Hangout Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Hangout Thread

[Meliodaf]

Does anyone know if it’s animated like garbage again?

 

[Demonspeed]

Does anyone know if it’s animated like garbage again?

You aren't watching it? The 1st episode was good. But TBH 1st episodes aren't enough to gauge the animation long term.

 

[Meliodaf]

You aren't watching it? The 1st episode was good. But TBH 1st episodes aren't enough to gauge the animation long term.

I forgot it’s release date. I got around to it earlier and as you said, while it looks good the first episode isn’t exactly the best indicator for this

 

[Undina]

I wonder how many people who aren't familiar with the sequel think that Percival is Tristan or another of Meliodas's sons .

The site I watch it on has none confused on that, since Varghese stated out loud that he's Ironside' s father and ironside Percy's, but I am curious. I've watched a few reactions to Demon Slayer and those do have weird theories every single time on Yoriichi being Tanjuro. By the time we reach mid-season we might get misunderstandings here as well, if there be people who debate theories while exposition happens on screen.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 20, 2023, Original Post Date: Oct 20, 2023 ---

Unless he dyed his hair

And got a bad perm

 

[Demonspeed]

I was going through the old Q&As and found one where Nakaba said that his favorite novels were Hyperion and Endymion by Dan Simmons.

Maybe the chapter title in MnY was a reference to this or a scene in the novels? I have never read them.

 

[FKS]

It's been a while since we last had a Nakaba doodle:

The text says "I'm counting on you to get Volume 14 (and the fanbook)."

But that's not all! Nakaba drew this for a certain occasion:

TL:
I played it quite a lot on PS1 back when I was still a pre-serialization novice. I like to recall that it's this game that made me love stealth games. In any case... happy 35th birthday to the MGS series!!!!!!!!!!! I look forward to playing the remaster! Yoohoo!
Next to Snake: ! Shit...

 

[Mighty Escanor]

In Sistana arc, Irinside summoned the Chaotic Dead to collect sacrifices' blood for CoED:

I used to believe it's because of CoED or an ability granted to Ironside by king Arthur. But isn't it another case of Ironside spirit manipulation? Wind spirits, spirits of Life, and Chaotic Dead which might be a corrupted form of SoL, or something else entirely.

Yeah I'm desperately trying to find evidence to prove Ironside is not a wind only spirit user!

 

[Demonspeed]

In Sistana arc, Irinside summoned the Chaotic Dead to collect sacrifices' blood for CoED:

I used to believe it's because of CoED or an ability granted to Ironside by king Arthur. But isn't it another case of Ironside spirit manipulation? Wind spirits, spirits of Life, and Chaotic Dead which might be a corrupted form of SoL, or something else entirely.

Yeah I'm desperately trying to find evidence to prove Ironside is not a wind only spirit user!

Yes, now I think it's most likely something he did with his Magic.

 

[Yakkun]

In Sistana arc, Irinside summoned the Chaotic Dead to collect sacrifices' blood for CoED:

I used to believe it's because of CoED or an ability granted to Ironside by king Arthur. But isn't it another case of Ironside spirit manipulation? Wind spirits, spirits of Life, and Chaotic Dead which might be a corrupted form of SoL, or something else entirely.

Yeah I'm desperately trying to find evidence to prove Ironside is not a wind only spirit user!

I don't think he is limited to wind either. It might be his prefered spirits to use but we don't even know if what he showed us versus Ban with the Djinn is the same as his usual unnamed (and named) "cross move", like Belfest Margot. That latter one clearly had sparks pop up everywhere before forming his signature cross marks, so this might not be wind based at all. It could be fire.

He also used another move in Sistana, Ragna Claw. And that one left a circular landslide-like hole in the ground. Which is unlike any other of his moves so far, so it might be an earth spirit attack.

If we use Chion's summoning set as a base, then Ironside should be able to summon spirits tiers above what Chion has. Belfest Margot might be a fire-based attack, honed into a heat beam which forms these cross marks. The wind djinn is kinda self-explanatory and my money is on Ragna Claw being an earth spirit move.

On top of that Ironside may have several forbidden spirit summons available, such as summoning the Chaotic Dead or whatever ritual allowed him to create Percival in the first place.

 

[FKS]

You must already know that Nakaba's old series Rising Impact got an anime adaptation confirmed on Netflix.
Here's the author's message:

Spoiler

TL:
I... I-I-I... never expected the day would come that my debut series 25 years ago would get adapted as an anime on Netflix...!!!
Moreover, I felt the extraordinary love towards my work from the people involved in the production by strictly sticking to the old design for its return, and as the author, I can only bow my head to them!!!
Anyway, be sure to feel and enjoy everything: magnificent drawings and production, the VAs' fine performances that perfectly match how I imagined them, punch-packing music!!!

 

[Demonspeed]

No one posted the trailer here so I will:


Liked the music.

So Nakaba used the Kurumi from his first manga and turned her into a Fairy for GoE.

 

[FKS]

Suzuki updated his blog: http://blog.livedoor.jp/suzukinakaba/archives/52231498.html

TL of the drawing:
Rising Impact will be adapted into an anime on Netflix!!
Bubble: I am Percival.
Arrow: The MC is Gawain, a male.
Text:
The project started up about two(?) years ago and the production had been going steadily, and it's finally been announced now...!! Anyway, the anime direction is magnificent so be sure to look forward to it!!
In any case, since I drew it 25 years ago, I felt so embarrassed I couldn't bring myself to read the script... I could only read it thanks to the voice actors.

 

[Yakkun]

Netflix, please animate Kongou Banchou next

 

[Undina]

For most humans accumulating power and experience takes years. I guess there are many young low ranks and apprentices because they are what remains after the war and some old farts with high rank (they lived due to power and experience) because the majority of the middle age and middle rank knights just died 16-18 years ago? Also Britania entered the new age of humans a little while ago so their race will overall only become more powerful and dominant. I guess in the future the other races may be even more on the decline in both population and power...

EoS, magic may slowly but surely disappear entirely from the world as humankind slowly enters the age of science and modernity.

But that's the thing, I expected for a few more humans to have risen to task in the past 16-18 years even in Liones or surrounding areas(not only Arthur's camp), since Arthur started pillaging Britannia, and the humans would be forced to awaken to magic and enhance it(in the context where magic ability now evolves/transforms). But it's still the teens who were born around the time the 2 gods were killed and Chaos was released who show the best potential and evolve like lightning, compared to their parents' generation. We still only have ruby for adults like Pelliot and Golgius, yet Golgius' daughter must already be ranked higher, to be an official Court mage, and yet he's over twice her age( and we do know from a Q&A that one's magic can only evolve with age)... yet the only 2 human HKs who managed anything against MG were Dreyfus and Isolde, the rest were plain sitting ducks, no better than the civilians.

 

[Yakkun]

But that's the thing, I expected for a few more humans to have risen to task in the past 16-18 years even in Liones or surrounding areas(not only Arthur's camp), since Arthur started pillaging Britannia, and the humans would be forced to awaken to magic and enhance it(in the context where magic ability now evolves/transforms). But it's still the teens who were born around the time the 2 gods were killed and Chaos was released who show the best potential and evolve like lightning, compared to their parents' generation. We still only have ruby for adults like Pelliot and Golgius, yet Golgius' daughter must already be ranked higher, to be an official Court mage, and yet he's over twice her age( and we do know from a Q&A that one's magic can only evolve with age)... yet the only 2 human HKs who managed anything against MG were Dreyfus and Isolde, the rest were plain sitting ducks, no better than the civilians.

Could the nature of magic have changed in those years and anyone from before simply can't evolve in the same way?

As for Meragaland, that was a bit of an exhibition fight. People were largely useless against Grey Hendy too, albeit it was still handled better.

 

[Undina]

Could the nature of magic have changed in those years and anyone from before simply can't evolve in the same way?

As for Meragaland, that was a bit of an exhibition fight. People were largely useless against Grey Hendy too, albeit it was still handled better.

I was thinking about the nature of magic change as well, but it makes no sense to affect humans differently, based on generation. Besides, as noted before, Arthur's Camelot has many humans, of all generations, developing further. Or so I think, since Nakaba waited till now to introduce knights like Vargese, Ironside, Morty, Anne's mom, Pelle, etc, who must've been around during Old Camelot as well. But we never saw them doing anything during the TC invasion and battle with the masters, Zel and turncloak Mel... we never saw them at all...so some of these people earned their more menacing levels after HW 2. Not all of them use staffs, so most of the power up must come from nature, their own nature under indirect Chaos influence. It's just the handling, Nakaba made all of the randoms of the Liones army look like fodder to highlight the kids.

 

[Yakkun]

Hey you all, have a nice new years eve! I'm looking forward to discussing NNT and 4KotA with you in 2024! Stay healthy and safe.

 

[Undina]

Hey you all, have a nice new years eve! I'm looking forward to discussing NNT and 4KotA with you in 2024! Stay healthy and safe.

Happy New Years Eve and A Joyful New Year to come with interesting chapters and themes to debate!

 

[FKS]

Nakaba updated his blog: http://blog.livedoor.jp/suzukinakaba/archives/52232750.html

TL of the message:
Birthday celebration comment
Thank you so much, everyone!
It's been 30 years since I debuted with a one-shot. I totally feel like getting close to being an old man with the shoulders and lower back letting out a scream. Probably. But! As long as I get everyone's support, I can continue drawing while drinking!
It isn't just Nasiens reappearing after a long time in 4KoA with lead colors in this week's WSM, both King and Diane also reappeared in the series after quite a while!
As a separate work, I drew the covers for the new edtions of "Rising Impact" Volumes 1 and 2 (two out of 8 in total). Man, does it take me back. (Laughs)

 

[Redpercy]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Mortlach is the highest ranking CK they had met and the one with most intel on Percy and his roots( even Chion interogating him further on the LS spell Ironside used might've given them something to work with if he has access to Merlin, Gowther and whatever ancient knowledge or research materials they mght have), defeated and captured to this point in the manga. Nanashi seems to be out of Arthur's good graces and nobody knows for sure if he is still involved in Arthur's closer held plans...but Morty was the most valuable prisoner they ever got their hands on. It was him they needed securing too, for further intel if they managed to prevent whatever Arthur does to remotely kill them. Percy decided to leave on his own, out of his stupid choice matching the mess Chion himself pulled this episode, but who knows if any detail they could get out of Morty, maybe with Gowther's Invasion, would've been helpful to call him back.

I don't know where your belief that Mortlach is important comes from, but he doesn't seem that way at all
Other than his information about Percival's origins, all of which he has already disclosed, he has nothing else useful.
He is not even important to Arthur and sends him on a suicide mission since his only advantage is that he is a relative of Ironside and knows of Percival's past.
Arthur even used Ironside as a proxy to appoint him and did not meet him directly, while he directly discussed with Nanashi about Lancelot's strength and the reason for not using his right hand.
So even if Ironside lived, he wouldn't have been of any benefit, so his death was the best option

Take this can of worms you opened back to the suitable manga thread and try to prove it edible, I'll dismantle all of your suppositions and give examples of worse mistakes from the others for comparison to show how unfounded your opinion is. We have no strokes of genius from her so far, but no huge mistakes of (common) sense either, especially not in comparison with what others in their group do. Consistently even. Technically, we have no clue to base any objective IQ comparison between these kids, just as there were no grounds for the phantasmagoric PLs some people calculated for Escanor back in the day. But there are comparable feats in stupid choices and Isolde doesn't quite make it high within our given selection.
Also, yes, she called Percival a "boy", cause that's what he is, he's not old enough to be a "man", clearly not that mature, and he's most definitely not a "girl", which she is, even when in possession of an adult's job(as a HK). Does that change the fact that he was supposed to display more sense than a 5 year old, which he is clearly much taller and developed than? Because the official data puts him at around Meliodas' height, IIRC, so he comes across as at least a tween/younger teenager, from a more realistic perspective. I've seen uneducated 5 year olds pulling cr*p like that in public spaces, not the sniffing of course, but never kids older than 10, they know that even if they pull foolish stints, they are what they are and they shouldn't get caught.

Are you trying here to prove that Percival made a mistake? I know this already and no one says otherwise
But this still does not justify Isolde's actions
We don't blow up kids/Teenagers because they bumped into us in the street

If you really want to discuss intelligence in characters and what evidence we have of it, either limit your criticism to what we know already in the anime, or take it back to the manga threads.

I'm not the one who started talking about manga here, it was you
You are the one who came to use what Lancelot did in the manga to defend Isolde's actions towards Percival (even when they were two completely different things)?