Gustang was said to be one of the most knowledgeable people in the Tower, as well as the strategist of the Great Warriors. I agree Season 3 hasn't done him justice in this regard, but we're clearly meant to believe he's the furthest thing from a dumbass or a schizo.
I don't see at all how Urek tanked Disconnection there. To me, it clearly looks like Disconnection got summoned right below him, and just before it hits him he destroys it with a punch. Gustang's dialogue also suggests that.
And well, Gustang's assessment of Urek there might be true or wrong, but it's the only thing we have. And the only thing we have doesn't suggest at all Urek can tank Disconnection with no damage and no guard. If that was truly what happened on-panel, it's impossible Gustang would have said that.
This is the same brother who saw Urek snuff out the nuch more superior Eurasia blossoms flames casually and yet thought a stronger Disconnection would have Urek thinking on how to destroy it.
Yeah, Gustang lost his mind without a doubt.
And if Disconnection was supposed to be a distance away from Urek then he would use a fist as concentrated cannon like he did against V and the Revos who were in fact what you call a distance away.
But Urek literally just crouched down and met it level below him with his fist.
Wait a minute... Urek punched a spark of Blossom's flame boostered by Gustang's obki. IF Urek's fist is comparable to the flame of Blossom, the true one, what is the big deal here? It's just logic. Urek and Blossom are kings in AP.
Also, I can't really see how Traumerei summoned the bang surrounding Urek... He sent a bang towards him and we know the bang wasn't full powered ((c'mom, we saw Traumerei throwing hundreds or thousands of those towards Gustang). Urek is the strongest man, probably only Zahard with his fate king powers will compare, but he is not invincible. If he gets hit by smth, he will feel It. If at 25% he was getting damaged by Luslec's spell, It's just logical a Family Head would damage him at 100% If he does not counter It.
That aside, Gustang is probably the one who knows Urek better than most, or do you think Gustang didn't watch Urek using his skills before? Gustang literally implies he did. Be it against Arie Hon or Cuadrado, Gustang's seen Urek fight before. Even If Gustang can't gauge correctly how strong a full powered Disconnection or a Serious Urek would be, he at least knows Urek went against Arie Sword and was better than Hon to a point where he compared Urek to his loved wife. He knows Urek is the strongest, he knows Urek fought the Arie Sword, and still believed Urek wouldn't shrug a full powered disconnection forever.
All this basically tell us these are characters in the same league, with Urek being at the top.
That aside, Gustang is probably the one who knows Urek better than most, or do you think Gustang didn't watch Urek using his skills before? Gustang literally implies he did. Be it against Arie Hon or Cuadrado, Gustang's seen Urek fight before. Even If Gustang can't gauge correctly how strong a full powered Disconnection or a Serious Urek would be, he at least knows Urek went against Arie Sword and was better than Hon to a point where he compared Urek to his loved wife. He knows Urek is the strongest, he knows Urek fought the Arie Sword, and still believed Urek wouldn't shrug a full powered disconnection forever.
Nope, Gustang made an estimation on Urek from the best he's seen, he didn't see Urek fight Arie for sure because he's not on that floor and can't just take of the test.
By direct actual comparison Arie Hon has seen far more than Gustang and is by far the better judge considering he pushed him far more than what Gustang and Traum ever could.
They actually fought to a standstill even if Urek was holding hack still.
Besides, Gustang believes he can kill Urek and Zahard, dude is definitely high on something.
And these are his words from the official webtoon translation.
"I bet it wasn't easy for him to break through Rupture at full force".
Dude was literally denying reality before his own eyes and making pure guesses.
I don't understand why you compare him to Hell Joe. Even Baam's suit is intact. Trust me, Baam's shirt is the most easily torn thing I've ever seen.
Gustang's shirt was torn by Disconnect. As I said, Disconnect is a special effect attack. No one has a similar technique yet.
In the fight with Luslec, Luslec and his suit were intact even though he took a direct hit from Urek.
I'm not underestimating Urek, but it's a fact that Urek still gets damaged (and bleeds) from other people's attacks (Baam and Luslec). His durability is not invincible.
You think Luslec's spells hurt Urek but Disconnect doesn't?
Traumerei is undoubtedly stronger than Luslec.
I'm not underestimating Urek, but it's a fact that Urek still gets damaged (and bleeds) from other people's attacks (Baam and Luslec). His durability is not invincible.
You think Luslec's spells hurt Urek but Disconnect doesn't?
Traumerei is undoubtedly stronger than Luslec.
I don't understand why you compare him to Hell Joe. Even Baam's suit is intact. Trust me, Baam's shirt is the most easily torn thing I've ever seen.
Gustang's shirt was torn by Disconnect. As I said, Disconnect is a special effect attack. No one has a similar technique yet.
In the fight with Luslec, Luslec and his suit were intact even though he took a direct hit from Urek.
I said, the effect of Disconnect cannot be blocked, it can only be destroyed. That is the effect of that technique and it is the ultimate technique of Traumerei.
No matter what you say, everyone here sees that Disconnect cannot be blocked by the body. Durability is irrelevant, its effect takes effect immediately upon being touched.
"Anything not connected to Traumerei will be disconnected".
It is in fact your bare body, you're litetally just strengthening it, that's what shinsoo reinforcent is.
it's not armor, it's steroids basically.
When Jinsung was reinforced, nobody was talking about how strong his armor was, they just kept wanking about how strong his body was even though he was using shinsoo.
Now coating your entire body in a buttload of shinsoo aura like Traum did is where it's no longer your bare body.
another example is what Zahard did with his shinsoo too and what Baam does, or what the Khun family does
I said, the effect of Disconnect cannot be blocked, it can only be destroyed. That is the effect of that technique and it is the ultimate technique of Traumerei.
No matter what you say, everyone here sees that Disconnect cannot be blocked by the body. Durability is irrelevant, its effect takes effect immediately upon being touched.
"Anything not connected to Traumerei will be disconnected".
Hunos did not block it. It just did not get affected by it as it was something outside the tower. It had that special intangibility, not extreme durability, because it was from the outside. Indeed, if you can tank the disconnect than we can forget about anything FH power, irregular, shinwonryu or any cool thing ever happened in ToG. It should be conceptually untankable and it is, untankable.
And I am also amazed by how a part of Luslec's dark change cloth torn apart means that he could have been blitzed with 25 % reinforced Urek I do get that Urek or a FH is supposed to be stronger than Luslec but come on xD
Urek is the strongest man, probably only Zahard with his fate king powers will compare, but he is not invincible. If he gets hit by smth, he will feel It. If at 25% he was getting damaged by Luslec's spell, It's just logical a Family Head would damage him at 100% If he does not counter It.
And I am also amazed by how a part of Luslec's dark change cloth torn apart means that he could have been blitzed with 25 % reinforced Urek I do get that Urek or a FH is supposed to be stronger than Luslec but come on xD
Hunos did not block it. It just did not get affected by it as it was something outside the tower. It had that special intangibility, not extreme durability, because it was from the outside. Indeed, if you can tank the disconnect than we can forget about anything FH power, irregular, shinwonryu or any cool thing ever happened in ToG. It should be conceptually untankable and it is, untankable.
It is in fact your bare body, you're litetally just strengthening it, that's what shinsoo reinforcent is.
it's not armor, it's steroids basically.
When Jinsung was reinforced, nobody was talking about how strong his armor was, they just kept wanking about how strong his body was even though he was using shinsoo.
Now coating your entire body in a buttload of shinsoo aura like Traum did is where it's no longer your bare body.
another example is what Zahard did with his shinsoo too and what Baam does, or what the Khun family does
If you have 30% shinsoo reinforcement, it means you have 0%.
Try to name 10 of Urek's attacks that are not shinsoo reinforcement. While his fighting techniques are basically just shinsoo reinforcement.
For example, if he blocks a blow by buffing 100% shinsoo reinforcement into durability, you still consider it as bare body. Even if he buffs 100% shinsoo reinforcement into a punch, you still consider it as bare fist.
Hunos is basically an illusion creator. You can read ch.639 (ss3 ep 222) again and open your eyes. You only give wrong information.
Hunos CAN NOT block Disconnect. View media item 29561Traumerei used Disconnect to erase the illusion (and it worked) but it was not the main body so Hunos (standing behind Gustang) could still create more illusions.
After upgrading to 3D Disconnect, Traumerei destroyed Hunos (the main body).
This is the same brother who saw Urek snuff out the nuch more superior Eurasia blossoms flames casually and yet thought a stronger Disconnection would have Urek thinking on how to destroy it.
This can make perfect sense. Blossom's flame is the apex predator of concepts. From what we saw, it seems more specialized in concepts than physical things. It could be the case that Urek's fist is the opposite of that, and thus, it struggles more with concepts than physical things (considering how he destroyed that evil monster, the specialization towards physical things is not too unlikely).
Between the strategist of the Great Warriors having sub-40 IQ with brain damage, and your interpretation being completely wrong, I'd say the latter is far more likely.
And if Disconnection was supposed to be a distance away from Urek then he would use a fist as concentrated cannon like he did against V and the Revos who were in fact what you call a distance away.
But Urek literally just crouched down and met it level below him with his fist.
His fist against Disconnection seems to have created an explosion of power right from below the spot where he hit. You can see waves of energy coming out of the fist after Disconnection has been destroyed. It's likely that the fist shot an explosion of energy, and that energy is what wiped Disconnect (which was on the verge of touching him).
At any rate, considering the paneling and the statement, it's practically impossible that Urek tanked Disconnection with his bare body unharmed there. He's meant to have countered it with a punch.
If you have 30% shinsoo reinforcement, it means you have 0%.
Try to name 10 of Urek's attacks that are not shinsoo reinforcement. While his fighting techniques are basically just shinsoo reinforcement.
For example, if he blocks a blow by buffing 100% shinsoo reinforcement into durability, you still consider it as bare body. Even if he buffs 100% shinsoo reinforcement into a punch, you still consider it as bare fist.
Nobody said Jinsung nor Kallavan were cheating when they reinforced their bodies.
Story entirely attributes the effects of their super durable body to how strong it is.
The same thing applies to Dumas who is practically covered in shinsoo from head to toe and even armour, the story still attributes all that freaking durability to his bare body which is stronger than his own armour.
The story treats reinforcement, either advanced or basic forms as proof of your natural body's strength.
Look at Baam with all his reinforcement, that boy still bleeds from a cut, an exaggeration but you get what i mean.
So yes, basic Shinsoo reinforcement as the name goes is still your bare body, especially considering the fact it's broken into sub-levels here in the case of Urek.
This can make perfect sense. Blossom's flame is the apex predator of concepts. From what we saw, it seems more specialized in concepts than physical things. It could be the case that Urek's fist is the opposite of that, and thus, it struggles more with concepts than physical things (considering how he destroyed that evil monster, the specialization towards physical things is not too unlikely).
Blossoms flames are destruction incarnate, that it burns both the physical and conceptual equally.
Eurasia permanently wiped out the civilization of a floor with this shit on accide.
Urek didn't show any physical struggle between destroying the flames and shattering disconnection, not even when Traum and Gustang threw both at him combined before V interfered.
V's last minute trick caused more trouble for Urek than Disconnection and the flames, i don't think we can even deny this.
Like i said, Gustang was literally denying reality before his eyes.
Between the strategist of the Great Warriors having sub-40 IQ with brain damage, and your interpretation being completely wrong, I'd say the latter is far more likely.
His fist against Disconnection seems to have created an explosion of power right from below the spot where he hit. You can see waves of energy coming out of the fist after Disconnection has been destroyed. It's likely that the fist shot an explosion of energy, and that energy is what wiped Disconnect (which was on the verge of touching him).
Nobody said Jinsung nor Kallavan were cheating when they reinforced their bodies.
Story entirely attributes the effects of their super durable body to how strong it is.
The same thing applies to Dumas who is practically covered in shinsoo from head to toe and even armour, the story still attributes all that freaking durability to his bare body which is stronger than his own armour.
The story treats reinforcement, either advanced or basic forms as proof of your natural body's strength.
Look at Baam with all his reinforcement, that boy still bleeds from a cut, an exaggeration but you get what i mean.
So yes, basic Shinsoo reinforcement as the name goes is still your bare body, especially considering the fact it's broken into sub-levels here in the case of Urek.
That just proves the poorness of Urek's technique. Basically anyone uses shinsoo for durability and attack.
The world fights with creativity and knowledge while Urek does not.
So I can say that Urek with all his power could never block Disconnect with his body.
That just proves the poorness of Urek's technique. Basically anyone uses shinsoo for durability and attack.
The world fights with creativity and knowledge while Urek does not.
So I can say that Urek with all his power could never block Disconnect with his body.
Yeah, but then again by his own mouth he doesn't need the nonsense complications.
The only person in the tower who proven capable of breaking spells or rip them apart with his physical body is Urek.
The only person in the tower who can use their physical body to break a conceptual attack like Disconnection and snuff out Destruction itself was Urek.
And i can say with already provided evidence, Urek already tanked Disconnection easily, Traumerei straight up threw at him and it did shit.
Gustang can keep his creativity and knowledge since I see him as the peak of it as a reality warper, all that will not save him if Urek had decided he wanted to end him on the spot with said "poor technique", freaking lol.
Yeah, but then again by his own mouth he doesn't need the nonsense complications.
The only person in the tower who proven capable of breaking spells or rip them apart with his physical body is Urek.
The only person in the tower who can use their physical body to break a conceptual attack like Disconnection and snuff out Destruction itself was Urek.
And i can say with already provided evidence, Urek already tanked Disconnection easily, Traumerei straight up threw at him and it did shit.
Gustang can keep his creativity and knowledge since I see him as the peak of it as a reality warper, all that will not save him if Urek had decided he wanted to end him on the spot with said "poor technique", freaking lol.
Seriously?
Hit it, it did shit and then immediately called fir Valhalla to save his ass.
I'm wondering if you don't understand or are deliberately misrepresenting the truth.
It's an illusion.
Can't you tell the difference between an illusion and the real body?
Can't you see that Traumerei is ordering Valhalla to find the real body?
Only you believe that Urek can block Disconnect with the body and the rest don't.
It's an illusion.
Can't you tell the difference between an illusion and the real body?
Can't you see that Traumerei is ordering Valhalla to find the real body?
The attack was LITERALLY thrown against the main body which was floating behind Gustang.
And when Valhalla attacked Unos, Gustang left adn Traum set out to find him in the vines which he speculated is where he went to.
Valhalla was attacking the main body in his stead, he didn't order Valhalla to find the main body, it was already friggin there throwing hands or whatever it is with Valhalla.
The attack was LITERALLY thrown against the main body which was floating behind Gustang.
And when Valhalla attacked Unos, Gustang left adn Traum set out to find him in the vines which he speculated is where he went to.
Valhalla was attacking the main body in his stead, he didn't order Valhalla to find the main body, it was already friggin there throwing hands or whatever it is with Valhalla.
I think you didn't read the story or your reading comprehension is really bad.
First attack: Disconnect slashes through Gustang and it's not blocked. This attack only hits Gustang, not Hunos. But this is just an illusion. View media item 29562
Second attack: Valhalla is fighting Hunos. Disconnect slashes through and it's not blocked. But it's still an illusion. Hunos' body is standing on the other side (but it could be another illusion). View media item 29563
Third attack: Disconnect wipes out all illusions and it's not blocked. View media item 29561
Where do you say it's blocked? While all of 2D Disconnect's slashes go through.
Everyone said the disconnect ball appeared in front of Urek. You were the only one who said Urek was inside it. You thought everyone was blind but you weren't???
Everyone said Disconnect was an effect that had nothing to do with durability, and you weren't. You thought everyone didn't understand Disconnect but you did???
I think you didn't read the story or your reading comprehension is really bad.
First attack: Disconnect slashes through Gustang and it's not blocked. This attack only hits Gustang, not Hunos. But this is just an illusion. Disconnect VS Hunos_1.jpg
Second attack: Valhalla is fighting Hunos. Disconnect slashes through and it's not blocked. But it's still an illusion. Hunos' body is standing on the other side (but it could be another illusion). Disconnect VS Hunos_2.jpg
Everyone said the disconnect ball appeared in front of Urek. You were the only one who said Urek was inside it. You thought everyone was blind but you weren't???
Everyone said Disconnect was an effect that had nothing to do with durability, and you weren't. You thought everyone didn't understand Disconnect but you did???
I do get that Urek or a FH is supposed to be stronger than Luslec but come on xD
