Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[Darklord#10]

Also Laxus used a POF asspull to even beat Wahl

Cancer suffering laxus>ajeel, lol

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Erza was the leader in the finale, meaning she was the strongest.

Show me where it was stated she was the leader and didn't laxus beat jura? What the hell is going on here

 

[Axiomus]

i have a better way. If Suzaku fights future villains, what kind prediction can we make?

Why on earth would we do this, instead of just judging him on the fights he already has? But okay, he beats anyone that isnt a god dragon, or doesnt have some sort of hax. If you have defense on the scale of FDK scales he does it mid diff. Anything less is a low diff or oneshot.

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Idc really care for who wins this debate but saying kirin is weaker than Misaki is pure cope. Why didn't Misaki say she's the strongest bdsk? Kirin doesn't even mention his spar with misaki against laxus. Lol at people thinking Misaki>kirin

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Damn what the hell is this? Some people really think Erza is way stronger than laxus. Sick laxus was about to no diff ajeel, Erza needed POF against ajeel.

See, this is what I mean. The people arguing for Erza here dont really believe that Misaki and Suzaku are on the same level. Ignoring how Misaki's magic actually works to argue that Misaki does over 3000x the damage of Suzaku doesnt make her equals with Suzaku and Kirin. It would make Misaki leagues above them both. Which is what Erza fans actually want to argue, because they also want to argue Erza is leagues stronger than Laxus. The problem is the manga disagrees. Laxus and Erza are near equals, with Laxus being slightly more durable.

 

[sharkai]

Technically it’s kinda hinted in the grand magic games Erza is stronger.

Laxus was considered stronger before the 7 year time skip after that it has always been Erza. For instance in the grand magic games, only the leaders of the 5 people team were the strongest. Jura, Kagura, Minerva,etc. Erza was the leader in the finale, meaning she was the strongest.

i missed all those hints. to me, it seems laxus and erza were playing around the same levels throughout. both were compared to natsu and were far stronger than him.
nowhere was laxus or erza stronger

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Why on earth would we do this, instead of just judging him on the fights he already has? But okay, he beats anyone that isnt a god dragon, or doesnt have some sort of hax. If you have defense on the scale of FDK scales he does it mid diff. Anything less is a low diff or oneshot.

because bad guys perform better in the start to build up hype. like ajeel vs team natsu or racer vs natsu and gray. erza lost to marin and then went out to overpower the strongest moves of the strongest sprinnggan and wrecking her. that is like losing to gmg miliana and then overpowering gmg jura most strongest move and wrecking him.

ah cowardly move to keep your self safe. you know if suzaku fights, he most likely wont get many panels.

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See, this is what I mean. The people arguing for Erza here dont really believe that Misaki and Suzaku are on the same level. Ignoring how Misaki's magic actually works to argue that Misaki does over 3000x the damage of Suzaku doesnt make her equals with Suzaku and Kirin. It would make Misaki leagues above them both. Which is what Erza fans actually want to argue, because they also want to argue Erza is leagues stronger than Laxus. The problem is the manga disagrees. Laxus and Erza are near equals, with Laxus being slightly more durable.

dude, you are the one claiming that casual no name strike of suzaku is stronger than anything kirin and his sparring partner has shown.
also for erza vs laxus part. you literally thought laxus didnt train before gmg, that is how erza starting closing the gap with him

 

[FireIce]

Haven't seen yet any argument for Erza that convinced me of voting for her.

 

[Axiomus]

because bad guys perform better in the start to build up hype. like ajeel vs team natsu or racer vs natsu and gray. erza lost to marin and then went out to overpower the strongest moves of the strongest sprinnggan and wrecking her. that is like losing to gmg miliana and then overpowering gmg jura most strongest move and wrecking him.

ah cowardly move to keep your self safe. you know if suzaku fights, he most likely wont get many panels.

dude, you are the one claiming that casual no name strike of suzaku is stronger than anything kirin and his sparring partner has shown.
also for erza vs laxus part. you literally thought laxus didnt train before gmg, that is how erza starting closing the gap with him

Didn't Suzaku become a good guy in the Dogramag arc? Still carried the spotlight. Carried Natsu against Dogramag. Why do I have to pretend this didn't happen?

I mean, yeah, Suzaku's feats in attack power are indeed better than anything Misaki and Kirin have shown. That's just a fact. Suzaku oneshotting Erza equals all the accumulated damage Misaki dealt to Erza. I'm willing to give Kirin the benefit of the doubt cuz he was said to be the strongest, lost to his own power, and claimed he held back. That doesn't extend to Misaki. Being Kirin's sparring partner means is nothing compared to making Selene admit her human form. The latter is just better.

I said Erza closed the gap with second origin, and that the training Laxus did in those 3 months couldn't possibly be as good as doubling your MP reserves.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Cancer suffering laxus>ajeel, lol

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Show me where it was stated she was the leader and didn't laxus beat jura? What the hell is going on here

It was hinted the leader was Erza. Laxus may have beaten jura however doesn’t automatically make you the strongest. Erza never used her second origin until the finale. During the entire grand magic games it was tenrou Erza. Also the s class monster was stated to be on the level of a ten wizard saint. Then it was stated to to increase its power 3x fold if it became the last monster. Also while Erza was weakened and low on magic power.
Then Erza was still holding back her second origin.

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Why on earth would we do this, instead of just judging him on the fights he already has? But okay, he beats anyone that isnt a god dragon, or doesnt have some sort of hax. If you have defense on the scale of FDK scales he does it mid diff. Anything less is a low diff or oneshot.

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See, this is what I mean. The people arguing for Erza here dont really believe that Misaki and Suzaku are on the same level. Ignoring how Misaki's magic actually works to argue that Misaki does over 3000x the damage of Suzaku doesnt make her equals with Suzaku and Kirin. It would make Misaki leagues above them both. Which is what Erza fans actually want to argue, because they also want to argue Erza is leagues stronger than Laxus. The problem is the manga disagrees. Laxus and Erza are near equals, with Laxus being slightly more durable.

I honestly don’t see how laxus being more durable. For majority of the original series people have stated laxus was a league above Erza and could take her and mirajane at the same time. In fact on another post someone stated laxus could take Erza Mirajane and Gray with his lightning dragon king power up. People claimed laxus was stronger before the power up and now on a whole other than Erza all together.

Anyways it’s clear Erza is literally the most durable person in the guild. When they fought Erza took WAY more damage than laxus. And the fight was pushed to a double ko. She tanked laxus’ every red lightning attack and only went down cause she was exhausted and low on magic power. The only good hit Erza got on laxus ( and laxus tanked)was the fire ice blades and that only made him stronger.
Even against Misaki, she tanked 5 hours worth of damage. I don’t even think laxus could tank that. Miskai did more damage in 5 seconds what laxus couldn’t do using his full power constantly attacker her.

 

[sharkai]

Didn't Suzaku become a good guy in the Dogramag arc? Still carried the spotlight. Carried Natsu against Dogramag. Why do I have to pretend this didn't happen?

I mean, yeah, Suzaku's feats in attack power are indeed better than anything Misaki and Kirin have shown. That's just a fact. Suzaku oneshotting Erza equals all the accumulated damage Misaki dealt to Erza. I'm willing to give Kirin the benefit of the doubt cuz he was said to be the strongest, lost to his own power, and claimed he held back. That doesn't extend to Misaki. Being Kirin's sparring partner means is nothing compared to making Selene admit her human form. The latter is just better.

I said Erza closed the gap with second origin, and that the training Laxus did in those 3 months couldn't possibly be as good as doubling your MP reserves.

so, how can you say for certain, suzaku feats against Dogramag are better than Misaki feats against erza. Why are ignoring Dogramag is weaker than Selene? and Selene and Ignia are equal, retconning all Suzaku Selene feats.

No its not a fact. Racer beat the crap out of natsu and gray, then its a fact that racer would have stomped natsu and gray again at the end OS arc. It doesnt work like that. Suzaku showed he can one shot Kiria tier, by taking out that erza and natsu, nothing more. I told you that this is hype phase, nothing more. and you were busy analysing his sword movement (as if mishma gives a damn)

You are giving way to much weight to irrelevant past bad guys.
you should also give benefit of doubt to erza opponent. she normally never fights the weakest. erza had just tied with laxus. laxus and erza opponent arent gonna be that far apart. it was mentioned that they sparred as well, and we dont know who won. and Selene called Kirin the contender for the strongest, not the strongest. and their mp was compared. and you want us to believe its Suzaku near Kirin not Misaki, seriously?
I dont know why you people have to go so far just to dehype the bejesus out of erza opponents.


SO is exactly equal to three months training. that is why natsu, gray and gajeel were still comparable.

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Even against Misaki, she tanked 5 hours worth of damage. I don’t even think laxus could tank that. Miskai did more damage in 5 seconds what laxus couldn’t do using his full power constantly attacker her.

Valid point. She did alot more damage in seconds compared to laxus

 

[Garmadooon]

The S class monster of grand magic games is a fodder and without feats like Jose Hyberion and Wolfheim so it's not an argument the "class S wizard level Wizard Saint". She is equal to Laxus yes but not better and you have to stop saying that she held back in her fight, she exhausted all her magic and released enchantments that are better than Nakagami and Lightning armor.
So when Laxus says Erza is "holding back" you believe him but when Selene says Suzaku is better than his human form you say it's a lie when history shows us it's true.

 

[sharkai]

The S class monster of grand magic games is a fodder and without feats like Jose Hyberion and Wolfheim so it's not an argument the "class S wizard level Wizard Saint". She is equal to Laxus yes but not better and you have to stop saying that she held back in her fight, she exhausted all her magic and released enchantments that are better than Nakagami and Lightning armor.
So when Laxus says Erza is "holding back" you believe him but when Selene says Suzaku is better than his human form you say it's a lie when history shows us it's true.

Seriously man?
Laxus said stop holding back. and then we see both of them being equal. Laxus strongest move got canceled by erza move. but we should ignore this?

But selene thing is important. after all Selene is above Dogramag and equal to Ignia. Suzaku feats against Selene definitely proves this lol.
Lets hope laxus doesnt come across ignia. Because ignia is gonna get his a$$ kicked so bad. after all kirin is above Suzaku and laxus beat him. Human ignia is gonna be fodder tier soon

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The S class monster of grand magic games is a fodder and without feats like Jose Hyberion and Wolfheim so it's not an argument the "class S wizard level Wizard Saint".

that is an argument. Mishma clearly showing where tenrou erza stood

 

[Garmadooon]

Seriously man?
Laxus said stop holding back. and then we see both of them being equal. Laxus strongest move got canceled by erza move. but we should ignore this?

But selene thing is important. after all Selene is above Dogramag and equal to Ignia. Suzaku feats against Selene definitely proves this lol.
Lets hope laxus doesnt come across ignia. Because ignia is gonna get his a$$ kicked so bad. after all kirin is above Suzaku and laxus beat him. Human ignia is gonna be fodder tier soon

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that is an argument. Mishma clearly showing where tenrou erza stood

I never said Erza wasn't Wizard Saint level. And yes if Human Ignia loses to Laxus I will call him fodder because Ignia and Selene are hyped to be Acno levels (Human Acno >>>>>>>>> Laxus). I don't understand how people can say Suzaku is Kirin's fodder just because he lost to Dogra. Who says Kirin would have done better?

 

[Darklord#10]

Anyways it’s clear Erza is literally the most durable person in the guild.

No she's not. Natsu got impaled all over the place by aldoron and was okay and still fighting, his entire knee cap was blown apart. He fucked his hands up against zeref and still fought acnologia. Natsu is by far the most durable person. He literally ate etherion

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Erza fanboys are suffering from what I call main character syndrome. Some of them think she's the MC. You could have natsu 1v1 ignia and they'll still say Erza is stronger than him. Erza just must be the strongest better than everyone in the guild even gildarts. She must even be stronger than acnologia. She's so powerful that she could no diff all the dragon gods and solo the verse

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I dont know why you people have to go so far just to dehype the bejesus out of erza opponents.

She's so strong that she has to hold back if not she'll just blitz everyone in the series so we have to nerf her to human level,

 

[Axiomus]

so, how can you say for certain, suzaku feats against Dogramag are better than Misaki feats against erza. Why are ignoring Dogramag is weaker than Selene? and Selene and Ignia are equal, retconning all Suzaku Selene feats.

No its not a fact. Racer beat the crap out of natsu and gray, then its a fact that racer would have stomped natsu and gray again at the end OS arc. It doesnt work like that. Suzaku showed he can one shot Kiria tier, by taking out that erza and natsu, nothing more. I told you that this is hype phase, nothing more. and you were busy analysing his sword movement (as if mishma gives a damn)

You are giving way to much weight to irrelevant past bad guys.
you should also give benefit of doubt to erza opponent. she normally never fights the weakest. erza had just tied with laxus. laxus and erza opponent arent gonna be that far apart. it was mentioned that they sparred as well, and we dont know who won. and Selene called Kirin the contender for the strongest, not the strongest. and their mp was compared. and you want us to believe its Suzaku near Kirin not Misaki, seriously?
I dont know why you people have to go so far just to dehype the bejesus out of erza opponents.


SO is exactly equal to three months training. that is why natsu, gray and gajeel were still comparable.

Dogramag just has less MP than Selene. His magic makes his rock and skin unbreakable, which give his human form better durable than Selene's human form. Ignia is stronger than Selene.

Yeah, it is a fact that Suzaku's feats are better. No, it's not a fact that Racer would have stomped Natsu and Gray again...because he lost the rematch to Gray and Lyon. Tell me where Suzaku loses a rematch. I give Kirin the benefit of the doubt because Selene and himself say he's the strongest. I don't give Misaki the benefit of the doubt of being stronger than Suzaku because Selene saying that she's no match for Suzaku is objectively better hype than Misaki saying that she only got serious sparring Kirin. Frankly, if it wasn't for the statements about Kirin being the strongest, Suzaku would be the strongest by feats.

Except Natsu and Gajeel weren't comparable. Rogue flat out said that Gajeel wasn't on Natsu's level. It wasn't until Gajeel obtained ISD that he obtained a form equal to Natsu's LFD, and by the end of the Tartaros arc we were shown that DF is much better than LFD.

 

[sharkai]

I never said Erza wasn't Wizard Saint level. And yes if Human Ignia loses to Laxus I will call him fodder because Ignia and Selene are hyped to be Acno levels (Human Acno >>>>>>>>> Laxus). I don't understand how people can say Suzaku is Kirin's fodder just because he lost to Dogra. Who says Kirin would have done better?

kirin would have done better or the same. since he is one of the stongest.
the point is, if selene is indeed equal to ignia (and they are equal to aconologia) then suzaku aint beating Selene. that is why that feat and statement are wrong

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Dogramag just has less MP than Selene. His magic makes his rock and skin unbreakable, which give his human form better durable than Selene's human form.

with this we can easily say tenrou gajeel with his iron skin has much better durability than tenrou gildart. great
i sometimes think you are kid or just read this one or two chapter of fairy tail. to think Mishma is gonna think this much about power levels and expect us to follow, in manga with nakamas.

Yeah, it is a fact that Suzaku's feats are better. No, it's not a fact that Racer would have stomped Natsu and Gray again...because he lost the rematch to Gray and Lyon.

so racer went from stomping natsu and gray to losing to gray and lyon. and Suzaku went from one shotting natsu to drawing with him?

i give Kirin the benefit of the doubt because Selene and himself say he's the strongest. I don't give Misaki the benefit of the doubt of being stronger than Suzaku because Selene saying that she's no match for Suzaku is objectively better hype than Misaki saying that she only got serious sparring Kirin. Frankly, if it wasn't for the statements about Kirin being the strongest, Suzaku would be the strongest by feats.

Suzaku wont be strongest, he would be on a whole different level. Like elfman and gildarts
Selene is equal to Ignia, we have already seen it. atleast what ignia has shown, he get stalemated in human and dragon form by selene. (in the future ignia might show more).

From those statement are you gonna predict that laxus, kirin or suzaku will solo human ignia?
or if selene is so weak, why wont she get beaten by Misaki as well

From mishma statement, do you think, Kirin and Misaki are around each other. or do you think mishma want us to think kirin and Suzaku are around each other?

Except Natsu and Gajeel weren't comparable. Rogue flat out said that Gajeel wasn't on Natsu's level. It wasn't until Gajeel obtained ISD that he obtained a form equal to Natsu's LFD, and by the end of the Tartaros arc we were shown that DF is much better than LFD.

misleading again.
Tenrou (approx)
Base natsu= Base gajeel=base gray

GMG (approx)
Base natsu= Base gajeel=base gray
lfd natsu = sid gajeel > base gray

 

[Darklord#10]

kirin would have done better or the same. since he is one of the stongest.
the point is, if selene is indeed equal to ignia (and they are equal to aconologia) then suzaku aint beating Selene. that is why that feat and statement are wrong

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with this we can easily say tenrou gajeel with his iron skin has much better durability than tenrou gildart. great
i sometimes think you are kid or just read this one or two chapter of fairy tail. to think Mishma is gonna think this much about power levels and expect us to follow, in manga with nakamas.



so racer went from stomping natsu and gray to losing to gray and lyon. and Suzaku went from one shotting natsu to drawing with him?


Suzaku wont be strongest, he would be on a whole different level. Like elfman and gildarts
Selene is equal to Ignia, we have already seen it. atleast what ignia has shown, he get stalemated in human and dragon form by selene. (in the future ignia might show more).

From those statement are you gonna predict that laxus, kirin or suzaku will solo human ignia?
or if selene is so weak, why wont she get beaten by Misaki as well

From mishma statement, do you think, Kirin and Misaki are around each other. or do you think mishma want us to think kirin and misaki are around each other?



misleading again.
Tenrou (approx)
Base natsu= Base gajeel=base gray

GMG (approx)
Base natsu= Base gajeel=base gray
lfd natsu = sid gajeel > base gray

Don't worry queen nakama will just solo ignia. She's the strongest after all

 

[sharkai]

Don't worry queen nakama will just solo ignia. She's the strongest after all

you mean laxus? I thought he was man

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Feats remain feats. You talk like Suzaku would be One Shot Material for Serious Human Selene or Serious Kirin/Misaki.
No because we have feats to say that the defense of x784 Gildarts >>>> Tenrou Gajeel
x784 Gildarts survived to Dragon Acno soloed Bluenote and low diff Base Natsu while Base Gajeel was extreme diff by Base Natsu low diff by Laxus and struggle against Yomazu/Kawazu.
Suzaku was going to win high diff but Ignia came to save Natsu with Fire.
We have no evidence to say that Human Selene >= Human Ignia we just saw their dragon form in combat. "Ignia get stalemated in human and dragon form by Selene." WHAT ??? Selene inflicted very minor damage on him how can you say that??

no they dont. Racer defeated Natsu and gray. yet racer got more feats and we saw his true standing. same for Suzaku, who went from one shotting natsu to ,according to you high diffing natsu. Villians normally have less screan time thus less feats. for example look at gmg jura durabilty, you will barely find it. why? because majority of the fight was off screen. August also doesnt have any durability feat

the second point is for dograma to have better physical stats than selene. if rocks can give better durablity than why is poor gajeel left out. maybe selene has better durablity

we have evidence that selene is around ignia (current showing) ignia wasnt stomping her. even kirin showed better against laxus (kirin had upper hand) than ignia vs selene (seems equal till igina sneaked attack)


just tell me, is selene that weak compared to ignia and aconologia? or is she around them? if she is around them, and we know kirin >=Suzaku. laxus indeed can give good fight to ignia. would you agree with this?

 

[Axiomus]

Gildarts no sold the secret art that knocked out Laxus, and beat Bluenote. So no, not below Gajeel in durability. Simply put, Gildarts is tougher than iron.

I mean, this isn't complicated. This is a thread about Erza vs Suzaku. We've already seen this fight. Suzaku won. If you want to convince me that the result will be different this time, Erza has to do things more impressive than what Suzaku is doing. Problem is, Suzaku has been the MVP of the past 2 arcs. He was the most impressive person against Selene, and he was the most impressive person against Dogramag.

Suzaku still had Natsu overpowered. He went from oneshotting base Natsu to overpowering FDK Natsu with dragon scales. There's a case to be made that the FDK scales provide defenses equal to DF Natsu.

If I were judging things purely by feats, then absolutely Suzaku would above Kirin and Misaki. But I'm not. I'm willing to accept the statement about Kirin being the strongest at face value. I'm willing to that the BSDK being are on Suzaku's level too, when all the effects of their magic are accounted for. Much like I do with the Spriggans being on the same level when their powers are accounted for. What I'm not willing accept is hyping Misaki to be above Suzaku purely on the basis she sparred Kirin, because beating Selene is simply better hype than that.

Ignia wrecked Selene in dragon form. I can't speak to his human form, but if he's anything like Natsu when he beat Mercphobia....then he wrecks her human form too.

Rogue flat out said Gajeel wasn't on Natsu's level. I'll agree that ISD is on par with LFD. It still doesn't put Gajeel on the par with Natsu, because the strongest version of Natsu after second origin is DF Natsu. You give Natsu second origin, and now he's at a level where he can trigger DF when he goes all out. You give Gajeel 3 months of training and....he's stuck at base Gajeel level unless he gains an additional power-up.

 

[sharkai]

Gildarts no sold the secret art that knocked out Laxus, and beat Bluenote. So no, not below Gajeel in durability. Simply put, Gildarts is tougher than iron.

so why isnt poor selene stronger than rock?

I mean, this isn't complicated. This is a thread about Erza vs Suzaku. We've already seen this fight. Suzaku won. If you want to convince me that the result will be different this time, Erza has to do things more impressive than what Suzaku is doing. Problem is, Suzaku has been the MVP of the past 2 arcs. He was the most impressive person against Selene, and he was the most impressive person against Dogramag.

Suzaku still had Natsu overpowered. He went from oneshotting base Natsu to overpowering FDK Natsu with dragon scales. There's a case to be made that the FDK scales provide defenses equal to DF Natsu.

If I were judging things purely by feats, then absolutely Suzaku would above Kirin and Misaki. But I'm not. I'm willing to accept the statement about Kirin being the strongest at face value. I'm willing to that the BSDK being are on Suzaku's level too, when all the effects of their magic are accounted for. Much like I do with the Spriggans being on the same level when their powers are accounted for. What I'm not willing accept is hyping Misaki to be above Suzaku purely on the basis she sparred Kirin, because beating Selene is simply better hype than that.

that is perfectly fine. But again i ask you, who do you think is near kirin, based on mishma statements?

Ignia wrecked Selene in dragon form. I can't speak to his human form, but if he's anything like Natsu when he beat Mercphobia....then he wrecks her human form too.

no, he sneaked attacked her. before the sneak attack, how was that fight? is selene that weak? if she is that weak, can misaki and kirin also beat her, in her human form.

Rogue flat out said Gajeel wasn't on Natsu's level. I'll agree that ISD is on par with LFD. It still doesn't put Gajeel on the par with Natsu, because the strongest version of Natsu after second origin is DF Natsu. You give Natsu second origin, and now he's at a level where he can trigger DF when he goes all out. You give Gajeel 3 months of training and....he's stuck at base Gajeel level unless he gains an additional power-up.

again misleading. natsu already had an additional power up in lfd. once gajeel got sid, they were around each other again. but why ae we making this complicated. simple does gmg gray beat gmg base gajeel?

tenrou arc and gmg arc showed no change power hierarchy between these three. or anywhere else for that matter

 

[Garmadooon]

you mean laxus? I thought he was man

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no they dont. Racer defeated Natsu and gray. yet racer got more feats and we saw his true standing. same for Suzaku, who went from one shotting natsu to ,according to you high diffing natsu. Villians normally have less screan time thus less feats. for example look at gmg jura durabilty, you will barely find it. why? because majority of the fight was off screen. August also doesnt have any durability feat

the second point is for dograma to have better physical stats than selene. if rocks can give better durablity than why is poor gajeel left out. maybe selene has better durablity

we have evidence that selene is around ignia (current showing) ignia wasnt stomping her. even kirin showed better against laxus (kirin had upper hand) than ignia vs selene (seems equal till igina sneaked attack)


just tell me, is selene that weak compared to ignia and aconologia? or is she around them? if she is around them, and we know kirin >=Suzaku. laxus indeed can give good fight to ignia. would you agree with this?

For me even though I consider Selene's MP comparable to Acnologia, the way she lost every time makes me think she will lose to him. If you want she can give him a high diff fight but she will lose. Sorry but the way Hiro treated his character makes me doubt about her fight level. It's no excuse to say that Ignia took it on if Selene is so strong she has to tank or dodge that Roar. Igneel and Acnologia would have NEVER been pierced by this Roar even if they weren't careful. Do you really think if Selene would have taken Ignia by surprise with a Roar he would have been One Shotted?

 

[Darklord#10]

you mean laxus? I thought he was man

No Erza is the main character obviously and she's the one. Ignia wants to test himself he should fight queen nakama power he'll surely have a good time and she'll light up the world in flames

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For me even though I consider Selene's MP comparable to Acnologia, the way she lost every time makes me think she will lose to him. If you want she can give him a high diff fight but she will lose. Sorry but the way Hiro treated his character makes me doubt about her fight level. It's no excuse to say that Ignia took it on if Selene is so strong she has to tank or dodge that Roar. Igneel and Acnologia would have NEVER been pierced by this Roar even if they weren't careful. Do you really think if Selene would have taken Ignia by surprise with a Roar he would have been One Shotted?

Lol no need to prove ignia>selene. Igneel was able to dodge acnologia's roar he did a 360 and he was thinking about natsu and acnologia is stronger than igneel. Also selene tried to sneak attack ignia but he reacted accordingly

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Oh mashima how can you create this character that's so strong that she has to hold back all the time, she doesn't even use her full power against enemies, she's just unbeatable. How can this be fair against everyone in the verse, they're so below her that we have to just nerf her so others can compete

 

[Garmadooon]

No Erza is the main character obviously and she's the one. Ignia wants to test himself he should fight queen nakama power he'll surely have a good time and she'll light up the world in flames

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Lol no need to prove ignia>selene. Igneel was able to dodge acnologia's roar he did a 360 and he was thinking about natsu and acnologia is stronger than igneel. Also selene tried to sneak attack ignia but he reacted accordingly

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Oh mashima how can you create this character that's so strong that she has to hold back all the time, she doesn't even use her full power against enemies, she's just unbeatable. How can this be fair against everyone in the verse, they're so below her that we have to just nerf her so others can compete

I know there's nothing left to prove, don't worry. But people who go out of their way to glorify Human Selene at Human Ignia level to demean Suzaku to Haku level because of the Dogramag fight are dumb. It's just excuses used to say that their favorite character is going to stomp Suzaku.