Games Mafia Game 138 - Cowboy Lovebop - End Game

[Mazino]

Wdym, by lynch?

Sure, if it's xi0. There's also the world where he is town and they just didnt want him confirmed. Two healthys fit sam's pairs idea fwiw. But you're definitely only getting town noble with me, so you have to make sure your second lynch is correct.
Should just throw the net wider at holt and xi0 imo but welp

I do believe you are town and noble. But i also belive you could be Lover. There is a chance.

Holt xio hardy are all sus

 

[SirSamuel016]

Pirating the RS is weird to me

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We have at least seen Hardy telegraph his intended n2 target though

 

[Natasha]

This would ve been the better pirate action @Hardy

Thanks dd. Good one

Noble had high red risk since it's a literal maf role.
Hardy would be dead and if we didn't piece it together then it's game over.

Worse pirate action by miles.

 

[Mazino]

So

Sam, Dd, Faust are trustworthy imo

Nash semi.

Gry town but possible lover imo

Hardy holt xio are sus

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Pirating the RS is weird to me

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We have at least seen Hardy telegraph his intended n2 target though

He probably did. Could be part of his scum claim though

 

[SirSamuel016]

Noble had high red risk since it's a literal maf role.
Hardy would be dead and if we didn't piece it together then it's game over.

Worse pirate action by miles.

Disagree, it would've confirmed him at least

 

[GrySun]

I think theres simply some fundamental differences in MG play philosophy here.

If hardy stole my Noble I'd actually suspect him. His play looks more town pirate to me with confirming someone in the double roles. But to Mazino/dd thats the opposite of what they think a pirate should do.

Then there's people metagaming on noble being town lover, when it's fairly weak and leaves them game over after one psych action, or no ways to block investigative roles.

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The raeko thing too, it was all publicly discussed, with a lot of players, I dont see any scum moves in it. We tried to go for a better option than me, gary, faust. Even the more reluctant people like Holt joined in. In hindsight was terrible but a decent attempt when the other options seemed worse.
Do wish I went with Holt but iirc Hardy said no to Holt at the time as well

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I do believe you are town and noble. But i also belive you could be Lover. There is a chance.

Holt xio hardy are all sus

There is a chance for us all, some more likely fit like my role over healthy or restless. But thats trying to see into host's mind, not a good angle.

But with how I got blocked it's a prostitute and they just lied and claimed another role

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Pirating the RS is weird to me

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We have at least seen Hardy telegraph his intended n2 target though

Who would you have pirated though?

 

[Mazino]

I think theres simply some fundamental differences in MG play philosophy here.

If hardy stole my Noble I'd actually suspect him. His play looks more town pirate to me with confirming someone in the double roles. But to Mazino/dd thats the opposite of what they think a pirate should do.

Then there's people metagaming on noble being town lover, when it's fairly weak and leaves them game over after one psych action, or no ways to block investigative roles.

Indeed there are. He looks to use his role to confirm a possible townie which makes it good for town, since he confirms dd and his action confs himself.

But ididnt doubt dd yesterday especially after the secind psych was revealed. Thats why i dont like that move.
>>>Two health two RS two psych which negate eaxh other prolly insane/sane so you dont need a blocking role. Jsut my opiniion.

Also dont think pirate fits this theme.

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There is a chance for us all, some more likely fit like my role over healthy or restless. But thats trying to see into host's mind, not a good angle.

But with how I got blocked it's a prostitute and they just lied and claimed another role

Hardy holt. One is scum ( maybe nash but i tend to believe her)

Xio or you. One is lover

My thinking

 

[SirSamuel016]

Hardy might go "metagaem!1!" but assuming he's legit, the pairs have themes.

Erin the BG + Sam the (insane?) Doc | Protection
Gry the Noble + Mazino the Troublemaker | Voting
Juviii the Healthy Townie + xi0 the Healthy Townie | Confirmable role via NVD
James the Spy + Nash the Detective | Primary Investigation
Raeko the Psych + Kami the cuck chair Psych (TSC) | Secondary Investigation
DD the RS + Faust the RS (NVD) | RS cunts
Hardy the Pirate + Holt the Hider | No apparent theme

Hardy and Holt is the key pair imo. There needs to be a theme there and a blocker is missing. Let's say Hardy actually is Pirate: if Holt was actually a blocker then their pair theme would naturally be role obstruction. Therefore I think Holt is lying and he's a candidate blocker.

 

[Mazino]

Indeed there are. He looks to use his role to confirm a possible townie which makes it good for town, since he confirms dd and his action confs himself.

But ididnt doubt dd yesterday especially after the secind psych was revealed. Thats why i dont like that move.
>>>Two health two RS two psych which negate eaxh other prolly insane/sane so you dont need a blocking role. Jsut my opiniion.

Also dont think pirate fits this theme.

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Hardy holt. One is scum ( maybe nash but i tend to believe her)

Xio or you. One is lover

My thinking

If there was a block. Leaves xio as scum plus hardy or holt hoe/town or the other way around

 

[SirSamuel016]

Who would you have pirated though?

Despite potentially bad optics, myself, Nash, yourself, or James (after Faust outed him).

 

[Mazino]

Hardy might go "metagaem!1!" but assuming he's legit, the pairs have themes.

Erin the BG + Sam the (insane?) Doc | Protection
Gry the Noble + Mazino the Troublemaker | Voting
Juviii the Healthy Townie + xi0 the Healthy Townie | Confirmable role via NVD
James the Spy + Nash the Detective | Primary Investigation
Raeko the Psych + Kami the cuck chair Psych (TSC) | Secondary Investigation
DD the RS + Faust the RS (NVD) | RS cunts
Hardy the Pirate + Holt the Hider | No apparent theme

Hardy and Holt is the key pair imo. There needs to be a theme there and a blocker is missing. Let's say Hardy actually is Pirate: if Holt was actually a blocker then their pair theme would naturally be role obstruction. Therefore I think Holt is lying and he's a candidate blocker.

Lynch hardy and holt. One should be correct then

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If not. Big touche

 

[SirSamuel016]

Hey old heads @GrySun @Hardy has there ever been a game where Lovers started a game with an activated TSC? (So they'd be 3)

 

[Hardy]

I don't think I mind dying if I get to bring Holt with me

 

[SirSamuel016]

votekill1 Holt

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Only the mafia lover can kill right?

 

[Hardy]

Yes

 

[Natasha]

Only the mafia lover can kill right?

If no mafia then TP
If you're not insane then TP + Mafia

 

[Holt]

If xi0 isn't healthy leaving me unblocked is a guaranteed game over

Other than that, I guess numbers wise we still have plenty people, they need like 3 days of mislynches and couldn't afford a confirmed xi0? My guesses.

Yeah, but why aren’t you more worried about this then? Too much effort for a HT frame in such a scenario, so it seems more likely he is scum or you are lying

 

[SirSamuel016]

Looking at the pairs by going off of claims again, if Holt's "Hider" is really a blocker then he might be the town lover as if Gry was blocked like he says he was then there's no way Holt as blocker could've done the kill.

Erin the BG + Sam the (insane?) Doc | Protection
Gry the Noble + Mazino the Troublemaker | Voting
Juviii the Healthy Townie + xi0 the Healthy Townie | Confirmable role via NVD
James the Spy + Nash the Detective | Primary Investigation
Raeko the Psych + Kami the cuck chair Psych (TSC) | Secondary Investigation
DD the RS + Faust the RS (NVD) | RS cunts
Hardy the Pirate + Holt the Hider | No apparent theme (Role obstruction theme if Holt is blocker)

Assuming Holt is Prosti/Lover:
- Hardy can't be Mafia Pirate as he wouldn't be able to kill if he did steal a role
- Gry can be Mafia Noble but them orchestrating a block amongst themselves doesn't make sense
- Nash can be Mafia Detective and thus able to carry out a kill.
- xi0 could be lying about Healthy Townie

One thing that has been on my mind is Threesome candidates. Is there a scenario where the game started with a pair of Lovers and two Threesome candidates? If that was posssible or the case then a TSC that joins the Lovers could turn them into a strong trio with more capabilities.

 

[Natasha]

Hardy - I really didn't like him enabling Faust and shouting out troublemaker. But his wall/list and lines of solving seem good faith + said he is willing to die to take out Holt which is a promise hard to squeeze out of as evil. I trust him enough, won't vote him unless I'm forced to self-pres.

DD - If I trust Hardy I trust DD, restless lover unlikely and hardy would've died if DD was evil lover/mafia.

Faust - Too wolf to be a wolf at this point with his takes. I bet he'll never even read the hints I've linked, and continue to accuse me of fabricating my claim. If he's telling the truth and is RS, then lover unlikely. If he is lying and is maf/TS, I'll find out tonight. If I die before result then please just lynch him if we don't win by D5/6 or I'll roll in my grave.

Gry - I think I'm sane, so he's not the evil pair of any lovers. If he's genuine, then town controls the NVD and taking him out makes sense. Blocking NVD also keeps -1 vote debuff on town even if he doesn't get lynched, and there is a world where xi0 made a desperation play and is forced to block & pile him today.

3x Gry - DD 1 #655, Holt 2 #661, Gary 2 #668
3x Nash - Faust 2 #638, Hardy 1 #658, Gary 1 #668

Evil lover is either Faust or one of Holt/xi0.

Doing one final re-read to make sure I didn't miss smthing and then casting 1st votes, if I wanna be awake EoD I need to go to sleep soon.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Evil lover is either Faust or one of Holt/xi0.

Doing one final re-read to make sure I didn't miss smthing and then casting 1st votes, if I wanna be awake EoD I need to go to sleep soon.

If Holt is a blocker he can't be the mafia lover imo as that would prevent the pair from killing (he'd have to block people) so Town lover makes more sense for him.

@Hardy how ethical would it be for the game to start with either A) a lovers pair with a tsc joined from the get-go or B) lovers pair + two tsc and its a race for whoever can find them first? (or would it be possible for both to join and make a fourgy?)