One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

Sexist Bullshit

 

[Pirate Queen]

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Waste your time

 

[Nie Li]

Dude is KoL in disguise

Who?

 

[XXGenesis]

@BlackTiger You have some ludicrous ideas..Kool. But being rude…so not kool. Your asking to be banned chill out.

@Nie Li Lmao. Yo, KOL kills me with his Power scailing…Shit don’t be making no sense lol.

The major issue is that Oda used a petty, cheap hype tactic for Lucci. He made Luffy use G5. His new strongest form that he took on Kaido’s with to win….Its heavy handed hype;…I understand the narrative it put the story on…but G4 should/would have been enough for Yonkou Luffy to smack up Lucci for a bit.

Yes Lucci has always been speculated to be as strong as a Yonkou’s 1st Mate. Lucci awakening his Zoan DF is kool, it’s understandable. Lucci never landed a hit kool. But he did manage a even clash, shrug.

We get Weekly chapters of the story and breaks in between. As to why some events can be so controversial until the next few chapters….G5 obviously owns Lucci. Not a big fan of the combat of G5; G4 more than likely won’t be used anymore because it’s drawback…& G5 will just be the new standard.

 

[BlackTiger]

@BlackTiger You have some ludicrous ideas..Kool.

It's time people realize that anyone who cannot react to Snakeman like Kaido or anyone who is relative to Kaido in speed like Gear 5, admirals except Kizaru, Big Mom automatically need lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast Katakuri haki with their durability. Read the manga with 2 eyes open instead of 1 eye.

 

[LaGOAT]

It's time people realize that anyone who cannot react to Snakeman like Kaido or anyone who is relative to Kaido in speed like Gear 5, admirals except Kizaru, Big Mom automatically need lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast Katakuri haki with their durability. Read the manga with 2 eyes open instead of 1 eye.

U know luffy barely dodge kaido thunder
Bagua with FS. katakuri is getting the same treatment as pre rooftop luffy

 

[BlackTiger]

U know luffy barely don’t kaido even with FS. katakuri is getting the same treatment

Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy. If base Luffy dodged Thunder Bagua, much faster Katakuri with logia body can dodge thunder bagua with his eyes closed.

Snakeman Luffy humiliated Kaido to the point Kaido cannot use Thunder Bagua and Katakuri sclaes to Snakeman in speed. That what would happen if Kaido fights Katakuri. Kaido needs lucky shot or outlast Katakuri haki with his durability.

 

[LaGOAT]

Katakuri is much faster than base Luffy. If base Luffy dodged Thunder Bagua, much faster Katakuri with logia body can dodge thunder bagua with his eyes closed.

Snakeman Luffy humiliated Kaido to the point Kaido cannot use Thunder Bagua That what would happen if Kaido fights Katakuri. Kaido needs lucky shot or outlast Katakuri haki with his durability.

U know base luffy was keeping up with hybrid kaido also right?

 

[BlackTiger]

U know base luffy was keeping up with hybrid luffy also right?

Just show how slow hybrid Kaido was if base Luffy kept up with him speed wise. Base Luffy speed wise was not different than base Luffy in WCI so I don't see your point. Base Luffy in Wano was still slower than Katakuri. Which means if SNakeman Luffy blitzed Kaido so hard that Kaido cannot perform any of his attack, the same thing would happen if Katakuri fought Kaido. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast Katakuri with his durability.

 

[LaGOAT]

Just show how slow hybrid Kaido was if base Luffy kept up with him speed wise. Base Luffy speed wise was not different than base Luffy in WCI so I don't see your point. Base Luffy in Wano was still slower than Katakuri. Which means if SNakeman Luffy blitzed Kaido so hard that Kaido cannot perform any of his attack, the same thing would happen if Katakuri fought Kaido. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast Katakuri with his durability.

Lol except wano luffy>wci luffy lol that’s liking wci luffy=fish man island luffy in base lol wait are u saying katakuri can pull the same feats as luffy fight kaido?

 

[BlackTiger]

Lol except wano luffy>wci luffy lol that’s liking wci luffy=fish man island luffy lol wait are mig saying katakuri can beat kaido?

Yeah WCI Luffy<Wano Luffy in a sense that WCI Luffy did not have Future Sight while Wano Luffy had Future Sight. Wano Luffy who had Future Sight and Snakeman form=Katakuri in term of speed.

So if Wano Snakeman blitzed Kaido so hard that Kaido can't perform any of his attacks including Thunder Bagua, that means Katakuri would blitz Kaido as bad as Snakeman Luffy did. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast his haki by using his durability.

Kaido>Katakuri in overall power level but Katakuri is faster that's my opinion.

 

[LaGOAT]

Yeah WCI Luffy<Wano Luffy in a sense that WCI Luffy did not have Future Sight while Wano Luffy had Future Sight. Wano Luffy who had Future Sight and Snakeman form=Katakuri in term of speed.

So if Wano Snakeman blitzed Kaido so hard that Kaido can't perform any of his attacks including Thunder Bagua, that means Katakuri would blitz Kaido as bad as Snakeman Luffy did. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast his haki by using his durability.

Kaido>Katakuri in overall power level but Katakuri is faster that's my opinion.

Lol wci luffy had FS hence how he got it. U forgot that luffy trained for 2 weeks for kaido after getting clapped lol, wci snakeman blitz katakuri without him using FS. Luffy used snakeman plus FS to hit kaido also kaido isn’t a dodger he just like to take hits cause he confident in his durability hence why any1 can attack him

 

[Gallon]

Kaido is considerably faster than Katakuri. When Luffy achieved Future Sight, he was evading Katakuri's gatling blows while in base and with his eyes closed. A stronger version of Luffy got hit by Thunder Bagua despite his seeing it coming in advance.
In another case, Katakuri was still being hit from some Snakeman attacks despite being a much smaller target and using Future Sight, whereas a much bigger Kaido completely dodged Snakeman once he utilized Future Sight, turned into a fucking dragon, and hit Snakeman Luffy amid his barrage.

Kaido is faster, no contest. People take his taking blows to mean a lack of feats of speed, when Kaido's very fighting style is just standing there and taking blows because he likes it.
If Kaido had used Future Sight in his entire rooftop fights, he would have not been hit once until Luffy went Gear 4 Snakeman; you could argue for Yamato, but that's it.
Gear 5 obviously qualifies as well.

 

[BlackTiger]

Lol wci luffy had FS hence how he got it. U forgot that luffy trained for 2 weeks for kaido after getting clapped lol, wci snakeman blitz katakuri without him using FS. Luffy used snakeman plus FS to hit kaido also kaido isn’t a dodger he just like to take hits cause he confident on his durability hence why any1 can attack him

Here comes there are hidden panels of Luffy training his speed in udon part 92947397 when there are only panels of him training his armament. This is a dead argument based on nothing.

End of WCI Luffy = Wano Luffy in term of speed. Then Luffy trained his armament in Udon. Then he got power up CoC coating which boosts his attack power. He didn't get any speed boost. Speed wise end of WCI Snakeman Luffy=Wano Snakeman Luffy=Katakuri. Snakena blitzing Kaido means Katakuri would blitz kaido as hard as Snakeman.

WCI snakeman Luffy was using Future Sight. The way Snakeman was using his attacks in Wano was similar with how Snakeman was using his attacks in WCI and Kaido confirmed rooftop Snakeman was using Future Sight which means WCI Snakeman Luffy was also using Future Sight. This is a cope argument because you cannot admit that Kaido needs to struggle a lot to beat Katakuri.

Snakeman never blitzed Katakuri. Katakuri just didn't know Snakeman could bend his arm after Katakuri dodged his attack.

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Kaido is considerably faster than Katakuri. When Luffy achieved Future Sight, he was evading Katakuri's gatling blows while in base and with his eyes closed. A stronger version of Luffy got hit by Thunder Bagua despite his seeing it coming in advance.
In another case, Katakuri was still being hit from some Snakeman attacks despite being a much smaller target and using Future Sight, whereas a much bigger Kaido completely dodged Snakeman once he utilized Future Sight, turned into a fucking dragon, and hit Snakeman Luffy amid his barrage.

Kaido is faster, no contest. People take his taking blows to mean a lack of feats of speed, when Kaido's very fighting style is just standing there and taking blows because he likes it.
If Kaido had used Future Sight in his entire rooftop fights, he would have not been hit once until Luffy went Gear 4 Snakeman; you could argue for Yamato, but that's it.
Gear 5 obviously qualifies as well.

Kaido got blitzed by SNakeman. Katakuri kept up with Snakeman do the math.

It was base Luffy which was hit by Thunder Bagua. Snakeman Luffy humiliated Kaido so bad to the point Kaido can't perform any of his attacks which means Katakuri would blitz Kaido as well.

Katakuri completely dodged Snakeman outmaneuvering it. Luffy was using faster attacks like Black mamba against Katakuri on the other hand Luffy was using Jet Culverin against Kaido.

Kaido was trying to dodge Jet Culverin that's why he was using Thief Mode. What's the point of using Thief Mode if he wasn't trying to dodge Jet Culverin?

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kaido isn’t a dodger he just like to take hits cause he confident in his durability hence why any1 can attack him

Kaido was literally trying to dodge SNakeman that's why he was using Thief Mode.

 

[Gallon]

Kaido got blitzed by SNakeman. Katakuri kept up with Snakeman do the math.

It was base Luffy which was hit by Thunder Bagua. Snakeman Luffy humiliated Kaido so bad to the point Kaido can't perform any of his attacks which means Katakuri would blitz Kaido as well.

Katakuri completely dodged SNakeman outmaneuvering it. Luffy was using faster attacks like Black mamba on the other hand Luffy was using Jet CUlverin against Kaido.

1) Non-FS Kaido got outsped by G4 Snakeman Luffy.
FS Kaido blitzed Snakeman and even transformed into a dragon in between.

2) FS Katakuri matched Snakeman.
Non-FS Katakuri was virtually being outpaced by Boundman.

You're comparing a FS Katakuri with a non-FS Kaido, and are still not being convincing. FS Kaido absolutely trashes FS Katakuri.

 

[BlackTiger]

1) Non-FS Kaido got outsped by G4 Snakeman Luffy.
FS Kaido blitzed Snakeman and even transformed into a dragon in between.

FS katakuri also blitzed SNakeman. I think you forgot these panels

2) FS Katakuri matched Snakeman.
Non-FS Katakuri was virtually being outpaced by Boundman.

Look panels above Katakuri was dodging and blitzing Snakeman. Boundman never outpaced Katakuri. Boundman only overpowered Katakuri.

You're comparing a FS Katakuri with a non-FS Kaido, and are still not being convincing. FS Kaido absolutely trashes FS Katakuri.

FS Katakuri>>>>FS Kaido in speed.

Spoiler

Kaido could also use Future Sight in drunk mode. As long as Kaido is not using drunk mode, he needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast his haki by using his durability.

 

[Gallon]

My guy, did you just use Luffy's retracting arm to make a powerscaling point?
Oda gives no attention to what you are presenting.

A stronger Luffy got one-shot when not using Future Sight.
A stronger Luffy got hit by Thunder Bagua when using Future Sight.
A non-FS Kaido was going blow for blow with a FS G4 Luffy even when he could choose to dodge.
A FS Kaido immediately overpowered FS Snakeman Luffy.

Kaido is faster in portrayal and feats.
Katakuri is a better FS user, that is all.

Also, laughed at Kaido needing to be drunk. He can use Future Sight anytime, relax. He just copied Luffy's fighting style to show he can do whatever Luffy did; that was the point of his bending his dragon body as well.

 

[BlackTiger]

A stronger Luffy got one-shot when not using Future Sight.

Base Luffy which was much slower than Snakeman and that Luffy wasn't using Future Sight

A stronger Luffy got hit by Thunder Bagua when using Future Sight.

Base Luffy was much slower than Snakeman. Blitzing base Luffy is not a speed feat when Katakuri blitzed gear 2 Luffy.

Boundman Luffy was never using Future Sight against Thunder Bagua. Against Roaring Bagua in ch. 1042, Boundman Luffy wasn't calm since he was running out of time so he was rushing to Kaido to beat him as soon as possible meaning he wasn't calm and he cannot use Future Sight.

A non-FS Kaido was going blow for blow with a FS G4 Luffy even when he could choose to dodge.

Still got blitzed by Snakeman which scales to Katakuri speed wise. Kaido didn't try to dodge is headcannon. He dodged Red Hawk. Luffy Gear 3.

A FS Kaido immediately overpowered FS Snakeman Luffy.

He bit Luffy after Luffy pulled his arm and stretched his arm. Katakuri blitzed Luffy before Luffy could pull his arm. Katakuri was faster.

Katakuri is a better FS user, that is all.

Agree. Kaido could only use FS in drunk mode. Without drunk mode, he needs lucky shot or outlast Katakuri haki to hit him to eventually beat him.

Also, laughed at Kaido needing to be drunk. He can use Future Sight anytime, relax.

Then why couldn't Kaido dodge Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than SNakeman if he could use Future Sight all the time unless Kaido wasn't using Future Sight. He needed Thief Mode because that's the only way he could use Future Sight.

He just copied Luffy's fighting style to show he can do whatever Luffy did;

Because he cannot use Future Sight that's why he used Thief Mode. Without Thief Mode Kaido cannot use Future Sight.

that was the point of his bending his dragon body as well.

Kaido bent his body to copy Snakeman speed as well.

 

[Fox666]

You seem to assume Luffy did not get stronger or faster when he fought Kaido the second time

 

[BlackTiger]

You seem to assume Luffy did not get stronger or faster when he fought Kaido the second time

Where are these hidden panels of Luffy training his speed in Udon that I kept hearing about? Do you have access to Two Piece? In One Piece, after Udon he only got stronger in armament not in speed or durability.