American Politics

[wojak]

What is it that you think Trump did to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine?

Just being the president maybe? He was cozying up with Putin, maybe that’s why Putin did not want to start a war?

And are you aware that Israel and Palestine have been in conflict for longer than either of us have been alive?

Did humanity even exist before TikTok?
The conflict existed, sure. Less violent and less people dying during trump then now. It’s a fact. Also a fact that Trump did not start any new war. And likely did not escalate any ongoing conflict. Not that I can remember. That alone is an achievement as a US president looking at his predecessors and successor.

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The main difference now is media approach to it. And Trump himself is a narcissist. That cannot do things quietly without saying dumb stuff. And media jumps onto them.

 

[ninjabot]

My point is it's incredibly weird to try to count the actions that were or were not taken by other nations an accomplishment of Trump's. And even weirder to claim that any of the conflicts happening today came about are somehow Biden's fault. Like autonomous thought among nation leaders stopped being a thing, but only during Biden's presidency so their actions fall to him instead.

 

[wojak]

Well, I guess you can say Trump did not start any war unlike bush and Obama.

You also can say that Biden have not started any war, yet. Maybe he was dealt a shitty hand. But that does not make Biden a better choice than Trump.

 

[ninjabot]

Well, I guess you can say Trump did not start any war unlike bush and Obama.

You also can say that Biden have not started any war, yet. Maybe he was dealt a shitty hand. But that does not make Biden a better choice than Trump.

You're right.

Of all the things that makes Biden better than Trump, that is not one of the many, many things.

 

[wojak]

Well, I am not an American. So my interest with American politics is just foreign policy. Don’t know enough to discuss about domestic policy.

 

[kkck]

It's speculation of course but imo the most likely reason putin didn't invade earlier is because of covid. Ukrainian misinformation stuff started pretty early in trumps presidency and the timing of the start of the invasion fits with covid stuff cooling down. You can't invade Ukraine if a virus makes all your tank crews sick...

 

[M3J]

Well, I am not an American. So my interest with American politics is just foreign policy. Don’t know enough to discuss about domestic policy.

Domestically, Biden has not done too well there either. Whether his fault or not, he still has not managed to do most things he promised, or he failed. It didn't help his case that he didn't fight harder either.

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[ninjabot]

Domestically, Biden has not done too well there either. Whether his fault or not, he still has not managed to do most things he promised, or he failed. It didn't help his case that he didn't fight harder either.

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Anti-terrorism is genocide apologia now?

For fuck's sake November can't get here fast enough.

 

[M3J]

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Believe whatever you want, I don't care. It's clear that despite your claims of researching, you still know so very little about Israel's genocide of Palestinians.


Anyhoo, that aside, we saw BLM protesters under Trump's presidency get attacked, and protests turned violent by cops and plants. But when white supremacists rioted and held rallies, no interference. And now under Biden, Palestinian supporters who protest get attacked and arrested by cops, while Zionist supporters and genocidal maniacs can hold rallies and not worry about cops attacking them. Same shit different form.

Biden and liberals' main argument is "BIDEN BETTER THAN TRUMP!!" but Biden is proving otherwise

 

[ninjabot]

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Believe whatever you want, I don't care. It's clear that despite your claims of researching, you still know so very little about Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

I literally posted a research document that goes over (almost) the entirety of the history of Israel and Palestine:


And I don't know why you're pretending that you care about history, because every time I post about the history of Palestine doing shitty things you dismiss it as being "Old news." That's LITERALLY what history is: old news lmfao.

Anyhoo, that aside, we saw BLM protesters under Trump's presidency get attacked, and protests turned violent by cops and plants. But when white supremacists rioted and held rallies, no interference. And now under Biden, Palestinian supporters who protest get attacked and arrested by cops, while Zionist supporters and genocidal maniacs can hold rallies and not worry about cops attacking them. Same shit different form.

Biden and liberals' main argument is "BIDEN BETTER THAN TRUMP!!" but Biden is proving otherwise

Then don't vote. At this point, I hope Biden loses so that you have no one to cry bully to about dead Palestinian kids. I'd rather you just spend the next 4 years regretting the fact that you've failed them.

 

[kkck]

Gotta say, pretending trump would do more for palestinians than biden is a next level delusion. Trump has no appetite for new wars but there's no reason to think he wouldn't fully side with israel on this one unless the US could be dragged into a bigger war... The evangelical vote is aggressively pro israel and that probably remains trump's most reliable voting block.

 

[M3J]

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Palestinian kids are already being killed under Biden, he failed them. I've seen pictures and videos of the corpses. Trump winning won't be different, but unlike Biden he won't pretend to care.

 

[ninjabot]

Palestinian kids are already being killed under Biden, he failed them. I've seen pictures and videos of the corpses. Trump winning won't be different, but unlike Biden he won't pretend to care.

Why do you keep saying this like it's some kind of profound point? "Palestinian kids will die" is not my warning to you. It's "MORE Palestinian kids will die, at a greater rate than they are now, and the only ones willing to at least pretend to care will no longer have the power to do anything about it."

At this point I have to believe you know what I'm saying and you're just pretending not to know how math works out of spite.

Let's try it this way:

If 1000 Palestinian kids die every day thanks to Biden, that's bad.
If 2000 Palestinian kids die every day thanks to Trump, that's bad.

Which do you prefer?

 

[kkck]

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Palestinian kids are already being killed under Biden, he failed them. I've seen pictures and videos of the corpses. Trump winning won't be different, but unlike Biden he won't pretend to care.

So now biden is not worse, just the same? That goalpost of yours is pretty agile.

 

[ninjabot]

Gotta say, pretending trump would do more for palestinians than biden is a next level delusion. Trump has no appetite for new wars but there's no reason to think he wouldn't fully side with israel on this one unless the US could be dragged into a bigger war... The evangelical vote is aggressively pro israel and that probably remains trump's most reliable voting block.

In your opinion what would pro-Palestinian lefties do if Trump won and nothing changed or as I believe will happen, things got worse for Palestine?

What would/should be their next step?

 

[kkck]

In your opinion what would pro-Palestinian lefties do if Trump won and nothing changed or as I believe will happen, things got worse for Palestine?

What would/should be their next step?

I would guess these far leftiest (who probably don't vote) would move on from palestine to whichever other weekly trump scandal tbh. The news cycle with biden is pretty tame but with trump it was a tsunami that was nigh impossible to track.

 

[ninjabot]

I would guess these far leftiest (who probably don't vote) would move on from palestine to whichever other weekly trump scandal tbh. The news cycle with biden is pretty tame but with trump it was a tsunami that was nigh impossible to track.

Yeah. The virtue signaling will dry up. But it's not fair they can try to ruin an election for a year and then just move on without any consequences. It's like a kid walking into the room where you're building a Lego sculpture and kicking your Lego's down and then just walking out. There's gotta be consequences.

 

[kkck]

Yeah. The virtue signaling will dry up. But it's not fair they can try to ruin an election for a year and then just move on without any consequences. It's like a kid walking into the room where you're building a Lego sculpture and kicking your Lego's down and then just walking out. There's gotta be consequences.

I figured the trump presidency and what it implied was consequence enough. But in this regard it barely matters, the folk at play just aren't a reliable vote for anyone. Can they even get democrats to not vote for biden? I mostly don't see this as an issue that breaks the status quo (so far, who knows a few months from now).

Edit: I mean, it definitely doesn't give any democrat a reason to vote for trump obviously and trump supporting israel won't cost him any votes. It could get some people to not vote for biden I suppose but the punishment for that as I said would simply be the trump presidency.

 

[ninjabot]

Yeah, but what I meant is there have to be consequences for lefties that aren't also forced on the people who did their due diligence and voted Democrat like a good American. I shouldn't have to share the consequences that they do because I'm doing the right thing.

 

[M3J]

Why do you keep saying this like it's some kind of profound point? "Palestinian kids will die" is not my warning to you. It's "MORE Palestinian kids will die, at a greater rate than they are now, and the only ones willing to at least pretend to care will no longer have the power to do anything about it."

At this point I have to believe you know what I'm saying and you're just pretending not to know how math works out of spite.

Let's try it this way:

If 1000 Palestinian kids die every day thanks to Biden, that's bad.
If 2000 Palestinian kids die every day thanks to Trump, that's bad.

Which do you prefer?

Because kids are still dying either way. We don't know if more Palestinian kids will die or if the rate will stay the same, because Biden is doing jackshit to help the kids. Biden can at least actually try to get Israel to stop attacking Gaza and make it so that no kid dies, and he can also do more to save them instead of lying about the protesters and Hamas. Try to force Israel to agree to the ceasefire, which they don't care to accept because they don't care about the hostages.

I might have agreed with you loooong time ago if Biden actually made an effort to help Palestinians. He did not, he lied and continued to help Israel commit genocide. You keep claiming Trump would make things worse, but Biden has literally been helping Israel for months. That's like me watching you get mugged, joining the muggers, and then helping you by giving you a dollar and saying I helped you.

So now biden is not worse, just the same? That goalpost of yours is pretty agile.

you're imagining the goalpost. We don't know what Trump would do. Likely worst case scenario, he continues what Biden is doing.





Republicans proving to be facists. Hopefully Democrats aren't so immoral that they allow this to pass.

College protestors could be sent to Gaza under new House GOP bill

A new House Republican bill would send any person charged and convicted for illegal activity on a college campus to Gaza for at least six months.

www.fox13news.com