Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[FireIce]

Tired and worn out from her fight with Yoko. Natsu also lost and guess what happened the second time around lol.

Base Natsu < Erza in the status quo therefore Suzaku = Base Natsu < Erza.

Stop claiming that Natsu was in base against Suzaku. He used the Fire Dragon King's scales and attacked Suzaku with Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fist. Natsu yelling FDK Mode is just him covering himself with FDK flames. It doesn't make him any stronger than without it.

Erza isn't Natsu and can't replicate his feats at all.

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What happened in the story was Erza surpassing a BDSK with stronger magical power than Suzaku's lmao.

You have zero proof that Misaki has stronger than magic power than Suzaku. He has never flexed his MP in front of anyone but Selene, who would obviously not be impressed as she has Acno level MP.

 

[Jko]

Natsu was still oneshot material. He just developed a special counter for Suzaku.

It'll be the same case with Erza, but she won't have anything to stop herself from getting destroyed

He didn't develop anything special for Suzaku. He literally just did what he did against Sting.

She beat a BDSK while handicapped lmao. Suzaku couldn't stop Base Natsu who is canonically weaker than Erza. Yet he is going to put down a superior opponent.

Proof they can stop suzaku from breathing. If they can't keep quiet. Suzaku can last up to 20 seconds without oxygen. Show proof that erza and misaki can stop him from breathing. If this was Erza or natsu y'all would have hyped the fucking shit out of both of them but because it's not them it's suzaku that's why y'all are doing this. Remember when Eileen wankers said dragon Eileen paw swipe one shots august? Lol okay suzaku took a legit stomp right in his face.

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I dare anyone who thinks misaki is stronger than suzaku to show me proof that
a) Misaki is stronger than nerfed dogramag
b) that she can make ko suzaku.
Bring shitsaki's feats let's compare

She doesn't have too. And holding your breath for twenty seconds isn't hard. Kagura did that shit when she dragged Jellal out of the ocean lol. She beat a BDSK who no sold RL level attack. Last I checked RL is above a normal FDK Demo-fist in the pecking order of power.

Dragon have superior physicals to humans. If August tried to tank a direct attack for Irene's ohysical strength in Dragon form then he would be fucked.

Suzaku isn't stronger than nerfed Dorgamag. He had to rely on Natsu to finish it and Natsu was the one who was in the fight for the majority of it. I see no reason any BDSK worth their salt couldn't replicate what Suzaku did.

Suzaku doesn't stomp. He couldn't even stomp Base Natsu.

Stop claiming that Natsu was in base against Suzaku. He used the Fire Dragon King's scales and attacked Suzaku with Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fist. Natsu yelling FDK Mode is just him covering himself with FDK flames. It doesn't make him any stronger than without it.

Erza isn't Natsu and can't replicate his feats at all.

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You have zero proof that Misaki has stronger than magic power than Suzaku. He has never flexed his MP in front of anyone but Selene, who would obviously not be impressed as she has Acno level MP.

He was Base. Unless you can show me he was in FDKM by him stating like everytime he used the form. FDK Demo-fist was blocked by Madmole who was oneshotted by Base Laxus. That's Natsu entering a mode. He can use FDK in Base as shown against everyone he used in on in Base.

Misaki was compared to Laxus and Gildarts tier MP by Gray. Suzaku wasn't. Heck no one was even surprised about his MP in the first place lol. He flexed his full power against Natsu and used an attack against a weakened Erza. No one was scared of his MP ever.

 

[Shoutmon]

He didn't develop anything special for Suzaku. He literally just did what he did against Sting.

She beat a BDSK while handicapped lmao. Suzaku couldn't stop Base Natsu who is canonically weaker than Erza. Yet he is going to put down a superior opponent.

Not sure what you're talking about. Natsu's FDK scales debuted in that fight.

She extreme-diffed someone in Suzaku's tier (specifically a hax user) and collapsed afterwards. Suzaku had to deal with Natsu's scales and the environment, and still had the upperhand before Ignia interrupted the fight.

He's just gonna thrash Erza again like he did in Elentir lol

 

[FireIce]

He was Base. Unless you can show me he was in FDKM by him stating like everytime he used the form. FDK Demo-fist was blocked by Madmole who was oneshotted by Base Laxus. That's Natsu entering a mode. He can use FDK in Base as shown against everyone he used in on in Base.

Misaki was compared to Laxus and Gildarts tier MP by Gray. Suzaku wasn't. Heck no one was even surprised about his MP in the first place lol. He flexed his full power against Natsu and used an attack against a weakened Erza. No one was scared of his MP ever.

Natsu has never yelled FDK mode in any of his fights kn the sequel.

Give me scans of Suzaku flexing his power against Natsu.

 

[Sevently]

Until you can prove that Erza can destroy the labyrinth walls there's zilch chance she's beating suzaku. Prove that Misaki hits hard as nerfed dogramag. If you can't prove that then just keep quiet. This is starting to get ridiculous to me. Why do we ignore feats? Do feats not matter? So all someone has to do to be strong is get statement and that's all? Look you have to proof that Misaki is stronger than nerfed dogramag or else Erza isn't winning shit

First of all, I never said that Misaki was stronger than Suzaku, they are both on the same tier, just like Erza and Laxus are on the same tier. A fight between Suzaku and Misaki could go either way. Your only argument is that he was able to destroy the wall? Erza didn't even get a chance to try to destroy it, she only fought in the blue dimension.

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George folds Eileen and august combined. Everyday of the week. He literally slayed the dragons and gave them to the dragon eaters.

I didn't mention Georg at any point. Georg is as featless as the dragons he slayed. He may be stronger than August and Eileen or may not be. We will never know as Mashima didn't care about him.

Suzaku was not stated as being above the other BDSK in the same way that August and Eileen were stated way superior to the other Spriggans.

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Show prove that Misaki can deal this amount of damage to suzaku. She got KO'd by a random human while suzaku survived even after not being able to breathe or move. Lmao. You want to ignore feats, then we shall ignore gildarts level MP

Show proove that Suzaku can counter Blue dimension.

 

[Jko]

First of all, I never said that Misaki was stronger than Suzaku, they are both on the same tier, just like Erza and Laxus are on the same tier. A fight between Suzaku and Misaki could go either way. Your only argument is that he was able to destroy the wall? Erza didn't even get a chance to try to destroy it, she only fought in the blue dimension.

I didn't mention Georg at any point. Georg is as featless as the dragons he slayed. He may be stronger than August and Eileen or may not be. We will never know as Mashima didn't care about him.

Suzaku was not stated as being above the other BDSK in the same way that August and Eileen were stated way superior to the other Spriggans.



Show proove that Suzaku can counter Blue dimension.

He only destroyed a nerfed to shit Dorgamag's wall that was stated to be weaker to cutting then blunt damage at that. I can't believe they are acting like that was a major feat lmao.

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Not sure what you're talking about. Natsu's FDK scales debuted in that fight.

She extreme-diffed someone in Suzaku's tier (specifically a hax user) and collapsed afterwards. Suzaku had to deal with Natsu's scales and the environment, and still had the upperhand before Ignia interrupted the fight.

He's just gonna thrash Erza again like he did in Elentir lol

He didn't. Scales were an attribute of Dragon Slayer magic since the first chapter.

Only extremed diffed bcs she had 5 hours of BDSK damage before they aftually fought..She then oneshotted after Blumen Blatt failed. If she used Meteor Blade from the get go then Misaki would have done in one go. Similar to Laxus versus Kirin after Laxus got a power up.

How did Suzaku have the upperhand? Natsu did nowhere near close to his strongest attack while Suzaku used his and Natsu flat out tanked it with his barehands lmao.

You mean a weakened Erza who was off guard while he was at least tripled his normal power level? Why are you acting like he beat a healthy on guard Erza. It was fluke as shown when he couldn't even beat Natsu with his strongest attack.

 

[FireIce]

It's not possible to claim that Erza was off guard against Suzaku when he literally warned Team Natsu about his upcoming attack. Erza reacted to his strike, her sword broke and she was taken out in one hit. This alone made Erza call Suzaku "powerful beyond reason".

 

[Shoutmon]

He didn't. Scales were an attribute of Dragon Slayer magic since the first chapter.

Only extremed diffed bcs she had 5 hours of BDSK damage before they aftually fought..She then oneshotted after Blumen Blatt failed. If she used Meteor Blade from the get go then Misaki would have done in one go. Similar to Laxus versus Kirin after Laxus got a power up.

How did Suzaku have the upperhand? Natsu did nowhere near close to his strongest attack while Suzaku used his and Natsu flat out tanked it with his barehands lmao.

You mean a weakened Erza who was off guard while he was at least tripled his normal power level? Why are you acting like he beat a healthy on guard Erza. It was fluke as shown when he couldn't even beat Natsu with his strongest attack.

yes, and FDK scales are massively amped and can tank stuff that would oneshot Natsu otherwise.

Kinda weird to count the damage that Misaki inflicted on Erza as a handicap. If the latter could take that and go on to defeat her, then that really just speaks volumes of Misaki's offense and defense, and nothing else. Meanwhile, Suzaku oneshotted Erza and then Natsu.

Natsu then later on had to manually amp his defenses and brace himself for every single one of Suzaku's attacks using his FDK powers, and even then got cut up pretty bad. There's no way that Erza's just gonna tank those attacks without any problems, in fact she'll probably just get oneshotted again.

Suzaku tanked Natsu's demo fist and almost killed him with his counterattack (which didn't seem to drain him much, if at all). He had to put all his power into defense just to survive it, but didn't once put Suzaku in such a predicament during their fight.

A oneshot was a oneshot. Erza wasn't even portrayed to be tired at that point + we've seen that coming right off a battle doesn't mean anything. Just look at Natsu vs Gajeel and later Wraith.

Unless Erza was shown to be affected from the previous fight (which she wasn't) then any prior battle damage and fatigue can be ignored

 

[Garmadooon]

Suzaku's downplay He survived Ignia's attack which is>>>>>Meteor Blade. He cutted Selene and Nerfed Dogra's attacks which are >>>> Meteor Blade. And for those who say Suzaku didn't have any comments about his strength he did. Gray called him "dangerous", Erza called him "strong". I said many times that Natsu in his FDKM mode but of course you still gonna say it's "Base Natsu" Misaki is just a hax User and CQC fighter like Haku is. When I hear bullshit like freaking Wendy or Gajeel can face Suzaku it pisses me off.


The fact that she is "tired" against Yoko is not a good excuse when: 1) She got shitted out by Yoko in the first round. Which means her feats against Irene are just PIS and Plot Armor 2) She needed Eileen's enchantment to win against Yoko in an extreme diff. With such a boost she cannot be "tired".

 

[Jko]

yes, and FDK scales are massively amped and can tank stuff that would oneshot Natsu otherwise.

Kinda weird to count the damage that Misaki inflicted on Erza as a handicap. If the latter could take that and go on to defeat her, then that really just speaks volumes of Misaki's offense and defense, and nothing else. Meanwhile, Suzaku oneshotted Erza and then Natsu.

Natsu then later on had to manually amp his defenses and brace himself for every single one of Suzaku's attacks using his FDK powers, and even then got cut up pretty bad. There's no way that Erza's just gonna tank those attacks without any problems, in fact she'll probably just get oneshotted again.

Suzaku tanked Natsu's demo fist and almost killed him with his counterattack (which didn't seem to drain him much, if at all). He had to put all his power into defense just to survive it, but didn't once put Suzaku in such a predicament during their fight.

A oneshot was a oneshot. Erza wasn't even portrayed to be tired at that point + we've seen that coming right off a battle doesn't mean anything. Just look at Natsu vs Gajeel and later Wraith.

Unless Erza was shown to be affected from the previous fight (which she wasn't) then any prior battle damage and fatigue can be ignored

They don't massively amp anything. He was able to block it barefisted without the protection of his flames. So blocking with his flames is equal to him concentrating lol.

So if DiMaria beat the crap out of you in timestop then undid time and the fought you outside of timestop, you wouldn't count that as a handicap? I'm not saying Misaki didn't fight fair. I'm saying when it got the real part of the fight Erza was already severely damaged. The fact she could still fight and total Misaki despite that is a massive feat.

Something all mages do. Not impressive. Yeah she is since Erza > Base Natsu in all aspect. Especially when Erza is known to be the biggest tank (excluding PoF or DF Natsu) in the guild. Erza tanked RL hits. RL hits > Suzaku's slices as they were only on par with Base FDK attacks.

Erza was. This literally happens soon after the Yoko fight which Erza says she's exhausted from the armor she used. It isn't a oneshot when the opponent is already beat and severely weakened beforehand.

It can't be ignored like at all. This is the same thing that happened in Neinheart fight. You are just being willfully ignorant of the Erza's condition before that encounter. Natsu got back his magic power after Beta Heaven. He was totaled by Wraith in the first place bcs he was magically exhausted. After he got his MP back in Beta Heaven, he literally foddered Wraith with his barefists lol.

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He literally told her as he begun to swing. She didn't even have her weapon out so she was in fact off guard. That's like if Mike Tyson befriending then turns around and tells you he's going to punch a split second before he does it.

 

[Shoutmon]

They don't massively amp anything. He was able to block it barefisted without the protection of his flames. So blocking with his flames is equal to him concentrating lol.

So if DiMaria beat the crap out of you in timestop then undid time and the fought you outside of timestop, you wouldn't count that as a handicap? I'm not saying Misaki didn't fight fair. I'm saying when it got the real part of the fight Erza was already severely damaged. The fact she could still fight and total Misaki despite that is a massive feat.

Something all mages do. Not impressive. Yeah she is since Erza > Base Natsu in all aspect. Especially when Erza is known to be the biggest tank (excluding PoF or DF Natsu) in the guild. Erza tanked RL hits. RL hits > Suzaku's slices as they were only on par with Base FDK attacks.

Erza was. This literally happens soon after the Yoko fight which Erza says she's exhausted from the armor she used. It isn't a oneshot when the opponent is already beat and severely weakened beforehand.

It can't be ignored like at all. This is the same thing that happened in Neinheart fight. You are just being willfully ignorant of the Erza's condition before that encounter. Natsu got back his magic power after Beta Heaven. He was totaled by Wraith in the first place bcs he was magically exhausted. After he got his MP back in Beta Heaven, he literally foddered Wraith with his barefists lol.

They do massively amp his defenses cause they cover his skin with scales. Do you think that Natsu's skin always looks like this?

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He was activating the fdk scales to block when Suzaku attacked, then deactivated them afterwards. Suzaku's even shocked about the fact that those fdk scales can block his attacks, and goes on about how he needs to concentrate to cut them. They're clearly giving Natsu a huge defense buff.

In DiMaria's case, you wouldn't be prepared for the attack at all. You'd have 0 ability to amp your defenses in that scenario. That's not the case here, though.

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Erza was fully prepared for the fight, and wasn't caught 100% off guard by Misaki's attack (like she would be in a timestop). She just tanked it instead, and like I said, that only just shows that Misaki's damage output is thrash (which I guess comes with the territory of being a hax user)

Read above. Those scales were a huge buff to Natsu's defense. It's clearly not something that every mage can do, and Erza doesn't get to auto-scale to a defensive technique that blocked multiple of Suzaku's attacks (one of which canonically oneshotted her), just because she beat up one of the hax users in the group lol.

I can't remember her saying she's exhausted, just that the armour she used is heavy

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But like I said, exhaustion in this series only matters when it's clearly apparent during the battle.

Natsu could still use magic attacks just fine against Wraith

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We don't know that for sure. For all we know, Wraith's Dragon Spirit bypasses durability or something. Show proof that Beta Heaven replenished his mp, and no, his thought projection not being scuffed up isn't proof. What also doesn't help your case is the fact that after this, he had his magic further drained by Faris, used a charged-up demo-fist against dragon Aldoron, fought Wolfen, and then fought seed Aldoron before going into Dragon Force and casting one of the biggest attacks in the series, seemingly without issue and without a massive amount of time in-between these events.

There's also, of course, this:

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Just for you, my man

 

[Jko]

They do massively amp his defenses cause they cover his skin with scales. Do you think that Natsu's skin always looks like this?

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He was activating the fdk scales to block when Suzaku attacked, then deactivated them afterwards. Suzaku's even shocked about the fact that those fdk scales can block his attacks, and goes on about how he needs to concentrate to cut them. They're clearly giving Natsu a huge defense buff.

In DiMaria's case, you wouldn't be prepared for the attack at all. You'd have 0 ability to amp your defenses in that scenario. That's not the case here, though.

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Erza was fully prepared for the fight, and wasn't caught 100% off guard by Misaki's attack (like she would be in a timestop). She just tanked it instead, and like I said, that only just shows that Misaki's damage output is thrash (which I guess comes with the territory of being a hax user)

Read above. Those scales were a huge buff to Natsu's defense. It's clearly not something that every mage can do, and Erza doesn't get to auto-scale to a defensive technique that blocked multiple of Suzaku's attacks (one of which canonically oneshotted her), just because she beat up one of the hax users in the group lol.

I can't remember her saying she's exhausted, just that the armour she used is heavy

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But like I said, exhaustion in this series only matters when it's clearly apparent during the battle.

Natsu could still use magic attacks just fine against Wraith

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We don't know that for sure. For all we know, Wraith's Dragon Spirit bypasses durability or something. Show proof that Beta Heaven replenished his mp, and no, his thought projection not being scuffed up isn't proof. What also doesn't help your case is the fact that after this, he had his magic further drained by Faris, used a charged-up demo-fist against dragon Aldoron, fought Wolfen, and then fought seed Aldoron before going into Dragon Force and casting one of the biggest attacks in the series, seemingly without issue and without a massive amount of time in-between these events.

There's also, of course, this:

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Just for you, my man

Yeah, bcs he gets the scales from any time he uses flames. I'm again wondering where this massive defense is when he literally blocked stromger attacks barehanded with no scales.

You wouldn't be prepared for Misaki's either the first time around. And you can't prep your defense for 5 hours of passive damage from the field distortion lol. If she knew beforehand what Misaki's moves were the outcome would have been very different.

How is Misaki's attack trash when she shrugged of Blumen Blatt which is equal to Laxus strongest attack??? A simple arm swing from Misaki > Blumen Blatt = Raiko. So again where are you getting her attack is trash? You act like Erza isn't the biggest tank in the series outside of god tiers.

Natsu's barehands = Scales < Erza. So no, those scales are not better than Erza's dura. They were the equivalent of Natsu amping his defense via magic power. An ability any mage can use that tech. Erza is above Natsu in the status quo which Mashima is hellbent on keeping. Suzaku can't beat Base Natsu therefore he can't beat some superior to Base Natsu.

You can still use magic attacks while magically exhausted. You act like he pulled out the Aldo killer lol. He got it back bcs he literally came back fresh after that excursions. He also learned how to use soul manipulation in Beta Heaven as well. Do went from not even impressing Wraith to making him shocked that he was the same level as Madmole's power with just his barefists lol. Happy stopped Faris from draining his magic. Faris has to complete whiteout in order to steal their magic power. He had massive downtime between the Aldo fight and his previous battles. Even Gray and Lucy got their MP back in a similar time frame.

Exhaustion plays a heavy factor into fights. This is shown countless times. There was another translation that stated it exhausts her using it. You can clearly see her sweating bullets after the attack. Lucy also had her magic power diminsh as she could not summon all the gates at once in her fight against Mimi.

The Mimi fight happened after the Suzaku fight so yeah, they were still exhausted when they encountered Suzaku. The fight literally took place right after the Mimi fight so I am wondering when Erza had recovery time. This is not mentioning the damage she accumulated from said fight. So again, Suzaku never oneshotted a healthy Erza. This is like saying Team Natsu was healthy against Hades when they were clearly battle worn lol.

Suzaku with 3x+ power up versus an Erza who just came straight out of a battle which she was sweating bullets from and got damaged in. Be real, the fight was a fluke and that was shown in his rematch against Natsu where he couldn't even take him down with his strongest attack.

 

[MyaHeart35]

By Misaki admission Erza was the strongest person she fought. Erza already defeated a Stronger BDSK. Like Gray said fairy tail never loses against an opponent twice. So 10/10 Erza would win.

 

[Goku solos]

By Misaki admission Erza was the strongest person she fought. Erza already defeated a Stronger BDSK. Like Gray said fairy tail never loses against an opponent twice. So 10/10 Erza would win.

Suzaku>>>>>>Misaki.
Misaki never said that Erza was the strongest person she ever fought, she said that her and Selene are the only girls that are stronger than her.
Misaki never said that Erza was stronger than someone like Kirin

 

[MyaHeart35]

Suzaku>>>>>>Misaki.
Misaki never said that Erza was the strongest person she ever fought, she said that her and Selene are the only girls that are stronger than her.
Misaki never said that Erza was stronger than someone like Kirin

Misaki> Suzaku. It's pretty clear Mashima chose Kirin and Miskai to be the top 2 as both of them were compared to Gildarts. There is no point in debating it. The whole Suzaku>>> BDSK is nothing by but pure wank. Just because he got better feats doesn't mean his is the strongest. Kirin was throwing laxus around, and Miskai could have low diff Gray and Gajeel. Since they basically admitted they don't stand a chance against her. If feats made a person the strongest, God Serena would be stronger than Irene since his historia was overwhelming team Natsu, while Irene somewhat struggled with Erza.
Ik Miskai said the only women she met who are stronger than her, are Erza and Selene.
We know Kirin and Misaki fought since Kirin is the strongest most likely he beat her. However by Misaki's reaction Erza was the FIRST person to overwrite her dimension by magic power. If Kirin done so as well she would have stated it. Miskai already compared Kirin and Erza and Erza destroyed that benchmark of power when she overcame her dimension. Erza doesn't necessarily have to fight the strongest BDSK to be considered stronger than all of them.

 

[Garmadooon]

Nobody says that Suzaku >>>> BDSK now we all know that Hiro has everything retcon but it's totally normal to say that he is stronger than Misaki. Misaki is just a hax opponent that's why she considers herself strong. Take her hax off her and she's just a CQC fighter unlike Suzaku who hits straight. That's why Kirin apparently didn't overcome her dimension because unlike Erza his magic is not spatial or adapted. Like I said just because Suzaku isn't compared to Gildarts doesn't mean he's weaker than Misaki or even Kirin. These are just empty statements now Erza is stronger than Gildarts because she beats an overhyped opponent on her level? No way that's why I refuse to believe any statements in the story without proof.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Nobody says that Suzaku >>>> BDSK now we all know that Hiro has everything retcon but it's totally normal to say that he is stronger than Misaki. Misaki is just a hax opponent that's why she considers herself strong. Take her hax off her and she's just a CQC fighter unlike Suzaku who hits straight. That's why Kirin apparently didn't overcome her dimension because unlike Erza his magic is not spatial or adapted. Like I said just because Suzaku isn't compared to Gildarts doesn't mean he's weaker than Misaki or even Kirin. These are just empty statements now Erza is stronger than Gildarts because she beats an overhyped opponent on her level? No way that's why I refuse to believe any statements in the story without proof.

Kirin has atmosphere magic. Erza mainly overwhelmed her dimension was because of magic power alone not being space related. Kirin is already confirmed the strongest. You don't have to be compared to Gildarts to be the strongest however if the strongest was and another one was while the other 2 weren't it's kind of hinted they're the top 2. As right of now Erza and Laxus might be stronger than Gildarts but when he comes back he will be stronger. Statements are more credible than feats because they're actual facts in the manga. Most of the times feats have outside factors a lot people contend to ignore. In case with BDSK, the others never fought human Selene or Dog, so statements of being stronger than him are more credible. The only time Erza and Gildarts were compared was at the beginning of the series, when she admitted she doesn't hold a candle to him. However the main team or others are growing at a faster rate than Gildarts. No matter how BS it was Erza did alot better than Gildarts against an opponent on the same level.

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku legit said he's never fought anyone as strong as Selene. Why would suzaku lie? If Misaki was stronger than suzaku mashima would have said it. Suzaku doesn't need to be gildarts level to be stronger than Misaki

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Kirin has atmosphere magic. Erza mainly overwhelmed her dimension was because of magic power alone not being space related. Kirin is already confirmed the strongest. You don't have to be compared to Gildarts to be the strongest however if the strongest was and another one was while the other 2 weren't it's kind of hinted they're the top 2. As right of now Erza and Laxus might be stronger than Gildarts but when he comes back he will be stronger. Statements are more credible than feats because they're actual facts in the manga. Most of the times feats have outside factors a lot people contend to ignore. In case with BDSK, the others never fought human Selene or Dog, so statements of being stronger than him are more credible. The only time Erza and Gildarts were compared was at the beginning of the series, when she admitted she doesn't hold a candle to him. However the main team or others are growing at a faster rate than Gildarts. No matter how BS it was Erza did alot better than Gildarts against an opponent on the same level.

Answer my question. Why did suzaku said the strongest person his fought is selene? Answer my question.

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Statements are more credible than feats because they're actual facts in the manga.

How? So if sting says he's stronger than acnologia that means he's stronger? WTF . Statement means zilch when there's better feats. Erza hits nowhere near human ignia and he almost brought down the entire labyrinth. Suzaku tanked it without any flames resistance like natsu. Why does suzaku need to be compared to gildarts to be stronger than Misaki?
It's funny how this fool says statement>> feats but proceeds to say that Erza is human acnologia level because she has feats that supports it. What feat? Delusional. There's legit statement saying suzaku has never fought anyone who damaged him badly like selene? You fail to realize that suzaku and misaki may have never fought? Why would suzaku act surprised when Erza was able to react to his blade? Why would suzaku act surprised when selene reacts to his attack, why would he act surprised when natsu can block his blade? If there's Three characters on his level he shouldn't be that suprised. Try using a little brain power it's not hard.
It really annoys me when this guy types something because it always complete bullshit he then proceeds to counteract his other statements. He legit claimed that Erza was human acnologia level with zilch feats and said she has feats to support it, what feats exactly?

 

[MyaHeart35]

Suzaku legit said he's never fought anyone as strong as Selene. Why would suzaku lie? If Misaki was stronger than suzaku mashima would have said it. Suzaku doesn't need to be gildarts level to be stronger than Misaki

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Answer my question. Why did suzaku said the strongest person his fought is selene? Answer my question.

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How? So if sting says he's stronger than acnologia that means he's stronger? WTF . Statement means zilch when there's better feats. Erza hits nowhere near human ignia and he almost brought down the entire labyrinth. Suzaku tanked it without any flames resistance like natsu. Why does suzaku need to be compared to gildarts to be stronger than Misaki?
It's funny how this fool says statement>> feats but proceeds to say that Erza is human acnologia level because she has feats that supports it. What feat? Delusional. There's legit statement saying suzaku has never fought anyone who damaged him badly like selene? You fail to realize that suzaku and misaki may have never fought? Why would suzaku act surprised when Erza was able to react to his blade? Why would suzaku act surprised when selene reacts to his attack, why would he act surprised when natsu can block his blade? If there's Three characters on his level he shouldn't be that suprised. Try using a little brain power it's not hard.
It really annoys me when this guy types something because it always complete bullshit he then proceeds to counteract his other statements. He legit claimed that Erza was human acnologia level with zilch feats and said she has feats to support it, what feats exactly?

Ok and Selene is the strongest person Suzkau fought. Doesn't mean they are others stronger than him. Kirin and Misaki are stronger than him but they're weaker than Selene which is pretty obvious. Mashima didn't have to say Miskai is stronger than Suzkau he hinted at it in the manga. The Strongest was compared to Gildarts and another was one as well while the other 2 weren't. It's doesn't take an idiot to figure out what Mashima was pointing at.
Sting saying his stronger than Acnologia is self hype. When others compared you to the Strongest person in the guild it's a different story. Moron I said Gildarts Laxus and Erza maybe human DG tier or human Selene tier using their strongest attacks based off Suzkau fight with Selene.
FYI, just because the Dragon Gods are comparable to Acnologia doesn't mean all their human forms are comparable. Some could be stronger than others but their dragon forms are equal. What makes people like you believe human dg forms are all mighty like their dragon forms. Their human form are Extremely weaker than their dragon forms so it would make sense that the High tiers are comparable going all out.

 

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Their human form are Extremely weaker than their dragon forms so it would make sense that the High tiers are comparable going all out.

Are you retarded? Ignia crushed the labyrinth walls that cannot be destroyed in his human form. Ignia's human form caused the whole labyrinth to change shape. Are you doing this intentionally or you just want to be stupid?

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Ok and Selene is the strongest person Suzkau fought. Doesn't mean they are others stronger than him. Kirin and Misaki are stronger than him but they're weaker than Selene which is pretty obvious. Mashima didn't have to say Miskai is stronger than Suzkau he hinted at it in the manga. The Strongest was compared to Gildarts and another was one as well while the other 2 weren't. It's doesn't take an idiot to figure out what Mashima was pointing at.
Sting saying his stronger than Acnologia is self hype. When others compared you to the Strongest person in the guild it's a different story. Moron I said Gildarts Laxus and Erza maybe human DG tier or human Selene tier using their strongest attacks based off Suzkau fight with Selene.
FYI, just because the Dragon Gods are comparable to Acnologia doesn't mean all their human forms are comparable. Some could be stronger than others but their dragon forms are equal. What makes people like you believe human dg forms are all mighty like their dragon forms. Their human form are Extremely weaker than their dragon forms so it would make sense that the High tiers are comparable going all out.

The same goes with misaki just because kirin is the one who pushed her how does that mean there isn't others stronger than her. Mashima never explicitly compared gildarts and Misaki. MISAKI VS ERZA IS SIMILAR TO GILDARTS VS LAXUS it's not an explicit comparison. Why does suzaku need to be compared to gildarts when selene said fighting suzaku is like fighting kurunugi. Why would Suzaku act surprised when selene reacts to his blade? Use your brain a little it's not hard. Mashima doesn't need to compare suzaku to gildarts because it's a waste of time. Suzaku fighting gives off the feeling that it's kurunugi fighting. selene said she's weaker than suzaku in human form. Suzaku can tank attacks that Misaki can't. Just because suzaku fought selene, means Misaki gets to scale to that feat. Show proof that Misaki is stronger and faster than nerf dragon dog. The guy legit was stomping on suzaku's head you bimbo.