal
Jellal got a moment to shine because he lacked one before that, just like laxus nuke against ajeel. Its a compensatory feat. Jellal isn't gonna toy with erza like human Eileen did, because he is not in Eileen tier. Which Is what manga showed that Eileen and August are too strong
Erza & Wendy made Irene bleed before that, nothing suggest that Erza was above Jellal. Irene wasn't distracted, also what's the point of bringing Gildarts and Laxus they ain't in this discussion and I never argued they could
Context matters, Irene objective was to stall and remove Acno from the field with prep magic, against an Acno who was playing. Jellal was against an Acno who was after DS (his objective), and not only stalled Acno but pushed him back in his dragon form when he went all out with Meteor.
Jellal has better performance against Acno, thus FP Meteor Jellal splats Human Irene.
Irene was distracted, no different from Sakura wounding Kaguya when she was distracted too, she was hence her surprised panel, but again the damage was not enough to make a difference. Acno was not playing as he acknowledged her strength and was even talking to her, it is established that he doesn’t hold a conversation to anyone (apart from dragons) who he considered bugs and doesn’t expend all his power. Acno was not even serious. And even then that only improves Irene’s reasoning to win since his performance only highlights August’s performance against Jellal who is equal to Irene.
Imagine saying Jellal did better against Acno when he was laughed off by the King of Dragons as the ant he is while Irene impressed Acnologia via her prowess and skill.
Anyone saying Jellal did better when he needed to be saved by a ship that Wall oneshotted 400km away is just being obtuse at this point. In no way did Jellal's feat against Acno even remotely compared to Irene's feats. Dude couldn't even force her rival August to sweat with his entire crew backing him, he is not doing anything to Irene. She no diffs him, his guild, and his previous two opponents, Gears and Neinheart, with no sweat. Jellal is simply out of his league.
Jellal is the most overrated character. My apologize to Jellal's fans it is only my opinion.
He was one-shoted by Neinhart. Jellal and Crime Sorcière did nothing against August. And Eileen is about August level. Then we saw how Jellal was very good against Acnologia who is stronger then both August and Eileen. How? Because
Eileen low dif
1. Jellal wasn't "one shot" by Neinhart. He drowned, the attack itself didn't even scratch him (no blood, no visible injuries, no scratch). If the damage from attack indeed did one shot him, sucking out the water from him wouldn't have got him back to as good as new, he would've needed healing
2. You completely ignore the context with August fight, the dude is immune to everything Jellal pulls out, of course he got no diff'd. Human Eileen and pretty much all the caster mages will suffer the same fate
3. Acno wasn't serious against Jellal, and had no desire to kill him. A serious Acno one shots everyone in Alverez arc within a second.
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Human Eileen high-extreme diffs x792 Jellal
Any x793 high tier good guy beats human Eileen, same for Jellal too.
1. Jellal wasn't "one shot" by Neinhart. He drowned, the attack itself didn't even scratch him (no blood, no visible injuries, no scratch). If the damage from attack indeed did one shot him, sucking out the water from him wouldn't have got him back to as good as new, he would've needed healing
2. You completely ignore the context with August fight, the dude is immune to everything Jellal pulls out, of course he got no diff'd. Human Eileen and pretty much all the caster mages will suffer the same fate
3. Acno wasn't serious against Jellal, and had no desire to kill him. A serious Acno one shots everyone in Alverez arc within a second.
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Human Eileen high-extreme diffs x792 Jellal
Any x793 high tier good guy beats human Eileen, same for Jellal too.
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x792 Erza managed to have a back and forth battle with bloodlusted human Eileen, AFTER Wendy went down. x792 Jellal can definitely replicate this.
That’s not how drowning works, there are multiple factors to it, it takes time for a person to lose consciousness when drowning, Jellal was unconscious way to quickly. When has injuries stopped anyone from waking up unexpectedly? aka Natsu being shot in the mouth and was fine. And Wendy was blasted by magic attack and has no injuries as well and was unconscious.
August did not use copy magic until we saw him use it against CS as they were surprised to see him using magic, and it is not a requirement either as we see him us magic other than his targets. Acno was stated to go all out against those he doesn't see as a worthy enemy (apart from dragons). nerfed Irene could react to Haku, I doubt that Jellal is getting close then.
problem is we really don’t know had strong Jellal is right now because his neither him or Erza were serious in their fight and we don’t know how strong Gears was compar to other villains
That’s not how drowning works, there are multiple factors to it, it takes time for a person to lose consciousness when drowning, Jellal was unconscious way to quickly. When has injuries stopped anyone from waking up unexpectedly? aka Natsu being shot in the mouth and was fine. And Wendy was blasted by magic attack and has no injuries as well and was unconscious.
August did not use copy magic until we saw him use it against CS as they were surprised to see him using magic, and it is not a requirement either as we see him us magic other than his targets. Acno was stated to go all out against those he doesn't see as a worthy enemy (apart from dragons). nerfed Irene could react to Haku, I doubt that Jellal is getting close then.
problem is we really don’t know had strong Jellal is right now because his neither him or Erza were serious in their fight and we don’t know how strong Gears was compar to other villains
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the chain had to have done something because why would Hiro add it in there
Chain would be really a non factor seeing as how easy Kagura could escape it, so Jellal would have to have been unconscious to the point of not even able to lift himself out of there. Though it does beg the question where did that chain come from when it was not even attached to the ship.
Chain would be really a non factor seeing as how easy Kagura could escape it, so Jellal would have to have been unconscious to the point of not even able to lift himself out of there. Though it does beg the question where did that chain come from when it was not even attached to the ship.
problem is we really don’t know had strong Jellal is right now because his neither him or Erza were serious in their fight and we don’t know how strong Gears was compar to other villains
Yep, that's all I'm saying. If anything, Jellal was stronger than her in x792, since it's kinda implied that Erza has been slowly closing the gap to Laxus, while Jellal has always been that level.
Right now yeah we don't know exactly where he stands by feats, but in absence of feats which allow direct comparison, we go by portrayal.
Current Jellal scales to current Laxus, who is a lot stronger than his x792 self.
As for Gears, yes, we don't know where he stands. But Aldo seed seems to consider him a cut above the others, with his comment of "even Gears has fallen". And Jellal basically one shotted him with his mid tier spell once he got around the hax
Not an argument man. x792 Erza was somewhat comparable to human Eileen herself, after Wendy fell. No reason x792 Jellal won't be able to replicate that.
Current Jellal scales to current Laxus/Erza, who are confirmed to be a lot stronger than they were in x792.
Any x793 high tier solos human Eileen
Not really. The first time was when Eileen was injured was when she was having heart to heart with her daughter, Wendy came out of nowhere to stile her, followed by erza. This again is better than what happened to August and Brandish. And yes, Eileen was reasonably distracted in both cases
Nothing also suggest jellal was above erza, thus enhanced erza was without doubt above jellal.
They were brought up to show that Eileen durability is pretty high.
You mean to say this was full strength of aconologia against jellal. Hmm interesting
No, because erza feat against aconologia is higher than jellal's feat and enhanced erza could not put down Eileen
I think the most easiest and reasonable argument would be
Human Eileen > Enhanced erza > Erza = jellal
Jellal got a moment to shine because he lacked one before that, just like laxus nuke against ajeel. Its a compensatory feat. Jellal isn't gonna toy with erza like human Eileen did, because he is not in Eileen tier. Which Is what manga showed that Eileen and August are too strong
Reread the fight, Irene was never distracted to the point where she somehow fell in durability. What about August and Brandish? August was hurt in his base form which is physically featless and Brandish is pathetic physically compared to anyone relevant.
Jellal performance against Acno > anything Erza has. That's what suggested superiority
Never said that but he was happy and dragon form >>> Human form
Erza used her entire arsenal which are physical attacks something Acno doesn't have resistance too, which blindsided Acno. Jellal did it with magic and head on. Don't ignore context....
That's not an argument, let me just say all of Irene's feats are compensatory too. See how dumb that sounds.
Jellal has better feats thus he would splatter Human Irene. It's that simple, no mental gymnastics, trying to deduce narrative or anything, just who has better feats. Which is Jellal by showings, when not hard countered.