You're nicer than me. I'd trick them into accepting a trade of smallpox-contaminated blankets instead.
I am not made out of money, I wouldn't give up land I bought with my hard earned money over stuff that I didn't do that happened to their ancestors hundreds of years ago. Social issues of this scale can't be resolved by random ass individuals who aren't even made out of money. At least in this hypothetical I am not imagining myself owning a gold mine at least.
Just drawing a distinction for our far-left friends in here. You're not a colonizer if you didn't do any colonizing, even if you're living on colonized land.
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So, Briahna Joy Gray lost her job on the Hill. No confirmation as to why, but it's pretty likely this is the reason:
Also this is just ignorant. George Washington rebelled against the OG colonizers of the past 1200 years. Also, if America never existed it's hard to say how many advancements would have been missed or severely delayed (such as the polio vaccine, most of the internet's functionality, GPS, Airplanes, commercial plastics).
So, you're saying that invasion and genocide are moral actions. Interesting.
Actually, we don't know what would've happened in terms of technological advancements if the criminals who chose to invade america remained in europe.
Also, sometimes, invasion and genocide are counterproductive like when the mongols annihilated almost all scientific advancements gathered in learning centers such as "house of Knowledge" in the Abbasid khalifate.
If there's no statute of limitation on colonization then by that logic everyone is equally a piece of shit and humanity should go extinct. No one would be more or less guilty than the other.
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Because everyone's ancestors have at some point or another conquered someone else if you go back far enough. Bringing up stuff that happened hundreds of years ago now when both the conquerors and conquered no longer exist makes no sense.
So, you're saying that invasion and genocide are moral actions. Interesting.
Actually, we don't know what would've happened in terms of technological advancements if the criminals who chose to invade america remained in europe.
Also, sometimes, invasion and genocide are counterproductive like when the mongols annihilated almost all scientific advancements gathered in learning centers such as "house of Knowledge" in the Abbasid khalifate.
He never said it's moral. Neither did I, neither did kckk. Everyone agrees that taking someone's home from them, violently or not, is immoral.
Our point of contention is that what's happened has happened, and you can't take vengeance on the children of the people that are responsible for the crimes of colonization. Israeli children aren't colonizers, just like white descendants of the American colonizers aren't colonizers.
Because everyone's ancestors have at some point or another conquered someone else if you go back far enough. Bringing up stuff that happened hundreds of years ago now when both the conquerors and conquered no longer exist makes no sense.
How about stuff that happened just 10, 20 years or few decades ago at best where you know that the parents are a genocidal psycopaths and most likely gave their children psychopathic/genocidal education (as in 90% of the israeli population was 100% behind IOF terrorists, just saying). Not to mention the ongoing oppressing, going forward with settlements, rape, killing, etc without repercutions. Supporing that is insane, you should be a monster to fathom the maxed crimes executed by these criminals.
Otherwise, the offsprings don't inherit the sins nor "the stolen possessions or land' of their parents. It's as simple as that. Any other conclusion is nonsenticcal.
You say that because you either come from a lineage of colons or at least you grew up in a colonial settler state (which explains the colon mentatity). You never know the level of hopelesness and oppression these people and their descendants experience upon these sustaining these attrocities, seeing their culture and homes are destroyed without being able to do anything about it.
As a matter of fact, do you really think native americans would remain lenient if they're given the weapons to fight on par with the US military or that somehow you'd hold the higher moral standard if they attempt to expel you from their homes after wiping out their civilisation and lands ?
Finally, you still didn't give an answer. What kind of punitive lwas should be applied on colons who are obviously above the law at some point.
If you say it ends with their offspring inheriting the stolen land and the kicked out population should accept it just like that, then it means you legitimise genocide and invasion. You shouldn't complain if someone else suddenly decide to kick you out of your home for the sole reason that he has a higher military might.
Actually, we don't know what would've happened in terms of technological advancements if the criminals who chose to invade america remained in europe.
Also, sometimes, invasion and genocide are counterproductive like when the mongols annihilated almost all scientific advancements gathered in learning centers such as "house of Knowledge" in the Abbasid khalifate.
What we know is that in the past couple of centuries, many people from various regions (Asia, European, America, Africa, etc..) have made huge strides in advancing medicine and technology in general. It's usually happened after they migrated to America. Most of those happen in the USA because it's an environment that incentivizes research into those things.
Again, nobody is promoting genocide or arguing that it's a good thing. You can't change the past, and if you want to mope around at the fact America or Israel exists, then you do you. The vast majority of nations can be traced back to some form of conquest; Just look at Tibet. Its history is literally China saying, "Hey you're a part of us now," Tibet responding "We don't want to be" and China being like "Well, we've got a military, so.. welcome to the PRC!"
The vast majority of South (and Central) America was colonized by Spaniards. Europe was constantly in a state of chaos with countries trying to take over one another. Africa is constantly in a state of conflict and inter-continental invasion.
China is constantly in international (or other nations') waters trying to assert their claim on it, going so far as ramming coast guards and fishing boats.
Russia is literally invading Ukraine right now.
The fact of the matter is that Israel is recognized as a nation by the UN, which is more of an authority on the matter than you are, and most international trade is conducted using USD. So, while I assume you're living on Earth, you definitely aren't living in reality. The fact of life is that you need to be strong, and be able to protect your homeland, or you will lose it. That could mean economic strength (so you get a country such as the USA to be your protector) or military strength. It's a tough reality but that's how it's been since the dawn of humanity.
How about stuff that happened just 10, 20 years or few decades ago at best where you know that the parents are a genocidal psycopaths and most likely gave their children psychopathic/genocidal education (as in 90% of the israeli population was 100% behind IOF terrorists, just saying). Not to mention the ongoing oppressing, going forward with settlements, rape, killing, etc without repercutions. Supporing that is insane, you should be a monster to fathom the maxed crimes executed by these criminals.
Otherwise, the offsprings don't inherit the sins nor "the stolen possessions or land' of their parents. It's as simple as that. Any other conclusion is nonsenticcal.
You say that because you either come from a lineage of colons or at least you grew up in a colonial settler state (which explains the colon mentatity). You never know the level of hopelesness and oppression these people and their descendants experience upon these sustaining these attrocities, seeing their culture and homes are destroyed without being able to do anything about it.
As a matter of fact, do you really think native americans would remain lenient if they're given the weapons to fight on par with the US military or that somehow you'd hold the higher moral standard if they attempt to expel you from their homes after wiping out their civilisation and lands ?
Finally, you still didn't give an answer. What kind of punitive lwas should be applied on colons who are obviously above the law at some point.
If you say it ends with their offspring inheriting the stolen land and the kicked out population should accept it just like that, then it means you legitimise genocide and invasion. You shouldn't complain if someone else suddenly decide to kick you out of your home for the sole reason that he has a higher military might.
Welp, I am not talking about modern stuff, I obviously do not support what israel is doing. But there's no realistic way of simply disappearing israel that doesn't involve a nuke. And everyone's ancestors at some point or another conquered someone else, that's just reality. The alternatives we have today in regards to that is either keep fighting or having reasonable, sustainable government policy to help people out. I don't particularly care about the culture angle of this because it's in the nature of culture to change. The majority of people today simply don't have the culture their ancestors from 100 years back had, they live and think substantially different.
Say the 3 million native americans got the weapons... you think they'd go on a killing spree of roughly 350 million non native americans in the US? Maybe they do but it will take generations for them to finish killing white people (and black people, and latinos and asians who also live in colonized land).
You're nicer than me. I'd trick them into accepting a trade of smallpox-contaminated blankets instead.
Just drawing a distinction for our far-left friends in here. You're not a colonizer if you didn't do any colonizing, even if you're living on colonized land.
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So, Briahna Joy Gray lost her job on the Hill. No confirmation as to why, but it's pretty likely this is the reason:
He never said it's moral. Neither did I, neither did kckk. Everyone agrees that taking someone's home from them, violently or not, is immoral.
Our point of contention is that what's happened has happened, and you can't take vengeance on the children of the people that are responsible for the crimes of colonization. Israeli children aren't colonizers, just like white descendants of the American colonizers aren't colonizers.
The children of the people that are responsible are also responsible for the crimes of colonization given that they're continuing murdering Palestinians and stealing their land.
White descendants of American colonizers continued colonizing USA until it was created into what we know now, and the descendants that are alive now are continuing harm against indigenous people and Black people. They benefit from their ancestors stealing land from indigenous people and enslaving Black people, as both helped build wealth.
I mean, descendants of slave owners and colonizers in the 20th century burned down cities where Black people doing well, refused to sell homes to them, and even when homes were sold, made sure that Black people could not live in peace. Indigenous people live in extreme poverty and in constant danger because of colonizers that stole their land, where now the descendants can actually let them live a better life, but they won't.
If the descendants of Zionist colonizers were innocent, they would not be killing Palestinians and taking their lands, and those who already have Palestinian lands would be giving it back to them.
None of this is a hard concept to understand if people actually knew the history of countries and had any empathy, instead of being all "omg I didn't do anything even though I benefit from it, stop hurting my feelings!!"
In another news, especially related to Biden and the election:
Israeli committed a horrific genocide today to rescue four hostages. I guess we know why they kept rejecting deals, so they'd have an excuse to murder even more Palestinians, with aid from Biden and US military.
And that's on top of other lies or "exaggerations" that Israel admitted to. Given the fact that Biden is helping them commit genocide, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the left that hate Trump will actually vote for him if it meant getting Biden out. At least Palestinian supporters and Muslims know what to expect with Trump, Biden just two-faces everything.
Sadly, liberals lack the intelligence to realize that Biden and the Dems are the problem, not the left, Muslims, and Palestine supporters, or women who were let down by Biden. Or asylum seekers.
Welp, I am not talking about modern stuff, I obviously do not support what israel is doing. But there's no realistic way of simply disappearing israel that doesn't involve a nuke. And everyone's ancestors at some point or another conquered someone else, that's just reality. The alternatives we have today in regards to that is either keep fighting or having reasonable, sustainable government policy to help people out. I don't particularly care about the culture angle of this because it's in the nature of culture to change. The majority of people today simply don't have the culture their ancestors from 100 years back had, they live and think substantially different.
Say the 3 million native americans got the weapons... you think they'd go on a killing spree of roughly 350 million non native americans in the US? Maybe they do but it will take generations for them to finish killing white people (and black people, and latinos and asians who also live in colonized land).
That's stupid. They can relocate without conflict. Israel does not need to exist, and genocidal Zionists do not need to live with Palestinians or with anyone, really, given how fucked up they are.
Debatable. Tons of Southern Americans have similar or same culture that their ancestors did. Israelis definitely do, given by the fact that they're continuing the ethnic cleansing their ancestors started.
Why would they go after nonwhite people? It was the white people who murdered indigenous people and committed genocide after genocide to steal land because Manifest Destiny or something.
He's not a leftist, he's a liberal. A socdem, like me. He's also not a Zionist. I'm not either, but I'm considering taking on the moniker cause it's a quick way to find out whether someone's political stances are thought out well or not based on their reaction to the title. Maybe I'll call myself a Z-Warrior to spice it up a bit.
And no, she's been vocal about being anti zionist for months. She wasn't fired until after she implied that Israeli hostages weren't being raped by rolling her eyes at the woman who was talking about her hostage sister.
And we know that's what she was rolling her eyes about because she just had an interview with that dumbfuck Glen Greenwald where she tried to do damage control and walk it back, claiming she was rolling her eyes at the fact that the girl was talking about "mass rapes". But the girl didn't mention mass rapes in that clip. She just said to "believe women."
The children of the people that are responsible are also responsible for the crimes of colonization given that they're continuing murdering Palestinians and stealing their land.
You're doing the same thing hblock is doing and you're pretending that every Israeli has committed a crime. I LITERALLY said the kids that are just living in Israel aren't inherently criminals, and you said "Yes they are, because they're murdering Palestinians and stealing land!" This was the point of the comparison to Native Americans because current descendants of white colonizers aren't running around murdering Native Americans! And even if some where, that'd even be a better comparison to Israel and Palestine, because it would only be SOME of them doing it.
White descendants of American colonizers continued colonizing USA until it was created into what we know now, and the descendants that are alive now are continuing harm against indigenous people and Black people. They benefit from their ancestors stealing land from indigenous people and enslaving Black people, as both helped build wealth.
I know all of those things happened. But the children of the people who did those things? They're not doing those things. And so they have nothing to apologize for. Same for any non-IDF Israeli kid living in Israel.
If the descendants of Zionist colonizers were innocent, they would not be killing Palestinians and taking their lands, and those who already have Palestinian lands would be giving it back to them.
They aren't. Unless you want to prove to me that every single Israeli citizen has:
1: killed a Palestinian
2: taken land away from a Palestinian who initially owned that land
You can't, but you have to pretend that they are so you can justify moving them all out instead of just the Zionists. You have to condemn the children of Zionists.
None of this is a hard concept to understand if people actually knew the history of countries and had any empathy, instead of being all "omg I didn't do anything even though I benefit from it, stop hurting my feelings!!"
Are you saying that's justification enough? The fact that they're benefitting from it? Am I justified in kicking every white person out of America because the lot in life I lead as a black man? Is white privilege justification for me attacking white people?
Because we're non-natives. We're living on their land. And they want it back. If they're killing white people to take their land back, then they've gotta kill non-white people too, because non-white people own land that belonged to Native Americans too. We may have bought it from white people who colonized that land, but it's still land that belongs to natives, owned by non-natives.
Therein lies the problem. I, as a black man who is not a colonizer, am living on colonized land. Israelis who have not colonized any land (descendants of colonizers), are living in Israel, on colonized land.
You know what? I can make it even simpler: There are currently over 25,000 African American Israelis.
Now you absolutely cannot claim that all Israelis are colonizers.
Where do these 25,000 black folk go if Palestinians come to take over Israel? How are they supposed to respond to someone trying to take their homes from them?
You're missing a keyword in that, "AMERICAN." Nice effort though.
Anyway, Fetterman continues to spiral and alienate even more progressives by implying that him getting brain damage is why he left progressivism (which I think he's lying anyway, was never a true progressivist). Remarkable that despite the fact that Dems should be winning elections or doing well even if they lose, they are intent on sabotaging not only themselves, but their entire party in different locations.
And then a lot of "progressives" like AOC are showing that they're no different or better than the establishment Dems, to boot. Dems might win local elections but on a bigger scale, not sure how they'll do, especially with the stupidity of conservatives and Trump supporters.
As in they originated from America, and are now Israeli. That's the entire point! They're not native to Israel, and yet Israel is their home and just like the children of the original colonizers have no connection to the plight of Palestinians and don't owe them a damned thing.
Unless of course you believe they are colonizers? Do they have to be removed from Israel too? How about the 168,000 Ethiopian Jews living in Israel, how about them? Are they colonizers? Have they inherited the sins of the colonial Zionists you think the current children in Israel have inherited?
The only remotely interesting bit about the biden conviction is that it shows how little to stand on republicans have... And even then it's not like it's that big a reveal. Or a reveal...
since 2006 and is also a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Central Council. In 2007, Barghouti was Minister of Information in the Palestinian unity government.
As in they originated from America, and are now Israeli. That's the entire point! They're not native to Israel, and yet Israel is their home and just like the children of the original colonizers have no connection to the plight of Palestinians and don't owe them a damned thing.
Unless of course you believe they are colonizers? Do they have to be removed from Israel too? How about the 168,000 Ethiopian Jews living in Israel, how about them? Are they colonizers? Have they inherited the sins of the colonial Zionists you think the current children in Israel have inherited?
Original colonizers owe Palestinians their land back and to stop murdering them, just as white Americans owe indigenous people their land back and reparations towards indigenous people and Black people.
African Americans in your scenario would not be Israelis, they'd still be African AMERICANS. Still colonizers, especially with how Israel steals Palestinian lands and gives it to foreigners. Israel is not their home. If they want to live there, they can buy a house or whatever in a regular manner, otherwise they can go back to America.
So, you're okay with current children in Israel supporting violence against Palestinians? They're literally being raised to hate Palestinians and normalize hurting and killing them because of propaganda. Did you not post a video of Israelis attacking a journalist, claiming to condemn that? They do that because they "inherited the sins" that you imply they didn't! Literally, one of the reasons why the genocide is happening is because of that!
If your ancestor had a mansion, and someone came in, killed most of your family, and stole their land while your family lived in poverty for generations, and the person's family amassed generational wealth while abusing and killing members of your family, you'd have no issue with that? You'd just say, "they don't owe me a right to live comfortably or in safety because they didn't do anything to me, their ancestors did!"?
The only remotely interesting bit about the biden conviction is that it shows how little to stand on republicans have... And even then it's not like it's that big a reveal. Or a reveal...
Eh, I think it's doing its job if it motivates more voters to vote for Trump. But on the other hand, it should show any republican with common sense (none tbh) that the system is fairer than they think.
Yeah, I can't see the left and libs who aren't brainwashed voting for Biden. He's accomplished somethings, especially in the travel sector, but ultimately his inaction has done more damage, especially to his image. Trump's gonna have to say something super fucked up if Biden's likely to win, otherwise it'll probably be up in the air.
Imagine the embarrassment Biden will face if he loses the popular vote to Trump, something that not even Clinton managed to do.
Original colonizers owe Palestinians their land back and to stop murdering them, just as white Americans owe indigenous people their land back and reparations towards indigenous people and Black people.
African Americans in your scenario would not be Israelis, they'd still be African AMERICANS. Still colonizers, especially with how Israel steals Palestinian lands and gives it to foreigners. Israel is not their home. If they want to live there, they can buy a house or whatever in a regular manner, otherwise they can go back to America.
So, you're okay with current children in Israel supporting violence against Palestinians? They're literally being raised to hate Palestinians and normalize hurting and killing them because of propaganda. Did you not post a video of Israelis attacking a journalist, claiming to condemn that? They do that because they "inherited the sins" that you imply they didn't! Literally, one of the reasons why the genocide is happening is because of that!
If your ancestor had a mansion, and someone came in, killed most of your family, and stole their land while your family lived in poverty for generations, and the person's family amassed generational wealth while abusing and killing members of your family, you'd have no issue with that? You'd just say, "they don't owe me a right to live comfortably or in safety because they didn't do anything to me, their ancestors did!"?
Eh, I think it's doing its job if it motivates more voters to vote for Trump. But on the other hand, it should show any republican with common sense (none tbh) that the system is fairer than they think.
Yeah, I can't see the left and libs who aren't brainwashed voting for Biden. He's accomplished somethings, especially in the travel sector, but ultimately his inaction has done more damage, especially to his image. Trump's gonna have to say something super fucked up if Biden's likely to win, otherwise it'll probably be up in the air.
Imagine the embarrassment Biden will face if he loses the popular vote to Trump, something that not even Clinton managed to do.
What are you talking about? Buy a house in a regular manner? Are you under the impression israelites get homes other than in the "regular manner" you mention?
Hmmm, to me it's a bit of a hard sell that the hunter biden stuff would move voters one way or the other. If its indecisive voters I think biden being a potato holds more weight.
I think you are forgetting that when trump was president he set up things at the border so that while detained immigrants would suffer. Which biden has not done (at least intentionally, to my knowledge). I will note that deporting everyone is the logical and correct thing to do. Asylum is a human right meant to protect people from a variety of immediate threats to their lives. It's not meant for people who want to escape poverty and it is not supposed to necessarily result in getting citizenship. No country operates like that and the expectation is ridiculous.
African Americans in your scenario would not be Israelis, they'd still be African AMERICANS. Still colonizers, especially with how Israel steals Palestinian lands and gives it to foreigners. Israel is not their home. If they want to live there, they can buy a house or whatever in a regular manner, otherwise they can go back to America.
Thank you. You accidentally gave the right answer for once: you're okay with Palestinians taking homes from Israelis that aren't connected to the colonization efforts of the Zionists that have actually harmed Palestinians.
And no, you're not just an American if you immigrate to another country. Mexicans that move to America are not just Mexican, they're now Americans too. They're Mexican Americans. African Americans that move to Israel are not just Americans, they are now Israelis. African American Israelis.
So, you're okay with current children in Israel supporting violence against Palestinians? They're literally being raised to hate Palestinians and normalize hurting and killing them because of propaganda. Did you not post a video of Israelis attacking a journalist, claiming to condemn that? They do that because they "inherited the sins" that you imply they didn't! Literally, one of the reasons why the genocide is happening is because of that!
Children in general don't support shit. They're children. Unless they grow up and join the IDF and actively kill Palestinians they haven't done anything to deserve being kicked out of the country they were born in. Hell they don't even have to be pro-Palestine to be considered innocent. If they reach adulthood and don't actively commit any harm, but have been raised to believe that this is their country, they're not harming anyone. Because it is their country, however it got to that point.
Just like how America is MY country, however it got to that point. I'm not actively attacking Native Americans, but if one tries to take my home from me, then I'll defend my property and be morally correct in doing so. The kids in that video were indeed wrong for attacking the journalist. But the kids in that vid were not "every Israeli citizen in Israel." I condemn the actions, but I don't condemn all Israeli citizens because I'm an adult. I know that the actions of a few is not the actions of all.
This is the SAME REASON why I can't justify murdering all of Palestine even though I know how many of them support Hamas. Because they haven't inherited the sins of the terrorists in control of their country. I know which Palestinians are the innocents and which ones are the bad guys. You can't seem to tell which Israelis are the innocents and which ones are the bad guys.
If your ancestor had a mansion, and someone came in, killed most of your family, and stole their land while your family lived in poverty for generations, and the person's family amassed generational wealth while abusing and killing members of your family, you'd have no issue with that? You'd just say, "they don't owe me a right to live comfortably or in safety because they didn't do anything to me, their ancestors did!"?
It's not a one-to-one comparison, but yes I'd have issue with it... just not with the children of the people responsible for it. Because I wouldn't have a choice. That's the America I live in. Black people don't have generational wealth thanks to slavery, and then Jim Crow, and then redlining. Our families were raped and murdered and we still live under systemic racism. And yet I don't feel a need to kick white people out of the country, let alone kill any of them. I gotta make due with what I've got, while simultaneously making sure it doesn't get any worse.
Palestinians don't have a choice either, sorry to say.
Hmmm, to me it's a bit of a hard sell that the hunter biden stuff would move voters one way or the other. If its indecisive voters I think biden being a potato holds more weight.
What are you talking about? Buy a house in a regular manner? Are you under the impression israelites get homes other than in the "regular manner" you mention?
Hmmm, to me it's a bit of a hard sell that the hunter biden stuff would move voters one way or the other. If its indecisive voters I think biden being a potato holds more weight.
I think you are forgetting that when trump was president he set up things at the border so that while detained immigrants would suffer. Which biden has not done (at least intentionally, to my knowledge). I will note that deporting everyone is the logical and correct thing to do. Asylum is a human right meant to protect people from a variety of immediate threats to their lives. It's not meant for people who want to escape poverty and it is not supposed to necessarily result in getting citizenship. No country operates like that and the expectation is ridiculous.
Have you not heard of the video where a Jew from Brooklyn kicked an old woman out of her home in Palestine and tried justifying it saying that if he didn't do it someone else would have?
Agreed, but republican politicians and pundits are likely trying to do what they can to win over voters to their side. Indecisive voters or neutral voters might not be affected by this, but some might and not want to support the father of a criminal... even though Trump's sons and son-in-law have been reported to be stealing money from charities and etc.
Deporting people who want to make a better life for themselves is wrong, and it's hypocritical when USA has been hyping up the American Dream. Like, if they didn't want people to immigrate, why talk about how anyone has a chance to make it there if they work hard?
Thank you. You accidentally gave the right answer for once: you're okay with Palestinians taking homes from Israelis that aren't connected to the colonization efforts of the Zionists that have actually harmed Palestinians.
And no, you're not just an American if you immigrate to another country. Mexicans that move to America are not just Mexican, they're now Americans too. They're Mexican Americans. African Americans that move to Israel are not just Americans, they are now Israelis. African American Israelis.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but nearly all Israelis and foreigners settling in Israel are connected to the colonization and ethnical cleansing. That's literally how they have homes, because they kicked Palestinians out and/or murdered them.
Okay, African American Israeli colonizers if that makes you feel better. Just as guilty if they claim birthright.
Children in general don't support shit. They're children. Unless they grow up and join the IDF and actively kill Palestinians they haven't done anything to deserve being kicked out of the country they were born in. Hell they don't even have to be pro-Palestine to be considered innocent. If they reach adulthood and don't actively commit any harm, but have been raised to believe that this is their country, they're not harming anyone. Because it is their country, however it got to that point.
Just like how America is MY country, however it got to that point. I'm not actively attacking Native Americans, but if one tries to take my home from me, then I'll defend my property and be morally correct in doing so. The kids in that video were indeed wrong for attacking the journalist. But the kids in that vid were not "every Israeli citizen in Israel." I condemn the actions, but I don't condemn all Israeli citizens because I'm an adult. I know that the actions of a few is not the actions of all.
This is the SAME REASON why I can't justify murdering all of Palestine even though I know how many of them support Hamas. Because they haven't inherited the sins of the terrorists in control of their country. I know which Palestinians are the innocents and which ones are the bad guys. You can't seem to tell which Israelis are the innocents and which ones are the bad guys.
Again, I understand that you know very little about this, and if your source is destiny and whatever he feels like sharing, then I can understand why you don't think kids have been brainwashed into hating Palestinians. The video you showed is the result of them as kids being brainwashed into hating Palestinians and thinking Israel as good.
Yet Hamas are defending Palestinians and were defending their homes, but you were still condemning them. White Americans may not be actively attacking indigenous people, but look at how indigenous people are forced to live, and instead of doing something to improve their living conditions, white Americans are ignoring them.
I can tell which Israelis are innocent and which are bad. I can't help it if you refuse to understand. You however are the one insisting Hamas are bad, and they're terrorists despite the fact that Israel has consistently been lying, their own hostages have praised Hamas as good, and Hamas existing to defend their people.
It's not a one-to-one comparison, but yes I'd have issue with it... just not with the children of the people responsible for it. Because I wouldn't have a choice. That's the America I live in. Black people don't have generational wealth thanks to slavery, and then Jim Crow, and then redlining. Our families were raped and murdered and we still live under systemic racism. And yet I don't feel a need to kick white people out of the country, let alone kill any of them. I gotta make due with what I've got, while simultaneously making sure it doesn't get any worse.
Palestinians don't have a choice either, sorry to say.
So you wouldn't have an issue with the children of people continuing to kill your family and making sure they can't get a better life? You'd be okay with the descendants continuing to abuse and kill your family while doing what they can to keep your family in poverty and homeless?
So you don't feel a need to do anything to fight systematic racism? You would rather allow it to happen? Am I understand this correctly? That would explain everything, actually.
Problem with Palestinians' fight for freedom and safety is that Israel has USA's help, and both are breaking laws and threatening others without repercussion.
Have you not heard of the video where a Jew from Brooklyn kicked an old woman out of her home in Palestine and tried justifying it saying that if he didn't do it someone else would have?
Agreed, but republican politicians and pundits are likely trying to do what they can to win over voters to their side. Indecisive voters or neutral voters might not be affected by this, but some might and not want to support the father of a criminal... even though Trump's sons and son-in-law have been reported to be stealing money from charities and etc.
Deporting people who want to make a better life for themselves is wrong, and it's hypocritical when USA has been hyping up the American Dream. Like, if they didn't want people to immigrate, why talk about how anyone has a chance to make it there if they work hard?
That has literally nothing to do with anything... In israel once land has been annexed it's treated like any other land. It's developed and people can invest in it, as in buy it, including homes. Your brooklin nonsense is irrelevant..
It's not wrong. The majority of countries on the planet have standards for who gets to come in and how long they can stay and under what conditions. It's only a faction of the democrat party that is ok with anyone that gets there staying. The incentives here are all twisted by this nonsense. And this isn't even causing problems solely for the US. Every country on the way to the US gets fucked by immigration waves in god knows how many ways. The amount of people who simply die or go missing on the way, the amount that ends up trafficked, the amount of children who end up alone (and ripe for being recruited by gangs), the amount of people who end up doing stuff for organized crime... Every step of the way to the US is hell. And all the aftermath of all that shit is left for countries on the way to the US and the countries from which those people came from to handle. The messaging and policy from the US needs to be one that kills the incentives to take this innaly dangerous trip, not one that encourages people to do it.
