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She took over the throttle ability but nothing suggest she can use it now. Perhaps she has to understand and train to master this new ability to use it perfectly at will.

See Laxus : he unlocked RL accidently vs Walh Icht but couldn't use it vs Acnologia. He trained to master it for nearly a year, as he could exploit it vs Erza.
Same for Natsu who needed 10 month (if I remember well) to unlock Igneel's legacy.

So Mirajane's new gain is a "potential ressource". We will take it into account when she will use it officially in the Manga, like she did with Macro.

I think both women are close in QcQ level, but Mira has no defense against Kiria's hax mastery.
But where was it mentioned that training is required to use the forms? Take Over is a spell in which you swallow the creature, including its features, everything. So much so that Elfman easily used the Aldoron-empowered arm to amplify his physical strength the moment he acquired the dragon arm.
 

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And Gray struggled with Mira and he managed to beat Viernes (albeit human form) but still stronger than weakened DGs.
Gray faced a friend, a quite powerful one, but still not a true "enemy".

Gray was powerless against Vierness in all his classic ressources until he managed to really understand what a "magic maker" really is, unlocking a new potential. This Gray is vastly more than the one who faced Mirajane on Aldoron. My god, this Gray was period his Spriggan period' shadow' self. :)

And seriously, as shown so far in last chapters, A Team is vastly above B Team (bar Laxus who will be seen soon).

But where was it mentioned that training is required to use the forms? Take Over is a spell in which you swallow the creature, including its features, everything. So much so that Elfman easily used the Aldoron-empowered arm to amplify his physical strength the moment he acquired the dragon arm.
I only consider what it was seen, nothing less. I know Mirajane gained it. I will use it in consideration when she will use it, showing us the level of her new spell by herself.

Just like I know Lucy has Merc's key but I still don't consider it until she can use it, showing the power she can exploit with it.

I am also convince that Erza hides an another enchant : all her new abilities are linked to the one she loves : Natsu & Grey (her brothers in sort), Jellal (her belove), Belserion (Dragon Slayer ability linked her mother). She considers Makarov has a father. Her ultimate spell will be link to him (Law + Nakagami ?). But without seeing it, it's still "potential".

For Elfman he used it onscreen. His brutal strength is a direct comparison to Alegria as finishers which is an incredible amp for the bro.
 
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Gray faced a friend, a quite powerful one, but still not a true "enemy".

Gray was powerless against Vierness in all his classic ressources until he managed to really understand what a "magic maker" really is, unlocking a new potential. This Gray is vastly more than the one who faced Mirajane on Aldoron. My god, this Gray was period his Spriggan period' shadow' self. :)



I only consider what it was seen, nothing less. I know Mirajane gained it. I will use it in consideration when she will use it, showing us the level of her new spell by herself.

Just like I know Lucy has Merc's key but I still don't consider it until she can use it, showing the power she can exploit with it.

I am also convince that Erza hides an another enchant : all her new abilities are linked to the one she loves : Natsu & Grey (her brothers in sort), Jellal (her belove), Belserion (Dragon Slayer ability linked her mother). She considers Makarov has a father. Her ultimate spell will be link to him (Law + Nakagami ?). But without seeing it, it's still "potential".

For Elfman he used it onscreen. His brutal strength is a direct comparison to Alegria as finishers which is an incredible amp for the bro.
It is stated in chapter 139 that they have no problem beating their guildmates into submission as they do that all the time.

for Gray he did use strategy that helped him but he still used power in the end combined to beat him.
 
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they have no idea beating their guildmate
So why Laxus asked Erza to stop holding back, leaking it was not a querell between friends anymore ? Why Natsu didn't use more than LFD against Gajeel like FDK ?

They were serious to an extend, yes, like when they are brawling in the Guild. The others were brainwatched with specific orders : killing the opponent of the White Doctrine & destroy the orbs.


for Gray he did use strategy that helped him but he still used power in the end combined to beat him.
Gray has demonstrated feats and potential vs Vierness Mirajane can't touch anymore. Unless you consider Mirajane can put a beating on Selene currently to a comparative. Mirajane is a beast but not on serious Grey and Natsu's level when they don't act as cheerleaders. Gildarts, Laxus, Erza, Natsu and Grey can't be approach by the others when they are serious. It a statut quo. With all respect to Mira as I consider a powerful wizard.
 

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Gray faced a friend, a quite powerful one, but still not a true "enemy".

Gray was powerless against Vierness in all his classic ressources until he managed to really understand what a "magic maker" really is, unlocking a new potential. This Gray is vastly more than the one who faced Mirajane on Aldoron. My god, this Gray was period his Spriggan period' shadow' self. :)

And seriously, as shown so far in last chapters, A Team is vastly above B Team (bar Laxus who will be seen soon).



I only consider what it was seen, nothing less. I know Mirajane gained it. I will use it in consideration when she will use it, showing us the level of her new spell by herself.

Just like I know Lucy has Merc's key but I still don't consider it until she can use it, showing the power she can exploit with it.

I am also convince that Erza hides an another enchant : all her new abilities are linked to the one she loves : Natsu & Grey (her brothers in sort), Jellal (her belove), Belserion (Dragon Slayer ability linked her mother). She considers Makarov has a father. Her ultimate spell will be link to him (Law + Nakagami ?). But without seeing it, it's still "potential".

For Elfman he used it onscreen. His brutal strength is a direct comparison to Alegria as finishers which is an incredible amp for the bro.
Oh, I see, that’s your personal opinion. I can understand that.

I just pointed out that Take Over doesn’t work the way you described. It doesn’t require any training to use the abilities of the absorbed being, since the user gains all of the target’s characteristics, including their consciousness. It’s no surprise that this is exactly how Elfman lost control of the creature in the past.
 

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What ???? How does she outscale the whole Diabolos guild ? So according to you Mira > Georg ? According to you Mira > Kirin/Suzaku/Misaki/Haku ? This level of wank is completely crazy.
Your inability to read manga properly is crazy. Daemon melted Aldoron and Mira scales above her. Diabolos got off paneled by Selene.
 

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So why Laxus asked Erza to stop holding back, leaking it was not a querell between friends anymore ? Why Natsu didn't use more than LFD against Gajeel like FDK ?

They were serious to an extend, yes, like when they are brawling in the Guild. The others were brainwatched with specific orders : killing the opponent of the White Doctrine & destroy the orbs.




Gray has demonstrated feats and potential vs Vierness Mirajane can't touch anymore. Unless you consider Mirajane can put a beating on Selene currently to a comparative. Mirajane is a beast but not on serious Grey and Natsu's level when they don't act as cheerleaders. Gildarts, Laxus, Erza, Natsu and Grey can't be approach by the others when they are serious. It a statut quo. With all respect to Mira as I consider a powerful wizard.
It is the thrill of the fight as they like to battle. That doesn’t mean they don’t intend to beat them till they’re out. Leaking? What do you mean? I think you are confusing a sparring that means all but nothing and a knockout/death fight. Mirajane beat Daemon, who destroyed Aldoron’s body, that is above what Gray did with Viernes that is what I am getting at. I would argue with Natsu would be stronger if he fights Ignia alone in DF at the end
 

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Still coping about Erza vs Laxus in 2025 is crazy work. Erza explicitly said she used everything she had against Laxus lol
 

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Are you guys serious about this Mirajane > Diabolus thing?
There are those of us who go by the manga regardless of personal bias then there are those who oppose it due to personal bias. I'm just going to assume that just by asking this, you are the latter.
 

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There are those of us who go by the manga regardless of personal bias then there are those who oppose it due to personal bias. I'm just going to assume that just by asking this, you are the latter.
I think you’re ignoring the narrative of the manga and taking a statement too literally, without understanding the context behind it.

There’s no way Mirajane is stronger than all the members of Diabolos.

Daemon is a powerful character, yes, but she still belongs to the general power level of the group she was part of. And we’ve seen that her allies weren’t exactly impressive, aside from Gaia, Daemon herself, and Zero, the rest were mediocre at best.

Also, Mirajane admitted during the Aldoron arc that she wasn’t sure if she could defeat Skullion, which implies that their power levels were somewhat close.

Even if we assume she became stronger, it’s unrealistic to think she experienced such a massive power jump that she’d surpass characters like Gray, who needed both Wendy’s help and Viernes’s arrogance to win against the human form of a Dragon God.

That much should be obvious to most readers. Do you really think Mashima believes Mira is stronger than all the Diabolos members?

Mashima himself has said that he doesn’t even know who would win between Laxus and Suzaku, and we all know Laxus is far stronger than Mira. That’s been made clear several times in the manga.

Honestly, you’ve got to be kidding me.
 

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Your inability to read manga properly is crazy. Daemon melted Aldoron and Mira scales above her. Diabolos got off paneled by Selene.
There are those of us who go by the manga regardless of personal bias then there are those who oppose it due to personal bias. I'm just going to assume that just by asking this, you are the latter.
Wowwww don't even know what to say atp... You’re kidding those who don't read the manga and have bias but look at you. You’re inventing things out of nowhere to overestimate Mirajane and think she beats a whole bunch of characters who gave Natsu Laxus Erza and Wendy problems. You’re clearly the biased one here 🤡

You act like Daemon or Mira wouldn't get stomped by Selene. And she was only able to affect Aldoron because he’s made of wood, or do you think she can do it to any DG like Ignia Selene or Mercphobia ?
 

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@Rigel to be fair, Diabolos did absolutely nothing impressive this entire arc, even with Wendy’s help, and we have characters who are not the top fighters who have fought and beaten full power DG. Diabolos have failed to use their second opportunity to actually help and they did not and remained behind.

I don’t put Mira above all Diabolos all together, but individually, yes.

but at the end of the day, the story is titled “Fairy Tail”, not “Dragon’s Tail” lol
 

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@Rigel to be fair, Diabolos did absolutely nothing impressive this entire arc, even with Wendy’s help, and we have characters who are not the top fighters who have fought and beaten full power DG. Diabolos have failed to use their second opportunity to actually help and they did not and remained behind.

I don’t put Mira above all Diabolos all together, but individually, yes.

but at the end of the day, the story is titled “Fairy Tail”, not “Dragon’s Tail” lol
They had to face Selene in Dragon form. And let's face it, they're not the main characters, so Mashima didn't want to waste time highlighting them.

Mira faced Daemon and won; she didn't face a Dragon God.

I don't think the comparison is entirely fair.
 

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They had to face Selene in Dragon form. And let's face it, they're not the main characters, so Mashima didn't want to waste time highlighting them.

Mira faced Daemon and won; she didn't face a Dragon God.

I don't think the comparison is entirely fair.
Wendy faced her in dragon form as well, and Wendy should be stronger than Lucy who was (while with Brandish power up) could hold her own with Merc at full power too. Daemon did face one and destroyed it’s body.
 

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Wendy faced her in dragon form as well, and Wendy should be stronger than Lucy who was (while with Brandish power up) could hold her own with Merc at full power too. Daemon did face one and destroyed it’s body.
I don't understand.

Is Wendy stronger than Lucy and Brandish combined?

Selene the dragon ignored Wendy, so much so that she was teleported by accident.
 

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I don't understand.

Is Wendy stronger than Lucy and Brandish combined?

Selene the dragon ignored Wendy, so much so that she was teleported by accident.
With her “Full Potential” yeah, considering that Wendy didn‘t go all out against Selene would make sense for the latter’s behavior, when Wendy actually does take her seriously she overpowered her.
 

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With her “Full Potential” yeah, considering that Wendy didn‘t go all out against Selene would make sense for the latter’s behavior, when Wendy actually does take her seriously she overpowered her.
She took advantage of Selene's moment of distraction to remove the lacrima. At no point did Selene identify Wendy as an enemy.

Wendy's only deed was to inflict damage on the human Selene. Nothing more.

Why are you treating this like a battle? Wendy never dominated Selene.

And how could Wendy be stronger than the combined power of Lucy and Brandish, when those two, with the help of the lacrima, were able to return the dragon Merc to normal?
 

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She took advantage of Selene's moment of distraction to remove the lacrima. At no point did Selene identify Wendy as an enemy.

Wendy's only deed was to inflict damage on the human Selene. Nothing more.

Why are you treating this like a battle? Wendy never dominated Selene.

And how could Wendy be stronger than the combined power of Lucy and Brandish, when those two, with the help of the lacrima, were able to return the dragon Merc to normal?
not really distraction more as moment of pain, Battle requires too opposing sides, she attacked first and Wendy overpowered it.


The lacrima did nothing but depowered Merc once destroyed, it was all Lucy and Brandish who injured him. Considering that it took the two combined and Wendy Survived attacks from Selene prior to Selene’s arrival to Viernes location.
 

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not really distraction more as moment of pain, Battle requires too opposing sides, she attacked first and Wendy overpowered it.


The lacrima did nothing but depowered Merc once destroyed, it was all Lucy and Brandish who injured him. Considering that it took the two combined and Wendy Survived attacks from Selene prior to Selene’s arrival to Viernes location.
Selene wasn't taking Wendy seriously; just compare her reaction to Viernes and attacking him with various spells in the same chapter.

Using this as an argument to say that Wendy overpowered the human Selene isn't very ethical.

As for Lucy and Brandish, Brandish's plan consisted of Lucy throwing Mercphobia's body into a lacrima filled with Dragon Slayer magic.

Lucy and Brandish themselves didn't inflict any damage on him, but rather caused his body to come into contact with the gigantic lacrima containing Dragon Slayer magic. This is explained.

Wendy never faced Dragon Selene; it's said she was chasing Selene when she was accidentally teleported along with her.

Selene never took Wendy seriously.
 
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