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[Anne isn't a TT]

Where y'all think Dumas ranks in 10 GFs?

Let's look at the great family structure. Usually there are 2 reagents in each family based on what we have seen. Among these two reagents, one is brain while another one is brawn.

Brain(Kirin and Proust) are second only to FLs in hierarchy inside the battleship and manage the family for FLs. They are strong in defense.

Brawn(Robadon and Dumas) are second only to FLs in fighting ability. They are well known and respected by their enemies. They have greater firepower.

Now assuming this structure is same in each great family, do y'all think Dumas atleast rank inside top 10 strongest? Can he defeat the brains of top 3 great families? Esp since we know none has seen his real strength. While we are at it, I wouldn't mind to see evaluation of Robadon too.

I will not count Adori and Anne since they now belong to Jahad family.

 

[Lonatian]

The Arie, Khun, Ha, and Eurassia families would take the top 10.
Even though Dumas was very strong compared to those at the Sprout at that time. But the Po Bidau family was not a strong enough family to be considered.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

The Arie, Khun, Ha, and Eurassia families would take the top 10.
Even though Dumas was very strong compared to those at the Sprout at that time. But the Po Bidau family was not a strong enough family to be considered.

I think the strength of the family depends on the average strength of it. If we just look at PB family, except for Dumas and Tiara, everyone seems weak. Some can be exceptions. Dumas is also unkillable to other reagents. I doubt the difference will be that big similar to Karaka and kallavan that they can subdue like kallavan said. On top of that he even has one of ten carriers. So both aspects of defense and offense are covered.

Likewise Robadon has plants. We have seen plants seems to be special. Like Mirchea using plants in spells, the sprout itself, Rei being unable to control plants and so on. Esp that statement comes from JH who is knowledgeable. The fact that he said one of the strongest tells me he should be atleast in top 10.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I don't realistically expect him to be comparable to any Regent of the Arie, Khun and Ha Families. Assuming these families have 2 Regents each, he would at best rank #7. Counting Great Family Princesses like Adori or Enne would put him even lower. Considering the hype SIU has given Princesses in Season 3, I think even other Great Family Princesses like Maschenny could be stronger once they go all-out.

Beyond that is anyone's guess. With Baam's statement of maybe no one having seen his true strength, there's a chance that all his portrayal of being Po Bidau's most reliable warrior and one of the strongest among GFs is just about the much weaker armored self. If that's the case, his true body could potentially rank quite high in the Regent ladder, but again, no way to tell, since we don't have a clue about the gimmicks and circumstances of other Regents.

Realistically, he wouldn't be any less than Top 20. Very optimistically, he could be at the bottom side of Top 10, but I doubt it (and if we count Princesses I'd say that becomes practically impossible). Generally, I expect him to be in the middle pack among Regents, alongside Robadon. People like Proust and Kirin would be at the bottom pack, and people like the Arie/Khun/Ha Regents at the high end.

 

[Lonatian]

I think the strength of the family depends on the average strength of it. If we just look at PB family, except for Dumas and Tiara, everyone seems weak. Some can be exceptions. Dumas is also unkillable to other reagents. I doubt the difference will be that big similar to Karaka and kallavan that they can subdue like kallavan said. On top of that he even has one of ten carriers. So both aspects of defense and offense are covered.

Likewise Robadon has plants. We have seen plants seems to be special. Like Mirchea using plants in spells, the sprout itself, Rei being unable to control plants and so on. Esp that statement comes from JH who is knowledgeable. The fact that he said one of the strongest tells me he should be atleast in top 10.

I don't think it's simply an average of family strength. A family's strength depends on their army/the high rankers of that family. The High Rankers of the Po Bidau family that appeared with Gustang at the last station were all strong.
To be honest, when Jinsung go there to steal the book, he considers Dumas wasn't a big deal and he thinks he can beat him. For example, the Ha twins, did he even think about fighting?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

The High Rankers of the Po Bidau family that appeared with Gustang at the last station were all strong

Nah, only Dumas turns out to be strong. Others weren't.

To be honest, when Jinsung go there to steal the book, he considers Dumas wasn't a big deal and he thinks he can beat him.

He was literally betting on Dumas won't kill him. That's the reason why he even landed a hit on him.

For example, the Ha twins, did he even think about fighting?

Well they aren't canon. Who knows if they even exist. If they don't, how will he think about them?

 

[Lonatian]

Nah, only Dumas turns out to be strong. Others weren't.



He was literally betting on Dumas won't kill him. That's the reason why he even landed a hit on him.



Well they aren't canon. Who knows if they even exist. If they don't, how will he think about them?

There are many reasons to believe that the Ha twins exist. Yuri calls Yurin grandma, which means that the direct line of the Ha family is most likely Yurin's grandchildren. Obviously she must have a strong daughter to pass the power down the generations if she didn't have more children.

Jinsung bet on not being killed but he had thoughts of killing Dumas. Do you think Jinsung would say that with 0 confidence?

Dumas may be the strongest member of Po Bidau family. But he would be as strong as Lobadon at best. And those two would probably be in the top 20 of the 10 great families. The top 10 would have to bet on stronger families.

Also, your theory that Kirin is strong in defense doesn't make sense. He's similar to Bel's position in the Po Bidau family (not Proust's) in a managerial role.
Proust was second in command in the army, above Dumas. To be precise, Proust and Dumas were in the same position as Lobadon - commander of the army.

 

[Demonspeed]

I still don't see why the Khun, Arie and Ha's Number 2-3s should be superior to those from the other families. They are superior as a family, not because everyone is superior as an individual.

He can probably defeat at least one of them.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Idk just MO but I believe his weakness is fire. Gustang KO’d him with a measly flame whereas Bam tanked a fire blast. He was a bit nervous around AA’s blue flame until he realized it didn’t burn

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I still don't see why the Khun, Arie and Ha's Number 2-3s should be superior to those from the other families. They are superior as a family, not because everyone is superior as an individual.

He can probably defeat at least one of them.

If numbers were the game to play here rather than individual strength then Edhuan would have the strongest family by far amongst his peers.


Eitherway it's a matter of blood, Arie Hon's blood created a super monster like Adori even before she received Zahards blood.


and didn't Zahard state that the Arie, Khun and other higher families were too strong to bring anyone of them into the game hence why it settled on Traum as the best option?.

 

[Lonatian]

and didn't Zahard state that the Arie, Khun and other higher families were too strong to bring anyone of them into the game hence why it settled on Traum as the best option?.

Zahard said that the Khun, Arie and Ha families were too powerful to get involved in this war.

So I don't think he was referring to Eduan, Hon and Yurin only.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Jinsung bet on not being killed but he had thoughts of killing Dumas. Do you think Jinsung would say that with 0 confidence?

Where's the logic here? If one of the twins, if they exist for instance was that open instead of dumas, JH will think even killing her. Same for anyone who doesn't try to kill his opponents. When Rak said let's beat Dumas and bring Khun back to life, did he say with 0 confidence? Having confidence and doing it are two different things. Even KH was confident of killing the king in his sleep. Does that make KH not afraid?

Also, your theory that Kirin is strong in defense doesn't make sense. He's similar to Bel's position in the Po Bidau family (not Proust's) in a managerial role.

Bell was just given permission in Gussy place. Proust worked under bell order. Check the convo in 583 with Gussy. Bell isn't even properly a Ranker. Idk why U would compare him with a Kirin who is a HR. Robadon clearly said he left the battleship so Kirin can manage the family without any power struggle.

As for Kirin being strong in defense. Let's look in this way Rei gave divine sea animals. Robadon is clearly strong in offense as confirmed by Kirin himself in 593. Gran Abuelo is for defense which most HRs can't even pierce. They compliment each other. Same for kirin. Kirin being able to tank the punches of Robadon shows he is strong in defense. His divine sea animal is haetae which spews fire. Flames are often seen as offensive powers.

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Eitherway it's a matter of blood, Arie Hon's blood created a super monster like Adori even before she received Zahards blood.

If it's a matter of blood, shouldn't Eurasia be the strongest since she has the most talent? Anne was the most gifted as stated by Rei himself.

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and didn't Zahard state that the Arie, Khun and other higher families were too strong to bring anyone of them into the game hence why it settled on Traum as the best option?

The way I see it if anyone of them were in the war, most likely they would have been annihilated by Gussy. He plays dirty. That's the reason why they were able to kill most LPBs. And if one of the top 3 GFs were to disappear, it will cause the disbalance in the system.

 

[Lonatian]

Where's the logic here? If one of the twins, if they exist for instance was that open instead of dumas, JH will think even killing her. Same for anyone who doesn't try to kill his opponents. When Rak said let's beat Dumas and bring Khun back to life, did he say with 0 confidence? Having confidence and doing it are two different things. Even KH was confident of killing the king in his sleep. Does that make KH not afraid?

That proves that Dumas is not that highly regarded.

Khel's plan was to assassinate Zahard, not have the whole bunch join forces to fight him in a battle.

Rak's confidence is his character, he was a fool from the start. Do you expect him to think before he speaks?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

That proves that Dumas is not that highly regarded.

I have nothing to reply. Just in case U want to change your mind, read 585 and 587 carefully.

Rak's confidence is his character, he was a fool from the start. Do you expect him to think before he speaks?

Rak speaks what he believes. If one doesn't believe in themselves, how can they even win?

 

[Lonatian]

Bell was just given permission in Gussy place. Proust worked under bell order. Check the convo in 583 with Gussy. Bell isn't even properly a Ranker. Idk why U would compare him with a Kirin who is a HR. Robadon clearly said he left the battleship so Kirin can manage the family without any power struggle.

As for Kirin being strong in defense. Let's look in this way Rei gave divine sea animals. Robadon is clearly strong in offense as confirmed by Kirin himself in 593. Gran Abuelo is for defense which most HRs can't even pierce. They compliment each other. Same for kirin. Kirin being able to tank the punches of Robadon shows he is strong in defense. His divine sea animal is haetae which spews fire. Flames are often seen as offensive powers.

I'm talking about the regent position, not the strength.
Kirin and Bel are both commanders of their mothership.
Lobadon, Proust, and Dumas are commanders of their army.
It has nothing to do with offense or defense.

If you consider carefully at Kirin's words in chapter 593, it's clear that he thinks that the tree doesn't suit Lobadon's style of warrior. Kirin also said that he doesn't understand why Traumerei gave the tree to Lobadon.

Traumerei sends his creatures to the branch heads including Kirin and Lobadon. It enhances their power. To me, Haetae is clearly an offensive specialist, and the tree is suited for defense.

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I have nothing to reply. Just in case U want to change your mind, read 585 and 587 carefully.




Rak speaks what he believes. If one doesn't believe in themselves, how can they even win?

As I said, Dumas is strong but he's same level as Lobadon at best. Those two could be in the top 20. But top 10 are uncertain.
I believe Zahard's words, he wouldn't lie to Traumerei for fun.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I'm talking about the regent position, not the strength.
Kirin and Bel are both commanders of their mothership.
Lobadon, Proust, and Dumas are commanders of their army.

Make no mistake. There is no officially reagent position in the first place. It's a term given by fans when Perseus if I am right told there are 2 people who they don't dare to challenge and can fill the FLs position in his place. I think it was S3 Ep 105/6. Check that out. Based on this, the reagent position is clearly affiliated with the strength.

If you consider carefully at Kirin's words in chapter 593, it's clear that he thinks that the tree doesn't suit Lobadon's style of warrior. Kirin also said that he doesn't understand why Traumerei gave the tree to Lobadon.

It clearly suits. Maybe not to kirin but to Rei. Robadon infield Army is called strongest force in LPB. But except for Robadon, none is that strong. Robadon clearly cares about his army and abuelo can give somewhat protection to them like in 590. Yas was confident of killing everyone except for Robadon.

I believe Zahard's words, he wouldn't lie to Traumerei for fun.

None is denying Jahad's words. They have been established as top 3 families. LPB family is also clearly stronger than PB family. Even Rei is stronger than Gussy. He won't be his match if not for the blossoms flame. LPBs was perfect to deal with PBs. But like I said, if PBs were to face any of them, they would have been annihilated. Even Gussy would have been killed but he plays dirty. He, himself would have killed most of that top family making that family drop in rankings

 

[Lonatian]

Make no mistake. There is no officially reagent position in the first place. It's a term given by fans when Perseus if I am right told there are 2 people who they don't dare to challenge and can fill the FLs position in his place. I think it was S3 Ep 105/6. Check that out. Based on this, the reagent position is clearly affiliated with the strength.

So where does it say that Kirin and Lobadon's strength is defense and offense?
Those two are basically the first two children of Traumerei. If Kirin agrees to stay on the mothership and Lobadon wants to go outside. That's what those two agreed on.

I don't understand what you're trying to prove. The Lo Po Bia family is not like the Po Bidau family. Dumas and Proust are similar to Lobadon. Lobadon alone holds both offensive and defensive positions in the army. Kirin has nothing to do with this, he chose the administrative job.

Other families also have their own armies, they even have rulers of the floor. The army commanders of the Khun, Arie, Ha and even Eurassia families are definitely stronger than Dumas. Maybe there are at least two to three people in each family who are stronger than him.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

So where does it say that Kirin and Lobadon's strength is defense and offense?

Not everything has to be said U know. Somethings can be interpreted. Check 593 and 641. Kirin admitting Robadon is a monster, him tanking primal punch which stomped Hugo tells us Robadon have greater offense power while Kirin has greater defense power. The divine sea animals they got from Rei also strengths this interpretation.

Those two are basically the first two children of Traumerei. If Kirin agrees to stay on the mothership and Lobadon wants to go outside. That's what those two agreed on

And?? They are still the top 2 people which Perseus talked about.

I don't understand what you're trying to prove. The Lo Po Bia family is not like the Po Bidau family. Dumas and Proust are similar to Lobadon. Lobadon alone holds both offensive and defensive positions in the army. Kirin has nothing to do with this, he chose the administrative job.

Idk what to say. Power speaks in the family. If not for Gussy orders do U think Dumas and Proust will even care about what bellerire thinks? Even ruini didn't approve of him let alone them. Do U think Perseus and others can do to Kirin what tiara did to Bellerire? The term regent is associated with power.

Other families also have their own armies, they even have rulers of the floor. The army commanders of the Khun, Arie, Ha and even Eurassia families are definitely stronger than Dumas. Maybe there are at least two to three people in each family who are stronger than him.

None denies that other don't have armies. I think Ur just hyping Eurasia based on the purple flame. U will not have said that before the war. Also, the difference between Dumas, Robadon and the top 3 reagents will not be that vast. I believe when in same realm, the matchups matter in the fight.
Dumas is also unkillable to them, has one of ten carriers.

 

[Lonatian]

Not everything has to be said U know. Somethings can be interpreted. Check 593 and 641. Kirin admitting Robadon is a monster, him tanking primal punch which stomped Hugo tells us Robadon have greater offense power while Kirin has greater defense power. The divine sea animals they got from Rei also strengths this interpretation.




And?? They are still the top 2 people which Perseus talked about.




Idk what to say. Power speaks in the family. If not for Gussy orders do U think Dumas and Proust will even care about what bellerire thinks? Even ruini didn't approve of him let alone them. Do U think Perseus and others can do to Kirin what tiara did to Bellerire? The term regent is associated with power.





None denies that other don't have armies. I think Ur just hyping Eurasia based on the purple flame. U will not have said that before the war. Also, the difference between Dumas, Robadon and the top 3 reagents will not be that vast. I believe when in same realm, the matchups matter in the fight.
Dumas is also unkillable to them, has one of ten carriers.

This is simply because you think Dumas will be stronger than the top 2 (or 3) of the 4 families above and I don't.
I don't think highly of the Po Bidau family. I also don't think highly of the members of that family. It's absurd to me that their family is weaker but their members are stronger than the commanders of other families.

As for the Eurassia family, that's another matter. I explained in another post that I believe that family members are very strong because they inherited Blossom's talent. I also believe that the Po Bidau family members are nothing compared to them. During the tower climbing process, not a single Po Bidau family member appeared, it can be said that most of them probably don't climb towers (or they specialize in research). Meanwhile, with a branch of the Eurassia family like Phonsekai already having very strong regulars, imagine how strong that branch leader is. With Blossom's personality, (of course just my guess) she won't be involved in management or interfere in internal matters as much as Traumerei or Gustang. And her army will be managed by the strongest of the strong.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

The way I see it if anyone of them were in the war, most likely they would have been annihilated by Gussy. He plays dirty. That's the reason why they were able to kill most LPBs. And if one of the top 3 GFs were to disappear, it will cause the disbalance in the system.

No, not even possible at all.

The reason we got from the big boss himself was that they were too powerful to come into this war against the Po Bidaus.


Not that they would be wiped out by Gustangs dirty tactics because the amount of freedom allowed to him by Traum to do that nonsense in the first place won't fly with someone like Arie Hon who's a no bullshit person.


It would be like Gustang trying to destroy Wolhaiksong while Urek is right there.

If it's a matter of blood, shouldn't Eurasia be the strongest since she has the most talent? Anne was the most gifted as stated by Rei himself.

Eurasia isn't stated to be he strongest, she's stated to be the best wave controller, aka the best in her position far surpassing Gustang.

If she were anywhere near the most talented of their group she'd be equals with Zahard.