Discussion Scaling Urek and Enryu

[Demonspeed]

Aburion was wrong though. He wasn't able to sense that mago has not take most of his powers.

I don't think he was wrong. He was comparing Urek to his previous peak or to the strength he had when they last met. Even without Mago, Urek had already lost power.

 

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Aburion was wrong though. He wasn't able to sense that mago has not take most of his powers.

Maybe Aburion was wrong, but it still doesn't disprove my point imo.


In the first panel Urek states that the tower only allows a small amount of light. That small portion of light is what's giving Urek his current power. Imagine, if Urek had access to an abundance of light(which is outside the tower)?

During Urek and Mago's fight, Urek used an extremely casual attack and knocked Mago down. Right after this occurred the dialogue on the second panel took place. The way Urek spoke in the second panel gives me the impression there is large gap in power between his current strength and his prime self.

 

[Strange]

Maybe Aburion was wrong, but it still doesn't disprove my point imo.


In the first panel Urek states that the tower only allows a small amount of light. That small portion of light is what's giving Urek his current power. Imagine, if Urek had access to an abundance of light(which is outside the tower)?

During Urek and Mago's fight, Urek used an extremely casual attack and knocked Mago down. Right after this occurred the dialogue on the second panel took place. The way Urek spoke in the second panel gives me the impression there is large gap in power between his current strength and his prime self.

siu made urek strong , now he nerfed him , otheriwise urek is going catch penta kill all shinies easily and spin off is done and zahard is done also if urek decides that LOL so he nerfed him to the point it can allow other ppl to do some thing, like he never used enryu to kill zahard

so nerfing is going on , so time to time siu may introduce new strong enemies far beyond than these weakling fhs surely , i am sure that we may see many other axisers and even outside stuff , there is no way he used axis word for only urek spin off

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so time to time siu may introduce new strong enemies far beyond than these weakling fhs surely

so urek may unleash his full power there against them

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Enryu finger flicks.

but that doesn’t mean Urek doesn’t finger flick FH as effortlessly.

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This chapter hypes shinsoo so much it’s just the logical conclusion.

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I don’t understand the second option tho.

as I have no idea about Enryu yet.

this is pretty much it isn’t it. So threads like this are just recency bias.

It’ll go away eventually anyways.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Btw we never knew why the thorn was dead and how come the thorn was split into 4 pieces. It all makes sense if u think it all happened in the fight with the guardian. Unless OG can't even give a proper weapon. As per the prophecy he was supposed to deliver the thorn not the fragments

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Since no one is in Enryu's corner, I want to be the one to defend him both inside and outside. But, as I mentioned in the chapters thread, I believe we also need more information on Enryu.

you get used to recency bias.

It’ll be the same once we get to Zahard. then we will get to Enryu, then Phanta.

you have to accept agendas also exist.

 

[RED TOWER]

Btw we never knew why the thorn was dead and how come the thorn was split into 4 pieces. It all makes sense if u think it all happened in the fight with the guardian. Unless OG can't even give a proper weapon. As per the prophecy he was supposed to deliver the thorn not the fragments

There are many people who witnessed Enryu’s battle against the Administrator and survived to tell the tale, and none of them mentioned that Enryu used the Thorn to kill the Administrator. Even RT himself had never seen the Thorn before and knows nothing about it.

why would the OG give Baam an enormous, fully complete, powerful weapon right from the start?
If that is the case, then why doesn’t the OG get rid of Zahard and all those obstacles, take Baam straight to the top of the Tower, and end the story?

Do you really think the OG will pave an easy path for Baam, laid out with roses?
From the very beginning, Baam has been under the OG’s test, and he must climb the Tower on his own and overcome obstacles. Enryu even threw the Thorn on the Floor of Death instead of handing it directly to Baam.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

There are many people who witnessed Enryu’s battle against the Administrator and survived to tell the tale, and none of them mentioned that Enryu used the Thorn to kill the Administrator. Even RT himself had never seen the Thorn before and knows nothing about it.

why would the OG give Baam an enormous, fully complete, powerful weapon right from the start?
If that is the case, then why doesn’t the OG get rid of Zahard and all those obstacles, take Baam straight to the top of the Tower, and end the story?

Do you really think the OG will pave an easy path for Baam, laid out with roses?
From the very beginning, Baam has been under the OG’s test, and he must climb the Tower on his own and overcome obstacles. Enryu even threw the Thorn on the Floor of Death instead of handing it directly to Baam.

Bro the prophecy said Enryu will leave the thorn and not it's fragments and that fragments are dead! Ofc unless u believe Gussy split it into 4 pieces and took away the soul

 

[Demonspeed]

I have a question for you guys. If it turns out that the way Mago devours planets isn't due to stuff like continuously draining people's hopes over the land but because she has a technique/ability allowing to do that, would you consider her weaker than Enryu?

 

[RED TOWER]

I have a question for you guys. If it turns out that the way Mago devours planets isn't due to stuff like continuously draining people's hopes over the land but because she has a technique/ability allowing to do that, would you consider her weaker than Enryu?

I’ll answer you with another question:
Gustang is a reality warper and can even surpass and manipulate the laws of the Tower, and no one possesses abilities like his. Does that mean he is stronger than Phantaminum, Enryu, Mazino, or even Zahard?

 

[Demonspeed]

I’ll answer you with another question:
Gustang is a reality warper and can even surpass and manipulate the laws of the Tower, and no one possesses abilities like his. Does that mean he is stronger than Phantaminum, Enryu, Mazino, or even Zahard?

Gustang is confirmed weaker than all the characters you named. We don't need feats for this and we saw him almost die to Traumerei.

Traumerei> Gustang so far.

 

[RED TOWER]

Gustang is confirmed weaker than all the characters you named. We don't need feats for this and we saw him almost die to Traumerei.

Same thing with Mago — even with her original power, she wouldn’t be a match for a Family Head. Even with Mazino’s special light power, she was defeated by Eduan, even though he didn’t use everything he had.
Mago in her original state is weaker than Mago with Mazino’s power.

 

[Demonspeed]

Same thing with Mago — even with her original power, she wouldn’t be a match for a Family Head. Even with Mazino’s special light power, she was defeated by Eduan, even though he didn’t use everything he had.
Mago in her original state is weaker than Mago with Mazino’s power.

Your post makes zero sense. Did Eduan win easily? No. Aubryon was much stronger and he is banking on Mago to face Urek.

Also, my question wasn't about Mago and the FHs, it was about Mago and Enryu.

 

[RED TOWER]

Your post makes zero sense. Did Eduan win easily? No. Aubryon was much stronger and he is banking on Mago to face Urek.

Also, my question wasn't about Mago and the FHs, it was about Mago and Enryu.

Mazino fans have really gone out of control. The Shinin Ones, who are weaker even than the FHs, are now stronger than Enryu.

Current Aubryon is even stronger than original Aubryon — no surprise, since he’s charged with Phantaminum’s power. The same thing happened with Mago when she was charged with Mazino’s power (even if only temporarily).

 

[Demonspeed]

Mazino fans have really gone out of control. The Shinin Ones, who are weaker even than the FHs, are now stronger than Enryu.

Current Aubryon is even stronger than original Aubryon — no surprise, since he’s charged with Phantaminum’s power. The same thing happened with Mago when she was charged with Mazino’s power (even if only temporarily).

Zero argument in your post.

How are they weaker than FHs when Mago, not at her prime almost killed Eduan(Top 2-3 FH) with a tiny bit of Urek's PoL and Aubryon was much stronger?

Is Aubryon stupid? Banking on Mago, who has yet to reach her prime?

All you do is calling people biased while ignoring the facts.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Mago is being overlooked again. A very weak version of hers has put Eduan in check. We have no idea If Eduan even with his main spear can beat that version of Mago If she had another 5-10 mins of light fuel.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Speaking of Mago being overlooked, one can say Mago's actions are indeed overlooked. She did same thing as Rachel did with night. Betrayed UM. But because she is beautiful, stronger her sins aren't much talked about and not much hated.

 

[maverickframe_19]

you get used to recency bias.

It’ll be the same once we get to Zahard. then we will get to Enryu, then Phanta.

you have to accept agendas also exist.

Yeah, trust me, that fact is not lost on me

 

[arrowofsky]

Speaking of Mago being overlooked, one can say Mago's actions are indeed overlooked. She did same thing as Rachel did with night. Betrayed UM. But because she is beautiful, stronger her sins aren't much talked about and not much hated.

I still did not see much from the webtoon that without Urek's light Mago has much to offer. Aubrion is in full power and obviously inflicted impressive damage towards Urek, and we are to think Mago was the brightest/darkest one, but she was not doing much without Urek light. Nevertheless, she liked the body she sucubbused into, maybe there will be a way that she will also be on par or beyond her prime, so that she can be conclusively dealt with.

 

[Demonspeed]

I still did not see much from the webtoon that without Urek's light Mago has much to offer. Aubrion is in full power and obviously inflicted impressive damage towards Urek, and we are to think Mago was the brightest/darkest one, but she was not doing much without Urek light. Nevertheless, she liked the body she sucubbused into, maybe there will be a way that she will also be on par or beyond her prime, so that she can be conclusively dealt with.

You didn't see it, but is there any reason to believe that she isn't extremely strong? She is stronger than Aubryon. Bell was ordered to keep Urek's friends hostages until Mago's recovery.

We don't need to see Zahard in action to know that she is stronger than all the FHs.

A body of a Regular Zahard Princess could never be as strong as her original body so I don't see how you can even imagine her surpassing her prime.