Tower of God Chapter 563 Spoilers & Discussion

[Big-Bird]

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@Demonspeed veuillez épingler

 

[King Dryst]

There’s nothing to prove that the twins are even strong. If they were they would have taken care of Endorsi themselves but instead choose the weasel move and had her fight Kaiser! Who knows how many times they tricked their enemies into the NHS before!

I'd attribute that one to Maschenny. She ideally wanted to rope Androssi in as a member of the little stable of Regular Princesses she's cultivating, and must have figured that letting her stew at Name Hunt Station for a good while would have eventually worn down her resistance to the idea. At that point, why shouldn't the twins prefer to use a servant to do servant's work?

It's obvious Maschenny had a direct eye on what was going on there, because she knew that Yuri was sitting outside the Train to call her pocket.

 

[kkck]

The point is, what actually happens in a situation where Baam can't create another bang because he reached his limit ? If he has no problem handling multiple bangs at once and administrators don't give him a limited quantity ?
Also we have 0 cases of Rankers being unable of acting as wave controllers, since we know Rankers can use every position. Everywhere we look there seem to be a correlation between physical strength and shinsu power, of varying degree obviously but a correlation nonetheless.

Since when can all rankers fill every position? That's definitely not true. Rankers over time develop a varied set of skills but that's very different from being effective at all positions. Heck, consider the nest battle... How many lightbearer rankers were at the battle? Spearbearers? Very few iirc. It's important to note that positions are primarily for hunting shineuh, outside of that they are rather murky.

As for what happens when bam can't make another bang.... nothing? he simply can't make another bang. Administrators have never restricted him on this, however many bangs bam can create and use at a time is simply a factor of his skill at a given time.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I'd attribute that one to Maschenny. She ideally wanted to rope Androssi in as a member of the little stable of Regular Princesses she's cultivating, and must have figured that letting her stew at Name Hunt Station for a good while would have eventually worn down her resistance to the idea. At that point, why shouldn't the twins prefer to use a servant to do servant's work?

It's obvious Maschenny had a direct eye on what was going on there, because she knew that Yuri was sitting outside the Train to call her pocket.

Hell no! Lol there was no mention it was Mas’ idea. Mas would not concern herself with petty issues. The twins are pissed Endorsi is a princess with no GF lineage.

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Lol Mas was visiting Repelista right before Yuri came and got the ticket for the hell train! Pretty sure Mas gave Repelista the ticket, they’ve been using Yuri

 

[sazon]

Canon : Z princess receive Z's power.
Since when Z's power is limited to physical ability ?
Not to mention that this assumption is retarded.

Can you prove that there is something beyond physical growth after receiving zahard's blood? Do you have it in the webtoon? Do you have a blog post?

You can come up with a thousand theories, theory is theory, Yuri may go out launching planet in the next chapter because of Zahard's blood, until then, it's just your theory.

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Guys, saying that it's possible that they have something else makes sense. But there is no proof of this, no princess to date has shown anything other than physical drive and SIU has never mentioned anything else.

"ain they received the power of zahard, not the strength" pure semantics, this is not an argument.

Y ' all need to stop this craze of shitting rule based on theory.

Speculation: receive boosts or even receive zahard's shinsoo quality.

Fact: physical boost

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There’s nothing to prove that the twins are even strong. If they were they would have taken care of Endorsi themselves but instead choose the weasel move and had her fight Kaiser! Who knows how many times they tricked their enemies into the NHS before!

But NHS was probably Maschenny's doing, her using GA as a bet with Yuri even raises flags about it.

She could draw Anak even if Kaiser failed.

Why is she interested in regular princesses who are far from becoming rankers? God only knows.

 

[hblock]

Can you prove that there is something beyond physical growth after receiving zahard's blood? Do you have it in the morning? Do you have a blog post?

Season 1, chapter 33, Z princesses gain Z power , not physical power.
Heck, even if this statement never existed, it defies common sens to think otherwise. There's no way physical ability is the only thing that's buffed via blood injection.

 

[sazon]

Season 1, chapter 33, Z princesses gain Z power , not physical power.
Heck, even if this statement never existed, it defies common sens to think otherwise. There's no way physical ability is the only thing that's buffed via blood injection.

And it still hasn't been confirmed.

It can defy 40 million common sense, it's not a fact. Deal with it.

 

[O_n_Sly]

But NHS was probably Maschenny's doing, her using GA as a bet with Yuri even raises flags about it.

She could draw Anak even if Kaiser failed.

Why is she interested in regular princesses who are far from becoming rankers? God only knows.

Lmao. That bet happened after the events at the NHS had already concluded. Yuri was the reason Baam went to the NHS lol. He needed to prove to her that he was ready for the FoD! Mas didn’t know Baam was going to be there lol and she didn’t setup the petty beef lol.

 

[hblock]

And it still hasn't been confirmed.

As long as you didn't prove that it doesn't buff physical ability alone. We stuck to the abvious which is an overall massive boost of all stats.

 

[King Dryst]

Why is she interested in regular princesses who are far from becoming rankers? God only knows.

There are places where only Regulars can operate. Name Hunt Station itself is an example of that. If a Ranker wants to be able to have reach into those places, skilled Regulars are needed. FUG and Wingtree both keep them in their organizations for similar reasons. Maschenny wants the best tools available and barring being able to get her hands on a Baam (this might have been the longer game agenda driving her to make a play for Androssi), the Princesses are the best to be had.

Besides, cultivating and helping these girls as Regulars translates into them owing her favors as Rankers.

And now I'm done with this subject. I feel like @Cinera right now and it's uncomfortable.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Since when can all rankers fill every position? That's definitely not true. Rankers over time develop a varied set of skills but that's very different from being effective at all positions. Heck, consider the nest battle... How many lightbearer rankers were at the battle? Spearbearers? Very few iirc. It's important to note that positions are primarily for hunting shineuh, outside of that they are rather murky.

As for what happens when bam can't make another bang.... nothing? he simply can't make another bang. Administrators have never restricted him on this, however many bangs bam can create and use at a time is simply a factor of his skill at a given time.

I checked from the wiki, reporting a Q&A from SIU (old from 2011), you are partially right apparently in the sense that not every Ranker can cover any position, but he responds to a question regarding Hansung. They asked him if he was a wave controller, he responded yes, but because he was close to High Ranker lvl he could effectively cover any position. So, bad Rankers can't apparently, but what does it mean ? Pam isn't Ranker lvl as light bearer for example and effectively useless in a Ranker battle or it means that an average f rank Regular light bearer is better than him at "light bearing" ? i think it's obviously the first one. Because if it wasn't true everyone who comes close to High Ranker level goes from 0 to 100 and auto learns every other position ?
SIU basically said, at some point, growing power and skill everyone can fill every position. So it can't exist a case of a person having stats so skewed one way or the other, the correlation persists.

 

[Ignorant]

My brotherz:

is not that “Not great families princesses or adopted princesses” are better than Great families princesses
They are just better than shillial and lilial Lo Po Bia

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Wtf is this new “serpent master”? im
Hollering on the floor

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[Turtle hunter]

Welp, and also because pretty early in the story we were specifically told zahard's power increased their physical prowess thousands of times. As I said, I don't rule out it doing more but at the moment there's not that much evidence of that.

So how does this statement means that they don't a boost overall ? You do understand that saying that they body get far stronger doesn't mean that they other attribute are not enhanced .

I don't want to be clear so please answer this question , Zahard who is know to be a genius in all area when is blood is to someone else is the only who has transfer only a boost in they body among all other 10 GW ?

Yuri's shinsoo affinities are unclear as of now. Given her pedigree odds are she has multiple of them going on at a given time. Imagine the absurdity of a prime ha princess not having the shinsoo attributes the ha family are known for. It's obviously not as showy but it's extremely likely that in the end yuri's primary asset in battle is her reinforcement.

I mean i don't want to be mean , but what you was true , she would have used the so called hidden ability that you seems to imply far before . Maybe when Karaka was threatening the regular that she like or when Kallavan was going after Baam ? Ha family are know for they body and they strong reinforcement , everything else seems like cope to me . There is no mention of a common shinsoo attributes linked to the ha family .

I don't know every time Yuri faced difficult situation she never used her so called hidden shinsoo attributes but either used 13 months or her rose shower . You obviously wrong .

What about Maschenny who is know for her lighting spear or data maschenny whose strongest attack was a shinsoo electric one , does she also has a hidden physical ability , you can speak about the pill , but in the end her best ability was a thunder coming from the sky .

I don't see why we keep denying that shinsoo isn't everything in TOG , even Kallavan use powerful shinsoo blast , and all his best move are around powerful shinsoo blast .

Karaka's reaction to taking a punch from yuri was more or less "holy crap I am going to die". I am not sure of what you mean by yuri not being able to touch karaka. Karaka literally inflicted zero damage through that fight. Not figuratively, literally zero damage. Yuri's health bar at the start of that battle was the same at the end of the battle.

Please stay on the point , most of this point is irrelevant to my point , that when Karaka used his darkness ability , all Yuri physical ability were nullified and she said it herself , i don't know why you try to deny this .

You can say Karaka holy crap i am going to die , which by the way he didn't say , but Karaka died because of Yuri rose shower , which show that her shinsoo ability are far more impressive than her physical ability .

What do you also ignore my point about Zahard best skill ? They were shinsoo skill or his weapon .

So please answer why would Zahard best skill , his ability to use not be boosted , but secondary aspect like body be reinforced .

You own logic is flawed if really jahad princess received only a boost in they body , and it became way stronger but not they shinsoo , then they physical ability would be far stronger than they shinsoo ability .

But everything prove you wrong . Maschenny is know for her lighting spear and her strongest attack is a thunder , Yuri who is herself know for her physical ability , her strongest attack is shinsoo based and zahard they father best skill are shinsoo based . It seems evident that you are wrong .

As for the bold part.... no? An exceptionally strong physical body is something which the story so far has framed as one of the choice things to have for fights. For context, take kallavan's first fight with white at the wall of coexistence. White at this point was at least stronger than conventional rankers, probably in the low end of high rankers (and not even that low). And even then kallavan simply took his attacks without using any shinsoo reinforcement whatsover. As in, kallavan's unreinforced bare body is so absurdly powerful it can eat attacks from high rankers. Another instance to consider: Kallavan vs jinsung. Jinsung prepares his ultimate floral butterfly (one of the strongest forms of shinsoo control and reverse flow control in the story so far), kallavan eats it (presumably he was using his own reinforcement here though) and he still walks it off simply because he is that tough (and in fairness because killing high rankers is tricky at this point).

Nope in TOG all that matter is you ability to manipulate shinsoo , even you body alone doesn't matter because you body hardness is linked to you know what ? shinsoo reinforcement . The reason why Kallavan is so strong is because is monstruous body is powered by powerful shinsoo reinforcement . I also don't think you have any evidence of when of when Kallavan used reinforcement . I mean you are simply wrong , Kallavan best ability are bombers and reverse bombers , literally shinsoo explosion .

I keep proving that even physical beast when pushed to they limit rely on they shinsoo ability . If princess relied mostly on they body they wouldn't be that relevant .

Men , even other HR , White relies on shinsoo , Yama on shinsoo and even irregular .

We are this far , people should get that shinsoo is everything in TOG .

Of course, reinforcement is important here but how this works is that your innate physical strength stacks with your reinforcement. It's not the case that reinforcement > physical strength, that's plain nonsense. if anything, the series has consistently shown that those with exceptionally strong bodies are difficult to deal with for wave control types of all people.

I mean i won't say i know much about this stuff , but i don't think you can prove what you just said , if you think you are right , give a percentage of how much percentage shinsoo reinforcement play in you physical prowess . We know that you shinsoo ability is directly linked to you shinsoo ability which grow with time , which mean that you shinsoo reinforcement evolve with time . Kallavan wasn't hr , but when he got that essence thing he instantly became one according to jinsung , reinforcement is obviously very important .

That coca dude with Lero lero didn't have any confidence in jumping from high a place without shinsoo reinforcement , and he was tied to Androssi when he didn't use reinforcement , a literally regular and even lost , when we know that he would destroy her physically if he had access to reinforcement or maybe you want to deny the fact that coca dude would destroy Androssi physically with reinforcement . Another example ? Baam is average physically but depending power and shinsoo he draw from himself he can fight HR , top 300 or even ranker just physically , which show how important shinsoo reinforcement .

The series has never made the point that you need a strong body to hold or control shinsoo. Start of season 2 bam could hold control 4-5 bangs and use pretty strong reinforcement, putting him ahead of almost every regular at the time, and his body was still pretty much as durable as wet paper (by tower standards). Shinsoo is not stored in the body for fights. Heck, the only fighter in the story so far to store shinsoo anywhere is bam via the loops and even then he doesn't store it in his body.

This is obviously wrong , it is common sense , that there is limit to the amount of shinsoo you can use . It is funny that you use , because he is literally what demonstrate my point , you also use the common wrong trope that Baam body is weak , maybe only at season one , but baam body was beak ONLY compared to is shinsoo ability . We literally had a whole arc that disprove you point , where Baam body didn't have enough endurance or couldn't carry the power that the shinsoo the torn gave him and he kept fainting . Baam main problem is that he can't draw enough power from the torn because his body isn't strong enough .

Obviously you shinsoo ability correlate with you physical ability .

If the torn worked on Rachel and she used at the same extent Baam did , her body would crumble down .

I love the world building and random bits of information we got through SIU's blog posts. If you are used to read battle shonen of course you'd think that Zahard Blood boost most of their stats.

I did as well and I have always wanted to know the specifics. But Data Zahard gave a very specific number against Maschenny and didn't only talk about durability. He said that their bodies are stronger.

Plus we have more evidence that it boosts their physical stats overall in the story with Baam saying that it's hard to keep up running with Androssi when he isn't using Shinsoo when they were running away from Karaka for example. It's the only other example I have in mind right now but I am sure I can find more if I reread.

When I get precise information like that I stick to the facts. Surely you don't believe that it gives them 10000 times the Shinsoo Control, Resistance, weapon mastery of an average person, in addition to Golden Needle Shinsoo as well? Or that it allows them to reach Irregular tier?

Because it would be beyond ridiculous especially since he doesn't pick average joes to begin with. So, unless we learn more, with what we have heard, I have no reason to believe that it boosts everything else. Especially when we know what is Zahard's main trait. If we are following our headcanons in discussions we won't go anywhere.

I mean the fact are wrong , zahard blood don't make you body 10000 stronger , i doubt that it make they body even 100 stronger , 10 stronger sounds about right . Ran and Yihwa are talent comparable to pre jahad blood princess and they body are incredible hard , hard enough to fight a half jahad princess , what you guys try to imply is simply isn't true . Jahad princess already had ridicoulous body , and jahad blood reinforce that .

The fact that they were able to punch a hole in a building and after jahad blood they can destroy whole building sound properly absurd .

What is Zahard main traits ? His body ? What are zahard best attack ? They were certainly not linked to his body , his best attack outside of his word were cosmos or his needle .

every GF family are know for they shinsoo ability , ha for they body and reinforcement , koon for electricity , LPB for they anima .

Shinsoo is everything and not physical ability .

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Can you prove that there is something beyond physical growth after receiving zahard's blood? Do you have it in the webtoon? Do you have a blog post?

Yeah i can , you know how logic function right ? So normally you should understand my basic argument .

If by you own admission Zahard blood make Zahard princess body 10000 or even far stronger then they shinsoo ability should be heavily skewed toward physical ability and they shinsoo ability should be far negligeable or at least quite weak compared to her body and EVERYTHING disprove and show that they shinsoo ability is actually they best attributes .

Yuri best attributes is rose shower , Maschenny is know for ligthing spear and her best attack is a thunder . Zahard himself best move are cosmos shinsoo explosion .

 

[O_n_Sly]

So on a side note, I believe Tiara was locked up prior to this infiltration and Matte is her prison guard! He definitely is strong for a R - all of Gustang’s generals have poles!!!

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if she was indeed in prison then she must of met Hwa Ryun during the 3hr rotations.

 

[kkck]

I checked from the wiki, reporting a Q&A from SIU (old from 2011), you are partially right apparently in the sense that not every Ranker can cover any position, but he responds to a question regarding Hansung. They asked him if he was a wave controller, he responded yes, but because he was close to High Ranker lvl he could effectively cover any position. So, bad Rankers can't apparently, but what does it mean ? Pam isn't Ranker lvl as light bearer for example and effectively useless in a Ranker battle or it means that an average f rank Regular light bearer is better than him at "light bearing" ? i think it's obviously the first one. Because if it wasn't true everyone who comes close to High Ranker level goes from 0 to 100 and auto learns every other position ?
SIU basically said, at some point, growing power and skill everyone can fill every position. So it can't exist a case of a person having stats so skewed one way or the other, the correlation persists.

Welp, different rankers will have varying degrees of skill in different things. So it's more like "it depends". Could YHS function as a fisherman in some situations? Probably. Could YHS function as a fisherman again cheonhee? Maybe for like 10 seconds until she chokes the life out of him. evankhel made the point she sucked at spearbearing but she still threw the ancient spear at khel hellam with aguero's support.

 

[Turtle hunter]

HR can fill most all or most position but they obviously have strength and weakness . They can deal with most situation with area where they don't specialize with , Hansung was superior to Ren in anima ability when it wasn't his specialization , i am also wlling to bet he would also destroy him physically .

The same way a nba basketball player could fill most position but he would have his strength and weakness .

 

[O_n_Sly]

I doubt White could perform well as a Wave controller or spear-bearer or light bearer

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EVK said she was horrible with aiming but once AA provided the coordinates she was flawless

 

[sazon]

Yeah i can , you know how logic function right ? So normally you should understand my basic argument .

If by you own admission Zahard blood make Zahard princess body 10000 or even far stronger then they shinsoo ability should be heavily skewed toward physical ability and they shinsoo ability should be far negligeable or at least quite weak compared to her body and EVERYTHING disprove and show that they shinsoo ability is actually they best attributes .

Yuri best attributes is rose shower , Maschenny is know for ligthing spear and her best attack is a thunder . Zahard himself best move are cosmos shinsoo explosion .

You keep saying the same thing.

Ramble all you want, there is NO EVIDENCE that zahard's blood does anything other than increase the physical capacity of princesses' BODY.

Absolutely NOTHING was ever mentioned saying they get increased shinsoo skills, booster or anything like that.

Including, Shinsoo reinforcement is a separate skill, Yuri, for having won the genetic lottery of the Ha family and having the blood of zahard continued extremely strong in the DF even without being able to use shinsoo.


"Ah, but common sense"

"ah, but logic"

"ah, but it makes sense"

As I said, Sunday Yuri can appear releasing cosmos, supernovae, the entire galaxy, until this moment, chapter 563, there is no claim that princesses gain anything other than reinforcement in their bodily features.

Do you want to theorize, debate and speculate on top of that? Quiet, I myself think the idea is super valid. Now, shitting the rule and kicking everyone's ass like it's a fait accompli in history makes no logical sense to me.

We already have a Sly, we don't need more

 

[Turtle hunter]

You keep saying the same thing.

Ramble all you want, there is NO EVIDENCE that zahard's blood does anything other than increase the physical capacity of princesses' BODY.

Absolutely NOTHING was ever mentioned saying they get increased shinsoo skills, booster or anything like that.

Including, Shinsoo reinforcement is a separate skill, Yuri, for having won the genetic lottery of the Ha family and having the blood of zahard continued extremely strong in the DF even without being able to use shinsoo.


"Ah, but common sense"

"ah, but logic"

"ah, but it makes sense"

As I said, Sunday Yuri can appear releasing cosmos, supernovae, the entire galaxy, until this moment, chapter 563, there is no claim that princesses gain anything other than reinforcement in their bodily features.

Do you want to theorize, debate and speculate on top of that? Quiet, I myself think the idea is super valid. Now, shitting the rule and kicking everyone's ass like it's a fait accompli in history makes no logical sense to me.

We already have a Sly, we don't need more

You do realize that the burden of proof is on you right ? You guys are the one making the nonsensical claim that zahard blood only boost princess physical stat .

It is funny that you asked for proof and i gave you one and now you refuse with the simple argument i made . So let me play you little please show anywhere where SIU , the blogpost or the manwha where it is said zahard princess physical ability are the only being enhanced and not other aspect .

You won't , because you can't .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

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[Orbs2op]

Even with all the talk of him attaining a knowledge/lust that was improper for him?

SC was all snek too, and yet he could turn into an acceptable human figure. You think it's impossible for SS to have had this same ability at some point?

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Well, this opinion ignores a few things:

1. Whether you see a need or not, it WAS shaped like a person.
2. Why would a shinheuh need to be motivated to act? That's how a PERSON is, not a wild animal.
3. SS was spoken of as having attained knowledge above its animal station. That hints to a human intellect/desire.
4. The person you reference speaking to SS isn't talking about THEIR Laura being taken away, but SS's Laura.
5. In what way do they sound like they are "in a daze?"

They sound daze/confused cause of the way they are speaking, there is no reason for a shinheuh to take the form of a person to give orders to itself? Or talk to someone, why?

Why would trau need to implant fake memories in a beast when he can just order it? Your telling me that snake is stronger than Levi will? they said trau promised something, why order bam to take lilial mom? Unless it's to make the sea snake take action? Look at the warning her mother got she knew it was trap, imo it's obvious that the snake is linked to her not trau.

could it be a snake sure or it could be like ren just blast away the snakes or insects and the user is revealed simple.

The snake charmer had similar powers no? Is he also 100% shinheuh too?

One last thing the snake said it wanted to kill bam for taking Lilia mother no? Trau is not ordering bam death, unless he already knows bam can win, which I doubt since zamzam showed to protect bam from ren, zamzam was worried about using the sea snake for the test because of lilial mother capture,