Chapter Tower of God Chapter 572 Spoilers & Discussion

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Could have sworn Dowon and Karaka had a dialogue on former slayers in her time and how selfishly ruthless they were!
404, Slayer dialogue not found. You're misremembering.

 

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Right, right. And Khel?

So, let me get this straight, Cha was one of the defacto strongest leaders of the defacto strongest guerilla fighting group - so strong that Zahard had to make sure he was put on ice - and someone that FUG specifically sought out, but he wasn't special enough to even be a Slayer candidate? Got it, got it.

The same Cha that's just as strong now as then, and is basically being offered a seat at the table by Jinsung.

Sure, buddy!
Lol the chi delusion again
 

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Lol HG is not FUG, FUG trained them during Genesis. FUG was a power before HG.
Explain how Khel being in HG is not HG being FUG. Your need to make it seem like you are right on a discussion forum without any tangible proof to back up your statement is limiting your critical thinking skills.
 

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But yah let’s pretend we forgot LOL
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‘sLaYeRs DiD nOt ExIsT bEfOrE hG’ LMFAO
Why don't you answer the questions posed directly to you?
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Lol the chi delusion again
Ah, the classic 'I don't really have a rebuttal' retort. Got it.
 

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King made a whole operation to kill Cha cause he is a menace for the empire
DD of the people who created the tower
A tower where there is 133 beings stronger than Zahard aka admins.
 

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OK, play that out. Rei wins, Baam is his play thing... and then what?

The entire trajectory of the story is Baam vs Zahard/his parents' murderer/the Tower tyrant/false pretense empire/etc - that aligns with FUG whether the latter forced him (very early on I might add). Baam is content with FUG. He's against Rei controlling him now that he has some level of agency, and that FUG has gone from puppetmasters to compatriots. Baam has no reason to fight Rei's battles, and every reason to fight FUGs.
Same thing that happened with FUG right? He arranges people close to him. Gives him the pseudo family he never had. Give him nice things. Help out his friends. Tames him essentially.

Jinsung started out threatening to murder his friends as you may recall. And FUG has repeatedly tried to murder his friends. Baam never knew his parents. He has no real reason to give a damn about them really. They're just strangers to him.

Now I don't think that's how it's going to go but the point stands that the FUG situation proved that Baam is very susceptible to stolkholm syndrome. I don't like that he is, but he is.


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Now I don't think long term Rei has any chance of succeeding. Because as a story that wouldn't be very good. Still, he has plenty of reason to think it would work.
 

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Same thing that happened with FUG right? He arranges people close to him. Gives him the pseudo family he never had. Give him nice things. Help out his friends. Tames him essentially.

Jinsung started out threatening to murder his friends as you may recall. And FUG has repeatedly tried to murder his friends. Baam never knew his parents. He has no real reason to give a damn about them really. They're just strangers to him.

Now I don't think that's how it's going to go but the point stands that the FUG situation proved that Baam is very susceptible to stolkholm syndrome. I don't like that he is, but he is.


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Now I don't think long term Rei has any chance of succeeding. Because as a story that wouldn't be very good. Still, he has plenty of reason to think it would work.
Right, but I'm not asking the question of the mechanics of HOW Rei would go about it, but rather the story as a whole. This is a story of Baam entering the Tower - literally the child of prophecy to kill the King - to fight Zahard/empire. Not fight on their behalf.



What FUG did was to a young, naive Baam. That's not the current Baam. Not everything is exactly the same. That's like Spartan society being really hard on young Spartan boys - who are raised to then fight for Sparta. They don't just change allegiances to the next person or group that is forceful to them again, but instead die fighting for the same group that raised them so harshly. The period to get a Baam that is unmolded clay has passed. Baam, for whatever reason, has gotten over FUG and even Jinsung to the point he's willing to fight and risk his allies to save Jinsung.

Baam's story will always be the story of the irregular that entered the Tower to shake things up, not fight *for* empire or status quo to squash the rebellion.
 

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Explain how Khel being in HG is not HG being FUG. Your need to make it seem like you are right on a discussion forum without any tangible proof to back up your statement is limiting your critical thinking skills.
S3ch39 as explained by White! As I reread myself seems like FUG created HG or at least put the group together
 

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white heard that from other people he wasn't even born, he's not a truthful source!
 

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S3ch39 as explained by White! As I reread myself seems like FUG created HG or at least put the group together
HG emerged DURING the time of Genesis. that doesn't mean there were slayers yet. just because FUG was around doesn't mean there were slayers yet. White is a 2nd gen slayer which was well after Genesis. The 1st Gen slayers(including Luslec) are refered to as "The Ancient Gods"and were created during the height of the FHs reign of power. Which would be AFTER HG was destroyed. So saying Cha-Ch-Cha-Chia was LIKE one of the OG slayers is not far from the truth. And that truth is you were wrong and spent a lot of energy and words proving it.

Edit: *mic drop*
 

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404, Slayer dialogue not found. You're misremembering.

LMFAO you didn’t look hard enough S3ch71!!! Clown-chi’s group was a cute assembly of misfits, except for Dowon, but chi was not shit compared to an actual slayer LOL!!!
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EDIT: BLACK HAMMER DROP LOL
 

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LMFAO you didn’t look hard enough S3ch71!!! Clown-chi’s group was a cute assembly of misfits, except for Dowon, but chi was not shit compared to an actual slayer LOL!!!
@Headlights

EDIT: BLACK HAMMER DROP LOL
You can't even admit that the Karaka/Dowon conversation was in fact not about past Slayers. Wow.
 

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‘404, sLaYeR dIaLoGuE nOt FoUnD. yOu’Re MiSrEmEbErInG’ LMFAO I’m dead! Homie really fell off
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‘ChA-cH-cHa-ChIa’ ain’t SHIT and was far off from being an OG slayer LOL
 

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I'll concede that Slayers existed after reading the chapter. You still are a tool, just don't hurt yourself with all your self-back patting.

Edit: From what I read it said nothing about when slayers were actually created. they could have been created at the same time as HG when Luslec found individuals that possessed great power, yet didn't work well with others. As Dowan stated "they were less Human" so you can imagine they would not have been team players. congratz on your prize of winning nothing of substance. you still can be wrong.
 

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Cha would beat Tiara with or without a book.

That already says more than certain geniuses of the Ha family.

See you next week with more facts.
 

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Time well spent don’t you think!?
 

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Yes, Sly, quite confusing bc I linked a chapter, I thought you referenced the chapter I linked instead of another chapter (that you didn't link). Fair enough, in the chapter you referenced they did in fact talk about Slayers of old. They didn't in the chapter I linked. Your win there.

However:


"After the Hidden Grove team was disbanded because both of their leaders (Cha and Dowon) were sealed, Khel Hellam at some point gained an ability to see fate or future. He then quickly devised a plan to attack Zahard directly with this new ability. He gathered FUG's most powerful fighters, including the remnants of the Hidden Grove team members like Khun Hynd Luch and Taro York to create a special attack team. Khel was so confident with his ability to see fate, and believe he could quickly turn the tides of the war. There are many people in FUG who opposed his plan, and yet, Khel Hellam refuse to listen and went ahead with his plan."




Khel - not listed as a Slayer at any point, and still young so not an 'elder' gathered "FUGs most powerful fighters" - that either means the Slayers then were not shit, or that they were included alongside Hidden Grove, who WERE strong enough to be considered on par with Slayers and in the attack group. Even lower-level HG members were considered strong enough for Khel - FUG's then strongest fighter - to take with. Even more so for Dowon and Cha as they are notably stronger than the other HG, but were sealed at that time.

So, how could Dowon know of Slayers if they were around before she was sealed, but they weren't strong enough to go with Khel to fight Zahard? Again, either this is something she read about after waking up or she didn't know them personally. Or she did - but they didn't qualify as "FUG's most powerful fighters" - take your pick.

In any event, Cha and Dowon would have been considered 'among FUG's strongest' back then.
 

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‘404, sLaYeR dIaLoGuE nOt FoUnD. yOu’Re MiSrEmEbErInG’ LMFAO I’m dead! Homie really fell off
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‘ChA-cH-cHa-ChIa’ ain’t SHIT and was far off from being an OG slayer LOL
I never said he was an OG slayer. I said he was LIKE an OG slayer. you like rereading so much yet you can't even read my statement correctly
 

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If chi manages to do something for once without the help of Dowon or Big Bro Hatz and the attack actually connects lol, he’ll graduate from chi to ‘Cha-Ch-Cha-Chia’. Has a certain ring to it
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Yes, Sly, quite confusing bc I linked a chapter, I thought you referenced the chapter I linked instead of another chapter (that you didn't link). Fair enough, in the chapter you referenced they did in fact talk about Slayers of old. They didn't in the chapter I linked. Your win there.

However:


"After the Hidden Grove team was disbanded because both of their leaders (Cha and Dowon) were sealed, Khel Hellam at some point gained an ability to see fate or future. He then quickly devised a plan to attack Zahard directly with this new ability. He gathered FUG's most powerful fighters, including the remnants of the Hidden Grove team members like Khun Hynd Luch and Taro York to create a special attack team. Khel was so confident with his ability to see fate, and believe he could quickly turn the tides of the war. There are many people in FUG who opposed his plan, and yet, Khel Hellam refuse to listen and went ahead with his plan."




Khel - not listed as a Slayer at any point, and still young so not an 'elder' gathered "FUGs most powerful fighters" - that either means the Slayers then were not shit, or that they were included alongside Hidden Grove, who WERE strong enough to be considered on par with Slayers and in the attack group. Even lower-level HG members were considered strong enough for Khel - FUG's then strongest fighter - to take with. Even more so for Dowon and Cha as they are notably stronger than the other HG, but were sealed at that time.

So, how could Dowon know of Slayers if they were around before she was sealed, but they weren't strong enough to go with Khel to fight Zahard? Again, either this is something she read about after waking up or she didn't know them personally. Or she did - but they didn't qualify as "FUG's most powerful fighters" - take your pick.

In any event, Cha and Dowon would have been considered 'among FUG's strongest' back then.
Vague but I doubt any slayers went! JH was alive and full of rage! He did not go! Is he not among FUG’s most powerful? Luslec skipped the kamikaze mission too
 
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