One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[BlackTiger]

Marco only overwhelmed Prometheus; Big Mom could have used a haki-infused Napoleon to do damage. The Enel comparison is just ridiculous, because his entire arsenal suddenly became useless against Luffy. On the other hand, Big Mom lost a small portion of her arsenal.

Big Mom said she had no soul to use on Marco proving Marco df nullified her hommies. Enel comparison is valid. Big Mom homies were useless against Marco just like Enel df was useless against Luffy.

Blood on someone's face literally means nothing. Luffy's Red Roc made Kaido bleed, while multiple, CoC-infused punches to the face failed to convey the same damage, despite clearly being stronger. Relax, you're nitpicking.

There was no blood on Queen's face only on Marco's face.

Marco overwhelmed King in a direct 1-on-1, who is stronger than Queen. Make of that what you will.

And did 0 damage to King? While Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji, King solo Marco and trashed him around.

And nope, Marco always said he was there to buy time and stall King and Queen, because the lead actors were Zoro and Sanji. Mind you, this is a considerably nerfed Marco.

Never stated he was there to stall.

Never stated Marco was nerfed.

I agree he cannot beat King and Queen together, but a 1-on-1 was never the case.

King beat him solo and Marco cannot beat Queen.

The panel you showed clearly says Marco ran out of stamina,

Because King humiliated him trashing him around. He didn't bother to finish off Marco. Marco should thank King for that.

noting that he was tired from multitasking for tens of chapters - King did not overwhelm him, Marco ran out of fuel.

He ran out of fuel because he fought King solo. King made Marco run out of fuel and left Marco in the dust.

 

[Fox666]

What's the purpose of Kaku using swords if these swords don't make his attacks more lethal?

That's a good question, why Kaku was using 2 weapons that he threw away?

If you really want an explanation, it's safer to use swords than your hands against an opponent like Zoro who can cut steel, but Kaku fights better without them

Of course the real explanation is rule of cool

Jinbe got warlords clout.

Kid and Law got 3 b berries because WG perceived it that Luffy with Law and Kidd beat 2 yonko.

Had Luffy beat Kaido solo and Kidd and Law along with Bm weren't in Wano, Luffy bounty would be higher.

BB beat Wang ZHi as well and took WBP territories.

Luffy only beat Katakuri and Cracker and got 1.5 b berries. Zoro beat Apoo and King who ragdolled Marco and got 1.1 b berries.

There's levels to this.

So... bounties don't matter unless you want them to?

 

[Gallon]

Big Mom said she had no soul to use on Marco proving Marco df nullified her hommies. Enel comparison is valid. Big Mom homies were useless against Marco just like Enel df was useless against Luffy.



There was no blood on Queen's face only on Marco's face.



And did 0 damage to King? While Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji, King solo Marco and trashed him around.



Never stated he was there to stall.

Never stated Marco was nerfed.



King beat him solo and Marco cannot beat Queen.



Because King humiliated him trashing him around. He didn't bother to finish off Marco. Marco should thank King for that.


He ran out of fuel because he fought King solo. King made Marco run out of fuel and left Marco in the dust.

I should pay you to perform as a stand-up comedian.
Nah mate, Big Mom said she didn't have the souls to waste on Marco, as that would weaken her. Nothing remotely close to Enel's situation was the case.

King didn't trash Marco. Kaido came down from the roof, hit Marco on the head, and saved King. King has to thank his papa for saving his ass. My god, how don't you get it?

 

[BlackTiger]

That's a good question, why Kaku was using 2 weapons that he threw away?

If you really want an explanation, it's safer to use swords than your hands against an opponent like Zoro who can cut steel, but Kaku fights better without them

Of course the real explanation is rule of cool

No the swords are to make him stronger. To make him cool is desperate argument. Kaku stated giraffed df nerfed him and still pushed Zoro to use Ashura. Kaku>>Jyabura. Kaku with his swords was stringer than his giraffe form since he wasn't used to that df.

So... bounties don't matter unless you want them to

It's Oda who wanted then that way

I should pay you to perform as a stand-up comedian.
Nah mate, Big Mom said she didn't have the souls to waste on Marco, as that would weaken her. Nothing remotely close to Enel's situation was the case.

I think you should be the clown instead. Yeah because Marco df nullified her homies just like his df nullified Prometheus

King didn't trash Marco. Kaido came down from the roof, hit Marco on the head, and saved King. King has to thank his papa for saving his ass. My god, how don't you get it?

Yeah he did trash Marco. He made Marco run out of stamina and didn't finish him off. King basically spared him.

Marco should thanks Zoro for saving him from King. Without Zoro, King would rampage around and take the dignity Marco had left

 

[Gallon]

I think you should be the clown instead. Yeah because Marco df nullified her homies just like his df nullified Prometheus



Yeah he did trash Marco. He made Marco run out of stamina and didn't finish him off. King basically spared him.

Marco should thanks Zoro for saving him from King. Without Zoro, King would rampage around and take the dignity Marco had left

Oh, okay, I'll be the clown! Will you be the whole circus instead?
Nope, Marco's DF does not nullify Homies. It nullifies Prometheus' flame.
Nope, Marco ran out of fuel after keeping King and Queen busy, and the Ice Onis from spreading, for ages. King didn't defeat anyone.

 

[BlackTiger]

Oh, okay, I'll be the clown! Will you be the whole circus instead?
Nope, Marco's DF does not nullify Homies. It nullifies Prometheus' flame.
Nope, Marco ran out of fuel after keeping King and Queen busy, and the Ice Onis from spreading for ages. King didn't defeat anyone.

No I'll be the owner of circus so I own you. Yes it does. It nullified Prometheus a homie.

Nope Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji and only King was left with Marco you have no arguments for this

King beat Marco solo and expised him to be a fraud

 

[Gallon]

No I'll be the owner of circus so I own you. Yes it does. It nullified Prometheus a homie.

Nope Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji and only King was left with Marco you have no arguments for this

King beat Marco solo and expised him to be a fraud

I'll send you my bank account, transfer me the money and I'll sell the circus to you.
Bruh, it nullified Prometheus' FLAMES. Marco's FLAMES nullified other FLAMES, in a similar fashion to Akainu and Ace. Marco's ability has nothing to do with souls.
I'm talking about the multiple chapters in which Queen was fighting Marco alongside King and they were both unable to do jack shit.

 

[BlackTiger]

I'll send you my bank account, transfer me the money and I'll sell the circus to you.

You can't sell your own owner. I decide when you will be disposed or not.

You're the circus you dodged from who was fighting Marco when Queen was busy with Chopper.
Marco held back because his inteet was to stall what a clown argument. That's like saying Yamato held back against Kaido because her intent was to stale Kaido.
Marco was nerfed? ANother clown argument. You are the entire circus. Your arguments are jokes.

Bruh, it nullified Prometheus' FLAMES. Marco's FLAMES nullified other FLAMES, in a similar fashion to Akainu and Ace. Marco's ability has nothing to do with souls.

Headcannon. How did Marco damage other homies when haki cannot damage her homies if it weren't for Marco df advantage? It was never stated that Marco's df only countered Prometheus. Prometheus is a homie. If it worked on Prometheus, it worked on other homies.

I'm talking about the multiple chapters in which Queen was fighting Marco alongside King and they were both unable to do jack shit.

It was Marco who can't do jackshit to King and Queen. He can't damage either of them. Only for a short while then Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji. King was left alone with Marco. King smoked Marco making him run out of stamina. Fresh Marco won't make a difference. He wont still able to damage King. Fresh Marco would fare better and last longer but would still get smoked by Ryokugyu hypetool King.

 

[Gallon]

You can't sell your own owner. I decide when you will be disposed or not.

Shut up and kiss me already, my insecure love.

You're the circus you dodged from who was fighting Marco when Queen was busy with Chopper.
Marco held back because his inteet was to stall what a clown argument. That's like saying Yamato held back against Kaido because her intent was to stale Kaido.
Marco was nerfed? ANother clown argument. You are the entire circus. Your arguments are jokes.

Marco's intent was to stall because he knew he couldn't win a 1-on-2, you doofus. I never said he had the ability to but held back on purpose, you just chose to interpret it that way in order for it to fit your narrative.
Marco used his regenerating flames to heal everyone inside Onigashima. He was nerfed.

Headcannon. How did Marco damage other homies when haki cannot damage her homies if it weren't for Marco df advantage?

Haki cannot damage elemental homies, you Pennywise-looking doofus. Napoleon was being overwhelmed and damaged by Killer despite his using physical attacks and Haki only.
Prometheus and Zeus could not be harmed by normal means because they are made of fire and clouds; Marco overwhelmed fire with fire, literally.

It was Marco who can't do jackshit to King and Queen. He can't damage either of them. Only for a short while then Queen was busy with Chopper and Sanji. King was left alone with Marco. King smoked Marco making him run out of stamina. Fresh Marco won't make a difference. He wont still able to damage King. Fresh Marco would fare better and last longer but would still get smoked by Ryokugyu hypetool King.

Marco made Queen bleed while Queen didn't land a single hit. Queen screamed in pain and was being tossed around.
King tried to do something meaningful to Marco but was always outclassed as soon as it became a one-on-one. He only lost because he became tired of doing a million things at once, and you're claiming King beat him. Impeccable comprehension skills.

 

[BlackTiger]

Shut up and kiss me already, my insecure love.

No need to be butthurt because I own you badly in this debate. You can kiss my ass and keep being insecure.

Marco's intent was to stall because he knew he couldn't win a 1-on-2, you doofus. I never said he had the ability to but held back on purpose, you just chose to interpret it that way in order for it to fit your narrative.
Marco used his regenerating flames to heal everyone inside Onigashima. He was nerfed.

He's done with 1 on 1 and fought King solo dumbass and he lost. Stalling is a garbage argument that's like saying Yamato held back against Kaido because her intent was to stall Kaido.

Marco made Queen bleed while Queen didn't land a single hit. Queen screamed in pain and was being tossed around.
King tried to do something meaningful to Marco but was always outclassed as soon as it became a one-on-one. He only lost because he became tired of doing a million things at once, and you're claiming King beat him. Impeccable comprehension skills.

HC the flame used the samurai stamina not Marco own stamina clown.

Haki cannot damage elemental homies, you Pennywise-looking doofus. Napoleon was being overwhelmed and damaged by Killer despite his using physical attacks and Haki only.
Prometheus and Zeus could not be harmed by normal means because they are made of fire and clouds; Marco overwhelmed fire with fire, literally.

Marco damaged Zeus clown. Napoleon is solid metal clown. Learn the difference. marco could damage Zeus due to his df advantage damn circus.

Marco made Queen bleed while Queen didn't land a single hit. Queen screamed in pain and was being tossed around.
King tried to do something meaningful to Marco but was always outclassed as soon as it became a one-on-one. He only lost because he became tired of doing a million things at once, and you're claiming King beat him. Impeccable comprehension skills.

Marco sneak attacked Queen. Queen didn't have any damage in the next chapter.

That how weak Marco ap is all out and still cannot damage Queen. King exhausted Marco regen while Marco cannot do jackshit to King and Queen what a joke of a YC1 Marco is.

No he only lost because he is weaker than King. These tons of things never existed to begin with. It's your headcannon and coping to deny reality.

 

[Gallon]

No need to be butthurt because I own you badly in this debate. You can kiss my ass and keep being insecure.

Mate, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one being butthurt. Relax, you're losing your calm. It's okay to feel insecure, you just have to work on yourself and eventually overcome what holds you back. It's not easy, I know; everyone struggles with their own demons, but I believe in you.
I'd kiss your ass but that's going to a higher base immediately, and I don't work that way. My lips first, or nothing for you. We can work our way up (...or down?) if we click.

He's done with 1 on 1 and fought King solo dumbass and he lost. Stalling is a garbage argument that's like saying Yamato held back against Kaido because her intent was to stall Kaido.

Where did he lose in a direct battle? He ran out of energy after fighting multiple battles over tens of chapters.
...Yamato's intent was to stall Kaido, lol. She knew she couldn't win, just like Marco knew he couldn't win against King and Queen together.

HC the flame used the samurai stamina not Marco own stamina clown.

So Marco's using his powers to heal everyone did not cause him to use energy in any way?

Marco damaged Zeus clown. Napoleon is solid metal clown. Learn the difference. marco could damage Zeus due to his df advantage damn circus.

When did Marco damage Zeus? Show me.
Marco damaged Prometheus because of his flame advantage, nobody else.
Napoleon is a solid metal clown? No, you doofus - he's a sword!

Marco sneak attacked Queen. Queen didn't have any damage in the next chapter.

That how weak Marco ap is all out and still cannot damage Queen. King exhausted Marco regen while Marco cannot do jackshit to King and Queen what a joke of a YC1 Marco is.

No he only lost because he is weaker than King. These tons of things never existed to begin with. It's your headcannon and coping to deny reality.

Marco's stronger than King and Katakuri. King just didn't have the balls to 1v1 him until he became tired!

 

[BlackTiger]

Mate, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one being butthurt. Relax, you're losing your calm. It's okay to feel insecure, you just have to work on yourself and eventually overcome what holds you back. It's not easy, I know; everyone struggles with their own demons, but I believe in you.
I'd kiss your ass but that's going to a higher base immediately, and I don't work that way. My lips first, or nothing for you. We can work our way up (...or down?) if we click.

You're the one throwing insult first with stand up comedian. No need fo feel insecure when I humiliated you so bad you started to sound homosexual. I'm still straight and you started turning gay. It's okay life is not easy when you get bodied in online debate about fictional character.

Where did he lose in a direct battle? He ran out of energy after fighting multiple battles over tens of chapters.
...Yamato's intent was to stall Kaido, lol. She knew she couldn't win, just like Marco knew he couldn't win against King and Queen together.

King was fine no damage while Marco ran out of stamina with King didn't feel the need to finish him off. Marco lost to King solo. King spared him. Embarrassing what a joke of YC1.

What multiple battles? He fought Queen and King for a bit and did jackshit.

Nope Yamato went all out against Kaido just like Marco went all put against King and Marco then went all out against King sooo and lost.

So Marco's using his powers to heal everyone did not cause him to use energy in any way?

Where is this stated this nerfed Marco's stamina? The stamina used samurai's own stamina.

When did Marco damage Zeus? Show me.
Marco damaged Prometheus because of his flame advantage, nobody else.
Napoleon is a solid metal clown? No, you doofus - he's a sword!

Here Zeus is in the bandage.

Napoleon is solid metal retard. It can be touched thus teh reason why Killer can touch it. Zeus is elemental cannot be damaged even with haki. Marco could do it shows he has df advantage over BM homies.

Marco's stronger than King and Katakuri. King just didn't have the balls to 1v1 him until he became tired!

Nope he lost to King. Why would King play fair in a war? He didn't want Zoro to recover and still smoked him until Zoro unlocked advCoC.

Good you mentioned Katakuri so I can humiliate you more.

Marco and Vista combined cannot touch Katakuri while Katakuri can pummel Marco until his regen runs out.

The thing is you need FS+Snakeman speed to touch and beat Katakuri.
You need advCoC to damage and beat King.
You don't need either of those to beat Marco. Just pummel him until his regens run out.

WC Luffy can do that since he took Katakuri's punches for 10+ hours and he tanked advCoC from Kaido. Outlasting Marco is easy thing for Luffy to do. WCI Luffy without FS can outlast and beat Marco. Truth hurts I know.

 

[Gallon]

You're the one throwing insult first with stand up comedian. No need fo feel insecure when I humiliated you so bad you started to sound homosexual. I'm still straight and you started turning gay. It's okay life is not easy when you get bodied in online debate about fictional character.




King was fine no damage while Marco ran out of stamina with King didn't feel the need to finish him off. Marco lost to King solo. King spared him. Embarrassing what a joke of YC1.

What multiple battles? He fought Queen and King for a bit and did jackshit.

Nope Yamato went all out against Kaido just like Marco went all put against King and Marco then went all out against King sooo and lost.



Where is this stated this nerfed Marco's stamina? The stamina used samurai's own stamina.

Here Zeus is in the bandage.

Napoleon is solid metal retard. It can be touched thus teh reason why Killer can touch it. Zeus is elemental cannot be damaged even with haki. Marco could do it shows he has df advantage over BM homies.



Nope he lost to King. Why would King play fair in a war? He didn't want Zoro to recover and still smoked him until Zoro unlocked advCoC.

Good you mentioned Katakuri so I can humiliate you more.

Marco and Vista combined cannot touch Katakuri while Katakuri can pummel Marco until his regen runs out.

The thing is you need FS+Snakeman speed to touch and beat Katakuri.
You need advCoC to damage and beat King.
You don't need either of those to beat Marco. Just pummel him until his regens run out.

WC Luffy can do that since he took Katakuri's punches for 10+ hours and he tanked advCoC from Kaido. Outlasting Marco is easy thing for Luffy to do. WCI Luffy without FS can outlast and beat Marco. Truth hurts I know.

Waaaaaah, I'm bored of this. You've humiliated yourself far too much. I'll stop responding because I'm clearly curbstomping you in this argument. You're too easy.

My man posted a picture of Zeus not even participating in the battle and said Marco damaged him. There's zero evidence of that, especially when Big Mom beat him up for being a fuck-up.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Wth am I reading?

 

[Gallon]

Wth am I reading?

A black tiger professing his love to me.
God, I'd love to watch him receive a colonoscopy.

 

[albertwv]

Okay can we move on from this pointless redundant discussion of Marco and king or Kaku and Zolo

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Yes let's definitely move on from this and on to a new debate, where does post Wano Momo land power level wise?

When I think about it honestly Momo had the biggest power creep in a single arc of any character we've seen in OP. When Wano arc started Momo was better than the average child but any fodder adult could take him out in 1v1.

Now post Wano Momo has the following:

• An adult body that is super durable/strong and likely on its own comparable to YC level fighters body
  • Oda parallels adult Momo to Oden and lets not forget Oden physically endured being dragged by a ship, boiling oil etc. So Momo's body likely can really dish it and take it, Momo just lacks any fighting experience.
• Has innate haki abilities that gives him lots of room for short term growth
  • Momo seems to already use COO on his own and also seems to have VOAT. On top of that he has never been phased by CoC even when the likes of Kaido/Luffy clashed right in front of him. This implies Momo has a lot of will power despite behaving cowardly
• Momo is psychologically stronger now since he has faced the likes of Kaido as a kid. This gives him a sort of Coby like change where going forward we know even if they act childish/cowardly at any point things are serious they will come through. This kind of showed in how Momo handled Aramaki and Admiral with guts & determination.
• Has some swordsmen skills as we've seen him train. Now that he has a much stronger body he likely could take out most swordsmen in OP with a little training of his new physical strength.
• And last but most import of all, Momo has one of the most OP DF possible. Momo using the Dragon fruits powers can essentially:
  • Fly around at fast speeds
  • Lift things up to the size of Onigashima if needed using flame clouds. Since we've seen him do that once no reason to doubt he could do it again.
  • Has the ability to use Bolo Breath which is an insane attack that could wipe out citieis/armies in minutes. If he gets a direct hit on an opponent, only really strong fighters would get back up from this.
  • Has physical durability that is so strong that it would like take an advanced CoA or CoC user to do any serious damage. Think about how difficult it was to hurt Kaido because of the dragon scales. And since Momo is starting with a base physical body that is super strong his dragon form durability probably benefits.
  • Can likely learn the other base dragon abilities (wind & lighting attack) quickly with Yamato's coaching too, making him even more formidable

With that all in mind in a 1v1 do people think Momo would lose against Yonko Executives like P1/Ulti, Who's Who, Daifuku, Oven, etc? What about YC3 level fighters like Doffy, Cracker, Jack, etc?

I think Momo could high diff defeat most Yonko Executive level fighters in a 1v1. I think he would also still be a mid to high diff loss to YC3 fighters, which is still pretty impressive. What are other people's thoughts? Where do others place post Wano Momo's power level?

 

[Ricko]

Interesting matchup.

I think it depend of the type of fighter.
Against pure physical fighter, Momo will have the edge with his Dragon transformation and the terrible Boro breath.
He may be able to take a win face of a fighter like Jack.

But against cunning fighter like Doffy or Cracker, he just don't have the experience, as a child he would be overhelm by their strategy.

 

[kkck]

Wait a minute.

There is skill in fighting....What skill is there in punching?
For punching, physical strength and tekkai/haki is what matters....unless you are someone whose skill improve your striking power (like Luffy's rubber).

In this case, both are in base human form, and both their transformation are straight forward zoans. Punching power in their base is really just that

There's a ton of skill in punching. Even in real life you need to train to throw a punch and not end up with a broken wrist. Boxing is pretty much getting good at punching (and other stuff but mostly punching). In OP technique is insanely important and you are trying to make the case that jabura, whose bread and butter is mostly throwing punches, would get the same result as kaku, whose martial are is not throwing punches.

 

[Ricko]

Just think about Sai technique that can bypass defense. Or Killer sound technique too !!! Tekkai can't help against those martial art.