Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Darklord#10]

All of that meant nothing to Suzaku, because he understood fights are won by dealing damage, not flexing MP

Spriggan twelve fans don't understand this point. Suzaku is not a jobber, he will not fuck around and find out

 

[WoWfan]

Flexing MP is the same as combat stats as the two are intertwined, that is an essential fact of the power system in FT. Makarov and Jose summoned a massive storm and earthquake with their flexing alone.

 

[Darklord#10]

If Natsu's flames provided Natsu defense on par with Igneel's scales, that puts Natsu's durability leagues above any Spriggans. Also, we can see the scales on Natsu's body. The second image has Natsu explaining that he would have died if he hadn't used all his magic power for defense, which is something he's never had to do before.

This isn't an insult but I think he can't read or has seeing problems.

It's funny how he really said suzaku is as strong as igneel. If natsu is using scales as strong as igneel and suzaku can cut them then why the hell wouldn't suzaku destroy literally any spriggan. They're not even reading what they are writing 🫩🫩

 

[WoWfan]

If using that logic above, Spriggans would match with how Brandish can overpower Merc and damage him since he would scale to Igneel. XD

 

[Axiomus]

Mercphobia was damaged by he lacrima that Lucy slammed him into, which contained all of Mercphobia's magic. Lucy herself can't hurt him without that.

Ignia called Mercphobia a weakling, and Igneel the strongest dragon btw. The dragon gods are the perfect examples of why MP doesn't matter. Despite all of them having Acnologia level MP, Ignia is clearly a cut above the rest. Ignia, in human form, is able to overcome attacks from Natsu that would crumble the other Dragon God's dragon forms.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

If Natsu's flames provided Natsu defense on par with Igneel's scales, that puts Natsu's durability leagues above any Spriggans. Also, we can see the scales on Natsu's body. The second image has Natsu explaining that he would have died if he hadn't used all his magic power for defense, which is something he's never had to do before.


So long as we're in agreement that Jacob is not on Suzaku's level when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Natsu was being metaphoric. It's just a way to say that he has a "strong body" (a body very hard to cut) because of Igneel's power, who is a King Fire Dragon, ie, Natsu is a dragon slayer of a strong dragon, so he is strong. Ajeel kept fighting after being cut by Erza, and was gushing blood from his wounds. August could keep fighting after getting a hole in his body, and Irene could keep fighting after a huge cut on her dragon's body, so Natsu's durability isn't leagues above any Spriggan. Actually, Erza has always been a very resistant wizard, and she was close to being defeated by Ajeel, was defeated by Neinhart, etc. I think that the "defense topic"overall is something that you shouldn't bring, because the Spriggans were supposed to be able to defeat Erza, Jellal, and Gidarts, wizards strong in every aspect.

It doesn't matter what Ignia was trying to do. He hit Suzaku and Natsu point blank, and the blast destroyed much of Dogramag's labyrinth. Suzaku's durability had to be tougher than said labyrinth. Natsu isn't even hitting Erza with his attacks. She's just in his general area. She's not in the middle of his attack.




Suzaku is faster than Ajeel. By the time Erza realized what was going on, she was already defeated. I'm saying Bisca's assistence wouldn't have made a difference if the entirety of team Natsu didn't make a difference. Last time I checked, Jupiter Canon doesn't exactly blitz people.

Also, why would Suzaku need to hold unto Erza? Ajeel needs to do it because that's the only way he could deal with Erza after she whipped out her water and wind swords. He needs to use sand world hide from Erza's attacks. He needs to grab her and start dehydrating her with his powers. Suzaku needs none of that. He can just swing through Erza's defenses. There is no scenario in which Suzaku needs to resort to holding on to Erza. He just needs to attack.

Erza was defeated because she couldn't keep up with Ajeel's speed in the Sand World. There is no evidence that the AOE of Suzaku cuts would hit Ajeel without him dodging it mixed with sand. I just said that if Suzuku were in the same situation that Ajeel was, he would be hit, and that the Bisca's help defined Erza's victory.

Has Suzaku or Natsu ever been knocked out by a smoke monster? Slayers, and Natsu specifically, have been known to get power ups from just eating stuff. Gajeel got a power-up from eating MBPs. Whose to say that Natsu and Suzaku don't just figure out how to use spiritual arts from eating the smoke? The days of Silver being able to freeze Natsu for any meaningful amount of time are long over. If Gray can't do it, neither can Silver. Extreme pain is overrated, because there's a physical limit to how much pain your nerves can feel. If Natsu can push through Aldoron impaling his entire body with thorns, he can endure whatever pain Kyouka can throw at him.

Invel was able to keep Natsu frozen for a while, so a doubt that Silver Devil Slayer Magic will not do the same. Again, if Natsu were casual and had spent magic as he did before facing Suzaku, he would be lost by the pleasure that made him feel like part of his body was destroyed, once he couldn't keep fighting after Suzaku cut his body.

When Suzaku is frozen in time, his body remains in whatever state it was in when it was initially frozen. It'd be no different than whenever he gets caught off guard by an attack, like when he took hits from Selene. Dragon Slayers have enhanced physical attributes that are active at all times, or at least, so long as they have magic power left. Nothing says you lose your magic while frozen in time.

Suzaku isn't indestructible. He's just capable of tanking everything Dimaria can throw at him.

If he were frozen trying to attack, his magical power would focus on the attack, not on defense. Please, let's not pretend that Dimaria couldn't cut his head off if she wanted. Good luck to SuperSuzaku trying to fight back without a head.

Ummmm no. It means flexing MP doesn't really matter. Selene has Acnologia level MP, which is far above any other character. Suzaku hits harder, despite having vastly inferior MP. The jury is still out on whether or not Kirin can match Suzaku. That depends entirely on how Laxus' stacks up against Selene. I'm inclined to believe Selene has better durability than Laxus, because she can hold her own against Aldoron

How does it not matter? It's the way the author informs about the character's power level, and it is important even to overcome someone who has hax magic (Brandish's magic can affect someone far stronger than her). If I'm not mistaken, Selene's power was suppressed by Drogma's roots while she fought Suzaku, so she should be far inferior to human Acnologia.

Kirin tanked megaton red lightning in the first round. Then proceeded to whoop Laxus. Then the labyrinth shifted.

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In their rematch, Laxus got a power up and used "Thunder Dragon King's Red Lightning".

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I posted the images in Japanese so you can compare the names.
The first attack was 雷汞 赩御雷 (Raiko Akamikazuchi). This is the same attack that killed Wall.
The second attack is 雷竜王赩御雷 (Rai-Ryu-Ou Akamikazuchi). This is the powered up version of the attack that knocked out Kirin.

Eating Elexion's soul would have had to be a significant power-up because Red Lightning went from being tankable to knocking Kirin out.
It's pretty much the same difference between Natsu's base mode and FDK.

You're right, the English version translated the spells badly. But again, it's more of a proof of Kirin's endurance than other thing, since his lighting was not put beyond or even equal to Red Lighting, so he is still unable to affect Wall with it. And also, Laxus was combining the Red Lightning Megaton with speed when he killed Wall.

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Mercphobia was damaged by he lacrima that Lucy slammed him into, which contained all of Mercphobia's magic. Lucy herself can't hurt him without that.

Physical attacks work on dragons if the attacks are strong enough. Brandish can do some damage to a dragon in her giant form. Lucy was able to catch Mercophobia and throw him on the lacrima, and she wasn't even close to Aldoron's height.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Miskai = Jacob: Both use spatial magic that can either harm(Misaki) or Kill(Jacob) those within its dimension.

Kirin = Ajeel: Both use elemental powers over large areas. Kirin can use Armosphere to block lightning while Ajeel has shown to be able to block a Jupiter canon blast.

Haku = Brandish: Both use some form of transformation magic and can increase thier physical attributes.


At the end of the day while the BDSK are probably better combatants, they aren't more powerful than the Spriggan 12. From a raw power point of view the Spriggan 12 are still superior. I don't see Kirin atmospheric magic nor lightning magic covering the same range as sandstorm. Or don't see Misaki power one taking out an entire guild at once. I don't see Haku power affecting an entire city or being stronger enough to contend with a dragon god physically. I don't bring up Sazuke not because he is on another level but because attribute wise their is no real comparison as far as the Spirggan 12. They don't have any any swords people.



The spriggan 12 didn't lose against Fairy Tail because they were weaker, they lost due to circumstances. Essentially each had someone with a direct counter to their magic and even then it still took some weird plot gymastic to get the win.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu was being metaphoric. It's just a way to say that he has a "strong body" (a body very hard to cut) because of Igneel's power, who is a King Fire Dragon, ie, Natsu is a dragon slayer of a strong dragon, so he is strong. Ajeel kept fighting after being cut by Erza, and was gushing blood from his wounds. August could keep fighting after getting a hole in his body, and Irene could keep fighting after a huge cut on her dragon's body, so Natsu's durability isn't leagues above any Spriggan. Actually, Erza has always been a very resistant wizard, and she was close to being defeated by Ajeel, was defeated by Neinhart, etc. I think that the "defense topic"overall is something that you shouldn't bring, because the Spriggans were supposed to be able to defeat Erza, Jellal, and Gidarts, wizards strong in every aspect.

Suzaku wasnt being metaphorical. His sword can cut dragon scales, which is why he was surprised Natsu could defend against it. Natsu replied that he has the scales of a Fire Dragon King. Then Suzaku said that in order to break through the scales of a Fire Dragon King, he must go all out. Either way, at the end of the day, Natsu has defense stronger than that of regular dragon scales. That gives him better durability than pretty much every Spriggan.

I was more talking about preventing damage in the first place. I dont think Erza is cutting Natsu's FDK scales in the first place. Nor is Brandish's knife going to impale him. We've seen Natsu just melt Wed's sword, and Wed's broken Armadura Fairy. Which btw scales Suzaku's sword above both.

But if you want to talk about recovering from injuries, Natsu has literally been stabbed all over his body, including in the head, by Aldoron. He burned the thorns off and healed the injuries.

Erza was defeated because she couldn't keep up with Ajeel's speed in the Sand World. There is no evidence that the AOE of Suzaku cuts would hit Ajeel without him dodging it mixed with sand. I just said that if Suzuku were in the same situation that Ajeel was, he would be hit, and that the Bisca's help defined Erza's victory.

Im saying it wouldnt make a difference even if he were to get hit. Suzaku could oneshot Erza, can tank the hit, and then go over and oneshot Bisca. Or he can tank the hit, oneshot Erza, and then oneshot Bisca. Or he can tank the hit, oneshot Bisca, and oneshot then Erza last.

Jupiter Canon is something Makarov can block with his arms. FDK destruction fist oneshotted Makatov, and Suzku facetanked it.

Invel was able to keep Natsu frozen for a while, so a doubt that Silver Devil Slayer Magic will not do the same. Again, if Natsu were casual and had spent magic as he did before facing Suzaku, he would be lost by the pleasure that made him feel like part of his body was destroyed, once he couldn't keep fighting after Suzaku cut his body.

Invel's ice was straight up colder than Gray's. To the point that Invel could freeze Gray's magic. Even then, Natsu could melt it without going all out. Not sure what you mean by pleasure. But feeling the pain of losing a body part is far less significant than actually losing a body part. *Anybody* can endure maximum pain. You dont even have to be magical. Real life soldiers have had limbs blown off and still manage to operate their weapons. Sure, it might suck...But actually getting impaled and losing blood sucks more.

If he were frozen trying to attack, his magical power would focus on the attack, not on defense. Please, let's not pretend that Dimaria couldn't cut his head off if she wanted. Good luck to SuperSuzaku trying to fight back without a head.

If that were the case, all slayers would become vulnerable and have no durability when they are attacking. That's not the case.

Lol, I wasnt even thinking of Dimaria's knife.
I feel like I have to point out the obvious. Suzaku is the Sword Saint Dragon, which by the way should provide an elemental resistance to swords. Do you believe that Dimaria's non-magical pocket knife can cut a dragon slayer whose elemental attribute is a literal sword? We have seen Natsu swallow bullets btw.

How does it not matter? It's the way the author informs about the character's power level, and it is important even to overcome someone who has hax magic (Brandish's magic can affect someone far stronger than her). If I'm not mistaken, Selene's power was suppressed by Drogma's roots while she fought Suzaku, so she should be far inferior to human Acnologia.

Selene was on a different dimension, specifically a dimension overflowing with magic power. Dogramag's roots wouldnt have affected her. Even if it did, it doesnt matter. Because Selene still had more MP than Aldoron and Mercphobia. Aldoron can straight up clone Zeref, Gildarts, and a dozen Makarov's with just one of his seeds. At the end of the day, Suzaku can hit harder than Selene...despite the latter having more MP. Selene needs to go into her dragon form to beat him.

You're right, the English version translated the spells badly. But again, it's more of a proof of Kirin's endurance than other thing, since his lighting was not put beyond or even equal to Red Lighting, so he is still unable to affect Wall with it. And also, Laxus was combining the Red Lightning Megaton with speed when he killed Wall.

The reason Laxus couldnt damage Wall with regular lightning was because Wall could convert it to power. He couldnt do that with red lightning. So you're right. Maybe Kirin's lightning wont work on Wall. Then again, Kirin's lightning was powerful enough to damage Laxus through his slayer advantage. So who knows.

It doesnt really matter though, because Kirin's atmosphere magic can make Laxus cough blood. So it'll damage Wall. In a battle of attrition, Kirin is gonna win, because he is far more durable.

Physical attacks work on dragons if the attacks are strong enough. Brandish can do some damage to a dragon in her giant form. Lucy was able to catch Mercophobia and throw him on the lacrima, and she wasn't even close to Aldoron's height.

Im still of the opinion that Lucy damaged Mercphobia because the lacrima she threw him into was a giant chunk of what is essentially Mercphobia's own magic. But for the sake of argument, let's just say physical attacks can hurt dragons if they're strong enough. It doesnt change the fact that the God Dragons all have Acnologia level MP, but vastly different showings.

First off, Brandish made Gajeel the same size as Aldoron. Gajeel was a dragon slayer to boot. Gajeel barely did anything to Aldoron before the latter blew a hole in him. If you believe giant Lucy or Gajeel can deal significant damage to Mercphobia, that's just gonna prove that Aldoron has vastly superior durability compared to Mercphobia.

Moreover, Natsu did far more damage to Aldoron than giant Gajeel. Natsu has vastly inferior MP levels compared to Aldoron. Natsu has inferior MP levels compared to Gajeel and Brandish combined. Natsu still hits harder.

All of which leads us to the ultimate conclusion that MP levels is far less important than how hard you actually hit. This manga had a dude with literal infinite MP lose to a guy with MP levels on par with Gray.

 

[Garmadooon]

Miskai = Jacob: Both use spatial magic that can either harm(Misaki) or Kill(Jacob) those within its dimension.

Kirin = Ajeel: Both use elemental powers over large areas. Kirin can use Armosphere to block lightning while Ajeel has shown to be able to block a Jupiter canon blast.

Haku = Brandish: Both use some form of transformation magic and can increase thier physical attributes.


At the end of the day while the BDSK are probably better combatants, they aren't more powerful than the Spriggan 12. From a raw power point of view the Spriggan 12 are still superior. I don't see Kirin atmospheric magic nor lightning magic covering the same range as sandstorm. Or don't see Misaki power one taking out an entire guild at once. I don't see Haku power affecting an entire city or being stronger enough to contend with a dragon god physically. I don't bring up Sazuke not because he is on another level but because attribute wise their is no real comparison as far as the Spirggan 12. They don't have any any swords people.



The spriggan 12 didn't lose against Fairy Tail because they were weaker, they lost due to circumstances. Essentially each had someone with a direct counter to their magic and even then it still took some weird plot gymastic to get the win.

Suzaku* not Sazuke bro it's Fairy Tail not Naruto here
As for the rest it just confirms that you Spriggan stans are living in another planet...

 

[WoWfan]

Axiomus, Merc was damaged by the impact, not the lacrima since it has his magic in it, Slayers cannot be damaged by their own power as Natsu and Silver have stated and/or shown. Pretty sure that was before their nerfed power and circumstances with Faris. MP still matters with Dragon Gods, the only thing different is with Their dragon physiology to be resistant to magic. Because Igia has fire resistance as a slayer.

 

[GodSlayer666]

f using that logic above, Spriggans would match with how Brandish can overpower Merc and damage him since he would scale to Igneel. XD

Brandish never overpowered Merc, it was Lucy stop acting like if she can leech gigantified people feats. If she could she would just gigantify herself and solo, simple like that. But she gigantified Gajeel and Lucy for the same reason, she don't become as strong as people she gigantifies

At the end of the day while the BDSK are probably better combatants, they aren't more powerful than the Spriggan 12. From a raw power point of view the Spriggan 12 are still superior. I don't see Kirin atmospheric magic nor lightning magic covering the same range as sandstorm. Or don't see Misaki power one taking out an entire guild at once. I don't see Haku power affecting an entire city or being stronger enough to contend with a dragon god physically. I don't bring up Sazuke not because he is on another level but because attribute wise their is no real comparison as far as the Spirggan 12. They don't have any any swords people.



The spriggan 12 didn't lose against Fairy Tail because they were weaker, they lost due to circumstances. Essentially each had someone with a direct counter to their magic and even then it still took some weird plot gymastic to get the win.

If you are better combatant than non hax users like Ajeel and Wall then you are more powerful than them, no 4D Chess can deny that.

To say spriggan raw power is superior you must be unable to read. Just because Hiro stopped cared about showing DC feats don't mean that they are weaker, it's same of saying that DBS characters are below planetary because they never destroyed a planet.

No they lost because THEY WERE WEAKER. There was absolutely no plot gymnastics in the Ajeel and Laxus scene, in Wall fight the one getting plot help was Wall, he got one shotted the moment he lost all his plot armor. Neinhart was the one who tried a dirty tactic plot to stop Jellal's GC, without that he was just one shotted and was one shotted again by Natsu because he is weaker, and trying to excuse him with summons is no use because Youko is also a summoner, have solid summons that don't relies on the dead, and is not trash like Neinhart. Gray resisted Invel's ice, but it's moment he got pissed he curbstomped him because he got stronger, his ice resistance does not explain how easily he defeated Invel, and this was before his peak. Gajeel resisted Bloodman, but he couldn't even harm him nor does have devil slayer magic like Gray to be called an counter to him, and his DF curbstomped him because he got stronger, the moment he got DF there was no plot gymnastic, just a superior fighter dominating a spriggan. END fodderized Dimaria because he was stronger, no time stop counter bullshit. Jacob couldn't use transport on Natsu, but Natsu also was holding back, the moment he stopped holding back Jacob was one shotted, his transport is not carrying him as no hax carried any spriggan, many of them would be stronger than Larcade if their hax really carried. Some of them indeed fought weaker opponents, but it don't change the fact that most of them were portrayed to be inferior to Fairy Tail top tiers, no plot gymnastics, just pure inferiority.

 

[WoWfan]

Lucy never overpowered Merc with her own strength, even with her weaker dress, she had Brandish‘s power to accomplish that, and that wasn’t the first time as Brandish power overpowered Merc when she was gigantifying to escape his jaws, if it weren’t enough then Lucy would have been paste in his mouth. She did that for Lucy simply to save her, context matters.

 

[Axiomus]

Axiomus, Merc was damaged by the impact, not the lacrima since it has his magic in it, Slayers cannot be damaged by their own power as Natsu and Silver have stated and/or shown. Pretty sure that was before their nerfed power and circumstances with Faris. MP still matters with Dragon Gods, the only thing different is with Their dragon physiology to be resistant to magic. Because Igia has fire resistance as a slayer.

Giant Gajeel > Giant Lucy, in both size and strength.

Giant Gajeel almost no damage to nerfed Aldoron.

If you believe giant Lucy can deal significant damage to full powered Mercphobia, that would put a nerfed Aldoron way above Mercphobia. Aldoron would have better stats than Mercphobia dsspite his MP being nerfed.

Natsu does way more damage to Aldoron than Giant Gajeel. Meaning Natsu hits harder than the combined efforts of Brandish ± Gajeel, despite Gajeel being a slayer.

 

[WoWfan]

He was being damaged as Aldoron felt his attacks going through. Even Natsu’s FDKDF did only one point of damage and Aldoron felt nothing. Plus the characters have their own size changes based on their individual strength as Brandish stated, that was Gajeel at his weakest at the time pushing it. This is Lucy much stronger at the time. So no, nerfed Aldoron even more nerfed is not scaling to FP Merc. Natsu’s powers are not constant and has more forms to choose from.

 

[Axiomus]

Miskai = Jacob: Both use spatial magic that can either harm(Misaki) or Kill(Jacob) those within its dimension.

Kirin = Ajeel: Both use elemental powers over large areas. Kirin can use Armosphere to block lightning while Ajeel has shown to be able to block a Jupiter canon blast.

Haku = Brandish: Both use some form of transformation magic and can increase thier physical attributes.

At the end of the day while the BDSK are probably better combatants, they aren't more powerful than the Spriggan 12. From a raw power point of view the Spriggan 12 are still superior. I don't see Kirin atmospheric magic nor lightning magic covering the same range as sandstorm. Or don't see Misaki power one taking out an entire guild at once. I don't see Haku power affecting an entire city or being stronger enough to contend with a dragon god physically. I don't bring up Sazuke not because he is on another level but because attribute wise their is no real comparison as far as the Spirggan 12. They don't have any any swords people.

The spriggan 12 didn't lose against Fairy Tail because they were weaker, they lost due to circumstances. Essentially each had someone with a direct counter to their magic and even then it still took some weird plot gymastic to get the win.

Just because an attack looks smaller doesnt mean it does less damage. The back of Aldoron's hands can fit an entire city. Natsu's attacks can crumble half of Aldoron's body. It's actually one of the largest scale attacks. Yet we understand that Ignia's attack that defeated Natsu's rainbow fire is a stronger attack, despite being far smaller in scale.

The Signario Sisters were said to be far more powerful than God Serena. This puts Wed, who is stronger than them, above any Spriggans except August and Irene. Wed uses a sword. Wed's sword blocked Erza's meteor enchanted amadura fairy, and broke it. Using fire. This is the same move that beat Misaki. Wed hit Natsu with a sneak attack, and Natsu melted his sword. This puts Suzaku and his sword wholly above someone, who uses a sword and is hyped above the Spriggan 12.

The one group of villains from the 100YQ that gets their hype specifically from being stronger than the Spriggans turned out to be the biggest dissappointment. This irony is not lost on me.

He was being damaged as Aldoron felt his attacks going through. Even Natsu’s FDKDF did only one point of damage and Aldoron felt nothing. Plus the characters have their own size changes based on their individual strength as Brandish stated, that was Gajeel at his weakest at the time pushing it. This is Lucy much stronger at the time. So no, nerfed Aldoron even more nerfed is not scaling to FP Merc. Natsu’s powers are not constant and has more forms to choose from.

Giant Gajeel did nowhere near as much damage as Natsu did. Aldoron Seed was annoyed by his attacks at best. DF Natsu blew a hole in Aldoron and killed him.

Gajeel is stronger than Lucy to begin with. He doesnt need to be at full strength to match Lucy. He was also made way larger by Brandish. Giant Gajeel would fold giant Lucy even if their original strength were equal, just by virtue of Brandish making him larger. Aldoron blasted a hole in Giant Gajeel. Unless you believe Giant Lucy beat Giant Gajeel in less than 3 minutes, nerfed Aldoron still scales above full powered Mercphobia (If you believe Lucy can deal significant damage to Mercphobia).

 

[GodSlayer666]

The Signario Sisters were said to be far more powerful than God Serena. This puts Wed, who is stronger than them, above any Spriggan. Wed uses a sword. Wed's sword blocked Erza's meteor enchanted amadura fairy, and broke it. Using fire. This is the same move that beat Misaki. Wed hit Natsu with a sneak attack, and Natsu melted his sword. This puts Suzaku and his sword wholly above someone, who uses a sword and is hyped above the Spriggan 12.

Just more frightening, Aquarius Lucy low diffing a stronger version of Luso debunked any possibility of the ''powerful'' implication being right. Wed just scales to both Misaki and Serena via feats.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu did near nothing the first time and even after nerfing he didn’t do as much damage initially too and he still had some power to spare and his power fluxes due to FoE.
To be fair both Gajeel and Lucy aren’t Spriggan level, the former less so with a weaker Spriggan via GS. Again, size change is determined based on the power of the character, same with DGs as Selene became larger with her full power (Aldoron is exception as his power uses orbs). So Gajeel being Aldoron’s size =/= stronger than Lucy via size change. From what was shown, that hole was some sort of shock value and didn’t actually happen, still though, not scaling to giant Lucy who can tank full power DG.

 

[Axiomus]

Just more frightening, Aquarius Lucy low diffing a stronger version of Luso debunked any possibility of the ''powerful'' implication being right. Wed just scales to both Misaki and Serena via feats.

Not sure what the difference is. We're talking about hype anyways. To be sure, I believe God Serena is stronger than the Signario Sisters in any way that matters. But the fact that he would put them up on a pedastle means they have as much hype as any of the Spriggans, not named August or Irene.

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Natsu did near nothing the first time and even after nerfing he didn’t do as much damage initially too and he still had some power to spare and his power fluxes due to FoE.
To be fair both Gajeel and Lucy aren’t Spriggan level, the former less so with a weaker Spriggan via GS. Again, size change is determined based on the power of the character, same with DGs as Selene became larger with her full power (Aldoron is exception as his power uses orbs). So Gajeel being Aldoron’s size =/= stronger than Lucy via size change. From what was shown, that hole was some sort of shock value and didn’t actually happen, still though, not scaling to giant Lucy who can tank full power DG.

Natsu blasted a hole in Aldoron's back and killed him. Sure, some of Natsu's attacks had little effect on Aldoron in the beginning. But as the fight went on, Natsu entered DF and then his attack killed Aldoron. Gajeel simply did nowhere near as much damage as Natsu did.

Gajeel absolutely had a hole in him. Brandish just shrank it away when he reduced Gajeel's size. Gajeel is stronger than Lucy at normal size. He was made far larger by Brandish too. Unless you think Lucy could have punched a hole in Gajeel, nerfed Aldoron is still above Mercphobia if you believe Lucy can do a meaningful amount of damage to the latter. I mean, feel free to argue Lucy is above Gajeel, and by extension above everyone Natsu has beaten effortlessly.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu was powered up at the time, not the same when comparing to a weakened Gajeel who can damage a weakened nerfed DG. Little but not noteworthy in the beginning. Brandish did not shrink any existing hole, it was simply the timer ran out, if anything it remains as shock value. Again, size works differently compared to the status of the wizard. with Lucy’s showings with Brandish’s power, yeah which would to Gajeel unless he does something noteworthy, making the scaling stand, unless you care to chime nerfed Selene can take on a full power Aldoron? Which shows Aldoron was weaker from the start, you mean Mr. “influx power guy who’s top power without external power ups or enemies weakening is his savage flames which can burn infinite MP & Time itself and hasn’t shown that level since” Natsu? Sure

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu was powered up at the time, not the same when comparing to a weakened Gajeel who can damage a weakened nerfed DG. Little but not noteworthy in the beginning. Brandish did not shrink any existing hole, it was simply the timer ran out, if anything it remains as shock value. Again, size works differently compared to the status of the wizard. with Lucy’s showings with Brandish’s power, yeah which would to Gajeel unless he does something noteworthy, making the scaling stand, unless you care to chime nerfed Selene can take on a full power Aldoron? Which shows Aldoron was weaker from the start, you mean Mr. “influx power guy who’s top power without external power ups or enemies weakening is his savage flames which can burn infinite MP & Time itself and hasn’t shown that level since” Natsu? Sure

Lol...In what way was Natsu powered up?

There was literally a hole in Gajeel's body when he was giant. When the timer ran out, Gajeel shrank down and the hole was closed up.

Gajeel exhausted LFD Natsu to a stalemate. Aquarius thought LFD Natsu was going to accidentally kill Lucy. By the time Natsu got off the cart Levy pushed him on, he had recovered enough power to fight Makarov. Explain to me why Gajeel would still be weaker than Lucy. Not only is Gajeel stronger than Lucy, but Brandish actually used maxed size on him, which she didnt for Lucy.

And yeah. Selene can take Aldoron at any point in the 100YQ. Nerfed, full power, it doesnt matter.