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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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..somehow my vote to Asako is not yet up there...but yeah... trains can be boring, but better than chosing wild
 

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btw since my death is high during the night and i am still lost

!votekill Asako


with the chance to change later, bc i have some personal eyes on Brandish and Holt and some who make me feel irritating and i would have looked at night what they are^^

but maybe i am actually paranoid and useless :doge
@Farfalla here my first vote for today
 

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Mortician sounds like another role that I did not expect in a game like this, Spirit Medium makes way more sense. What advantage does Town gain from knowing "when a role was received" once they are dead? We would already know that upon death.
SM on the other hand makes sense by revealing "Who did they give the role to".

Sussy, very sussy.
I didn't make this game.
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I’m amused how everyone just pretty much jumped to the rule page to read about temporary roles. Farfalla and Erinyes doing their best to educate us plebs
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Wait. Would mortician help with this?
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Lambu?
im saved.
 

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I’m on, and catching up in a bit. Meantime, gotta give props to James and Shad for that Gry pressure. That was really well played.
 

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Ok Im back and should be around till the end of the Day

Huh? Isn't a recruitment like a kill that needs to be successful meaning Docs can stop it like normal kills? Because in my memory we had a game where a Mentor recruited a BG due him protecting the original target of the Mentor. I always thought Mentor recruitment works like a kill.
Im pretty sure it doesn't work like that, and I dont remember it ever being different.

Mentor recruits if he is alone (only kills if they target anti-town allignment). Its the reason it can recruit a Hider regardless of if it hid correctly or not, can recruit a Bulletproof, or doesn't trigger a Bomb upon recruiting.
Protection against Nightkills doesn't matter to Mentor.
 

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Caught up! I still don’t see how Asako is scummy. I’ve read your arguments about it, but I genuinely don’t see it. She’s playing like she normally would (as town that is).

James and his secondary doctor interesting I’d say.

What was the tea on digitaldude again, his claim?
 

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Digi claimed mortician.
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I’m on, and catching up in a bit. Meantime, gotta give props to James and Shad for that Gry pressure. That was really well played.
Thanks but lol, wait till you get to the part of Sakura revealing what she found out tonight. Not gonna spoiler you more than that. xD
 

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I mentioned almost everysingle townie role in game so his hint is kinda shit


kinda forgot about the new roles at the time
Alright then, I’ll say again that my role has been mentioned again in this day phase (as at this post I’m quoting)
 

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I'll take this seemingly calm moment right now to stress this point one more time. I dont want doc protection or any kind of protection whatsover, its not worth it, use those protection actions to prevent someone else's death.

I swear, if a Bodyguard exists and dares not protecting Nat tonight they deserve to be lynched instantly, no matter what they say.
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Alright then, I’ll say again that my role has been mentioned again in this day phase (as at this post I’m quoting)
If you are Spirit Medium just say it so we can lynch DD safely
 

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I swear, if a Bodyguard exists and dares not protecting Nat tonight they deserve to be lynched instantly, no matter what they say.
you have my heart :wtf :wtf
although i should just kept my mouth shut .... just bc of this death miller discussion/topic :notrust
 

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"Good evening citizens, only a few hours remain before the sun goes down. The current situation in the town is chaotic. People are skeptical, they don't know who they can trust or whom they should fear. From our observation, it seems the position of the main suspect remains the same - Asako, with James Rye a close second.

We do know that the remains of GrySun had been passed over to one of his successors, however, it is yet unclear who was to receive them. Could it be our main suspect Asako who still refuses to cooperate? Being given the burden of such power, we would expect her to fight for her survival more than that. Moreover, after yesterday's strange behavior that made the other villagers suspicious of Asako, the chance of GrySun leaving his heritage to her is low. My guess for Asako would be Mafia Escort.

We have a few citizens that claimed their stance until today:


Baka Taichou - Psychiatrist (Targetted JR night 1 with the result saying JR does have a secondary role)
Crescent Jinx - Noble
digitaldude - Mortician
James Rye - vanilla town with used up doctor secondary role (His Doctor secondary role was used on Lambu night 1)
MadNat - insane/paranoid detective (Likely received a guilty result for our confirmed loyal citizen Lambu)

A good amount of citizens have yet to express their feelings and thoughts about the matter. I believe our detectives and doctors are doing their best at protecting our village.

Signing off,

Olivia🫒 "
 

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alright seems all good now, ill head home and start checking out what happened
 

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you have my heart :wtf :wtf
although i should just kept my mouth shut .... just bc of this death miller discussion/topic :notrust
Yeah that was unfortunate, but well nothing we can do about it. I suggest you target CrescentJinx tonight to check if she is Town Noble or Mafia Noble.

Since you got Guilty on me, that means you are most likely Insane Det, which means any "Innocent" result you get from now on indicates Scum allignment. Only exception to this rule is Mafia Boss and Townie Lover(s), and its the reason you should not target James, if he's Townie Lover as I heavily suspect then your action would be wasted.

If they use Strongman on you none of this will matter, but at least lets force them to use one of their strongest assets to take you down. Doctor or ideally a Bodyguard should protect you without fail. My only regret is Sakura is exposed, lets hope they like the idea of her revealing James' status.
 

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Still reading up but James Doc Secondary? Is that even a thing? Also, I’d say we should have others with secondary role indicate now (if they exist). I suppose there’s a risk of recruitment etc but at least we would have narrowed down all potentials, and know where to look to on a no (or less?) kill night
 

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If you are Spirit Medium just say it so we can lynch DD safely
I always confuse those 2 roles so I just checked the rules.

Wouldn't spirit medium be OP with this mechanic? It basically a strong counter to mafia passing roles to their teammates, with 0 skill required to use?
 

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Still reading up but James Doc Secondary? Is that even a thing? Also, I’d say we should have others with secondary role indicate now (if they exist). I suppose there’s a risk of recruitment etc but at least we would have narrowed down all potentials, and know where to look to on a no (or less?) kill night
The fact that not a single player claimed having another temporary main role of sorts already exposes James as an oddity in the set up, exactly like the Townie SuperMason of last game. Honestly we cant go wrong with lynching him with the information we have available but he's most probably not a Mafia.

Still the fact he's exposed already ruined any possible Lover game.
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I always confuse those 2 roles so I just checked the rules.

Wouldn't spirit medium be OP with this mechanic? It basically a strong counter to mafia passing roles to their teammates, with 0 skill required to use?
Spirit Medium cannot target Dead Anti-town players, so its not broken.
 

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I always confuse those 2 roles so I just checked the rules.

Wouldn't spirit medium be OP with this mechanic? It basically a strong counter to mafia passing roles to their teammates, with 0 skill required to use?
But the hosts said that there are certain circumstances where the passing can be traced to somebody meaning there has to be a role that can tell who received a new role if used correctly. I already wrote in the thread last day phase that the SM should check with hosts if they can do that and if how. My guess is that SM can target a body since it is Prio 0 they get told the action performed by the dead body. After all nothing in the roles state that the passing cannot be seen by other roles. So it has to be possible to observe it. Either SM or Spy can trace actions and SM would be best suited for this kind of stuff compared to Spy.
 
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