Hangout Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Hangout Thread

[REN KOUEN]

Veronica's spoiler isn't that bad but the spoiler about Gowther is huge, it would be better to read the manga(all the chapters even if you watch the anime). The anime skipped a lot of things and the pace is too fast.

i had planned to do that anyway

i am on chapter 15 or so right now, i plan to read 30 or so chapters per day

 

[FKS]

Volume 19 extras, from King Juliane (here and there for sources):

Spoiler

They're untranslated. Time for the TL:

First pic:

Spoiler

Arthur, have you decided on a name for this thing?
Eh?

Don't eh me… I don't know the reason but it's been freeloading on your head.
He just looks pitiful being forever nameless.

It… it sure is inconvenient not having a name… By the way, which one do you think is good for it?
You should use your feeling to decide that sort of thing.

SFX: Itchy

Cath.
Cath!!
What a weird sneeze.
Ah…!

I've got an idea!! I call it Cath!!
[TN: See Cath Palug on Wiki for more reference.]
Cath!!
A sneeze's a good shot at it!!

Let's go clean the outer side of the tavern, Cath!!
Cath!
…it's surprisingly crude.

Second pic:

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Title: Extra chapter / Limits of the appetite

Haaaawk, bring me the logs!!
Haa haa… damn it, you're quite a pig slave driver. It's pretty heavy, y'know?

No complaints, I'll double your scrap ration tonight.

You should've said that sooner!!

Oh…! Lord Hawk's power level has increased twofold in just an instant!
Lors Hawk, Captain said that if you worked harder, he'd quadruple it…

Upsy daaaaisy!

His power level increases in proportion with the promised scrap amount.
Lord Hawk, if you work even harder, your scrap amount will be increased tenfold!

Merlin's experiment (?) continued
and Hawk received an enormous amount of scrap.

As a result,
I can't eat any more.
SFX: Gepu…
Hawk…
he became a dead weight.

 

[Demonspeed]

WTF... I am not sure if that extra about Hawk is supposed to be taken seriously...

Arthur's cat name is interesting.

 

[FKS]

Yep, Hawk's extra should be treated as a joke.

By the way, I edited my previous post to include the TL for the problem line.

 

[gnut]

he's just balancing the mega stump on his back

 

[ShadowHeart]

Hmm yeah I don't really see him getting it atm, I don't know if you have noticed but he doesn't really need it to deal damage.Of course if his current weapon were to break like Mel back in the day, then it's possible he might need it, but it's hard to see how he'll find it. The only reason Mel got his back is because Merlin had it .

I thought he might get it back but seems ST don't seem that important anymore.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I thought he might get it back but seems ST don't seem that important anymore.

Exactly, how long has it been since an ST really made the difference? The Albion attacks, and yet with Mel's power being back it might not be as important, since he's significantly stronger now, so he doesn't have to rely on counter as much as he used to in the past.
Although I guess it would be nice to see if really there's such a huge difference between Ban's current staff and Courchouse, his ST. He had it during the Edinburgh special iirc, and it seems as if it only managed to make his reach longer.Though I cannot be sure what it did exactly, since we pretty much saw Ban without it and deal damage. He's not completely useless without it, he even smacked Galan's ass with his regular staff.

I think the real issue is to have him powerup, not necessarily draw all his potential out. Right now he's just too weak to face a commandment for an extended period of time, he can still use hunter fest to steal his opponents strength like with Galan but there's a limit to how much he can take and it drains him afterwards.So he need to work on that imo.

But I do think he'll find it at some point, and if my prediction is right it might happen when he and someone else faces the next two commandments.I think the sins will progressively get stronger, and Suzuki plans on doing so by having each of them fight a commandment. To put it simply Dolor and Gloxinia are going to be matched against Diane and King respectively, and it might be that Diane will recover her memory while fighting next to King. So for Ban I see him fighting the next two commandments, maybe Derrierie. She looks like a physical fighter, and it might be her style of fighting is closer to that of Ban but of course I have nothing to back this up. It's just a really wild speculation.

 

[Demonspeed]

STs don't seem to matter because the 10 made be gap between people abysmal. Meliodas and Escanor are the only ones able to beat them, the other Sins can't. Plus Ban has immortality so Nakaba can make him die in all sort of situations. Nakaba didn't even give Meliodas his ST in the first saga because he was OP enough already, and that was with his seal. With the additional abilities they give I'd say they have even more value now.

He'll probably get it in the next arc, Ban is safe even at the tournament because he can't die and he has Meliodas as partner. Though I can imagine of the fighters with it(Slader's partner especially), it was like that for Diane last time.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

STs don't seem to matter because the 10 made be gap between people abysmal. Meliodas and Escanor are the only ones able to beat them, the other Sins can't. Plus Ban has immortality so Nakaba can make him die in all sort of situations. Nakaba didn't even give Meliodas his ST in the first saga because he was OP enough already, and that was with his seal. With the additional abilities they give I'd say they have even more value now.

He'll probably get it in the next arc, Ban is safe even at the tournament because he can't die and he has Meliodas as partner. Though I can imagine of the fighters with it(Slader's partner especially), it was like that for Diane last time.

Have you forgotten that the purgatory flame hurts Ban? And that the demons can eat their souls? So no he's not safe if he faces the demons who are at the tournament...

 

[Demonspeed]

Have you forgotten that the purgatory flame hurts Ban? And that the demons can eat their souls? So no he's not safe if he faces the demons who are at the tournament...

I haven't forgotten but I was trying not to mention the fact that he is a main character. Even though the Sins feel the need to get stronger in order to kill the Commandments, it's clear that no one will die facing them. There was tension when he was facing Galan and Mera by himself but right now Nakaba doesn't have to focus about him, unlike King, Diane and Gowher he is safer. He can't be killed by orthodox means, can steal strength and has the best partner while it is hinted that the three others bar Escanor will get a power up, they will be far more relevant in this tournament.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I haven't forgotten but I was trying not to mention the fact that he is a main character. Even though the Sins feel the need to get stronger in order to kill the Commandments, it's clear that no one will die facing them. There was tension when he was facing Galan and Mera by himself but right now Nakaba doesn't have to focus about him, unlike King, Diane and Gowher he is safer. He can't be killed by orthodox means, can steal strength and has the best partner while it is hinted that the three others bar Escanor will get a power up, they will be far more relevant in this tournament.

I don't think he's safer than the rest, you said it yourself, other than Mel and Escanor no one right now is able to defeat the commandments. He might not die,but that doesn't mean he's safe either. He could get injured, and Gloxinia almost killed Escanor, so they have no problem with killing the sins or anyone present if they wish to. I already pointed out how he can be hurt, and even "die" by having his soul getting eaten, and really I wouldn't make much of him having Mel as a partner. There's plenty of ways the demons can cheat.
I don't think we'll have to wait till the next arc to see him get his ST back, but I don't think it'll happen in the tournament either. After they deal with Dolor and Gloxinia, they will have to look for the rest of the demons, and I see that as an opportunity to have him recover his ST, if that is even required at this point. Which is what sparked this discussion to begin with.

 

[kkck]

I don't think he's safer than the rest, you said it yourself, other than Mel and Escanor no one right now is able to defeat the commandments. He might not die,but that doesn't mean he's safe either. He could get injured, and Gloxinia almost killed Escanor, so they have no problem with killing the sins or anyone present if they wish to. I already pointed out how he can be hurt, and even "die" by having his soul getting eaten, and really I wouldn't make much of him having Mel as a partner. There's plenty of ways the demons can cheat.
I don't think we'll have to wait till the next arc to see him get his ST back, but I don't think it'll happen in the tournament either. After they deal with Dolor and Gloxinia, they will have to look for the rest of the demons, and I see that as an opportunity to have him recover his ST, if that is even required at this point. Which is what sparked this discussion to begin with.

I can't shake the feeling that escanor will be incapacitated during and after the tournament by the commandments. With him there you have meliodas and escanor as people capable of facing the commandments. Along with everyone else there. Realistically speaking all it would take to defeat the commandments is ban using his strength stealing magic. It wouldn't severely hamper gloxinia considering how magic would seem to work for fairies and their PL however it could cripple dolor. A crippled dolor wouldn't last long against meliodas or escanor.

In turn you have gloxinia's commandment of repose. The tournament is probably meant t force participants into a situation where they would be vulnerable to gloxinia's commandment, specially once they loose. It is entirely possible that once someone looses they will be forced to inaction or otherwise suffer his commandment. At which point gloxinia and dolor could theoretically fight while the others couldn't. Of course, even abandoning the tournament could trigger gloxinia's commandment... or even dolor's depending on what it is. Maybe it's related to the paper bag he is wearing?

Escanor is in a bad situation. He has teamed up with hawk... even if his fight drags on till dawn he will eventually face meliodas.... In which case either of them could be incapacitated.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I can't shake the feeling that escanor will be incapacitated during and after the tournament by the commandments. With him there you have meliodas and escanor as people capable of facing the commandments. Along with everyone else there. Realistically speaking all it would take to defeat the commandments is ban using his strength stealing magic. It wouldn't severely hamper gloxinia considering how magic would seem to work for fairies and their PL however it could cripple dolor. A crippled dolor wouldn't last long against meliodas or escanor.

In turn you have gloxinia's commandment of repose. The tournament is probably meant t force participants into a situation where they would be vulnerable to gloxinia's commandment, specially once they loose. It is entirely possible that once someone looses they will be forced to inaction or otherwise suffer his commandment. At which point gloxinia and dolor could theoretically fight while the others couldn't. Of course, even abandoning the tournament could trigger gloxinia's commandment... or even dolor's depending on what it is. Maybe it's related to the paper bag he is wearing?

Escanor is in a bad situation. He has teamed up with hawk... even if his fight drags on till dawn he will eventually face meliodas.... In which case either of them could be incapacitated.

Yeah but you forget that Hunter fest, which he used against Galan, doesn't allow him to take in all the power of his opponent, or else his own body will be harmed.Mera explained this, so if Ban had a hard time taking Galan's power then you can bet it will be more difficult for Dolor particularily and Gloxinia. I only see Dolor as stronger than Galan.
That's prolly accurate, the commandment bit, so whoever breaks the rule of repose will get incapacitated in some way.However so far it doesn't look like Gloxinia stated anything about what happens to those who lose. It might even be that they get their soul sucked away, which I believe was their intention in the beginning, to gather souls. So either way I can see those who lose not being able to interfere with future fights.
We can't be sure of anything when it comes to Escanor, sure it looks like his team is the weakest, but since his soul doesn't get ingested either way, there's not much to fear. I hope that if he loses he gets knocked out for a while, that way he won't try to interfere in the future fights which could have him break Gloxinia's commandment. So while he's knocked out he could be able to transform later on in his day form.
And overall it would be bad if some of the sins fell for the demons commandments, since their effects seem permanent. We don't know if Merlin recovered her body, and frankly it would be too much if more than one sin was in her situation.

 

[gnut]

esky can die you know....having his soul sucked is the least of his worries during his night phase.
even ban/mel backed off from charging in because of glox's vines.....esky was impaled by them already.
but,mark my word.....hawk will advance their team to the 2nd round(if there is one xD).

 

[kkck]

Yeah but you forget that Hunter fest, which he used against Galan, doesn't allow him to take in all the power of his opponent, or else his own body will be harmed.Mera explained this, so if Ban had a hard time taking Galan's power then you can bet it will be more difficult for Dolor particularily and Gloxinia. I only see Dolor as stronger than Galan.
That's prolly accurate, the commandment bit, so whoever breaks the rule of repose will get incapacitated in some way.However so far it doesn't look like Gloxinia stated anything about what happens to those who lose. It might even be that they get their soul sucked away, which I believe was their intention in the beginning, to gather souls. So either way I can see those who lose not being able to interfere with future fights.
We can't be sure of anything when it comes to Escanor, sure it looks like his team is the weakest, but since his soul doesn't get ingested either way, there's not much to fear. I hope that if he loses he gets knocked out for a while, that way he won't try to interfere in the future fights which could have him break Gloxinia's commandment. So while he's knocked out he could be able to transform later on in his day form.
And overall it would be bad if some of the sins fell for the demons commandments, since their effects seem permanent. We don't know if Merlin recovered her body, and frankly it would be too much if more than one sin was in her situation.

Well, it is possible to for ban to leave a target with 0 power, we saw that against meliodas. Of course, ban will likely never will against a commandment with his ability the same way he didn't win against galan however the situation here is that he is backed up by good old mel at least. How much would dolor last against mel if ban steals about half his strength? Dolor would get wrecked for the most part. In this case what I suggests is a threat for the commandments is mel, escanor and ban going up against them. Dolor would be rendered helpless immediately which would leave gloxinia to deal with the other 3. The issue here is the tournament..

True, it wouldn't be weird if loosing resulted in the participant losing their souls.I have my doubts of escanor being the type to impulsively interfere with a fight if he is aware of the risk of falling into a commandment. Escanor is arrogant but so far he hasn't been shown as an idiot.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Well, it is possible to for ban to leave a target with 0 power, we saw that against meliodas. Of course, ban will likely never will against a commandment with his ability the same way he didn't win against galan however the situation here is that he is backed up by good old mel at least. How much would dolor last against mel if ban steals about half his strength? Dolor would get wrecked for the most part. In this case what I suggests is a threat for the commandments is mel, escanor and ban going up against them. Dolor would be rendered helpless immediately which would leave gloxinia to deal with the other 3. The issue here is the tournament..

True, it wouldn't be weird if loosing resulted in the participant losing their souls.I have my doubts of escanor being the type to impulsively interfere with a fight if he is aware of the risk of falling into a commandment. Escanor is arrogant but so far he hasn't been shown as an idiot.

I'm really not convinced that the final pair should be Mel and Ban, as in those who will fight Dolor and Gloxinia. Remember Gloxinia told King that if he wants to find out the truth, he'll have to go through the tournament and win it. So for the sake of getting the full story, King and Diane should at least make it to the final round. It would be a let down if each time they face a commandment, it's Mel and or Escanor who deal with it. It also doesn't make much sense writing wise.
Of course we have no idea how exactly King and Diane will be able to compete against Gloxinia and Dolor. Maybe the power of love will allow them to overcome everything.
But anyway I'd rather Mel and Escanor didn't even take part in the tournament, at least now Escanor can't do much.

On another note, I was thinking about Derrierie. I mentioned her earlier and how I think she'll be a good opponent for someone like Ban. Btw she kinda looks like Ayla from Chrono Trigger

She's a physical fighter alright, from what I remember from the game.

 

[Demonspeed]

Ban could be a real threat if were able to focus Hunter Fest on a single target, when he is using Snatch normally it's too slow. Something like that should be used as a last resort though since he becomes unable to move after a while.

I don't think he's safer than the rest, you said it yourself, other than Mel and Escanor no one right now is able to defeat the commandments. He might not die,but that doesn't mean he's safe either. He could get injured, and Gloxinia almost killed Escanor, so they have no problem with killing the sins or anyone present if they wish to. I already pointed out how he can be hurt, and even "die" by having his soul getting eaten, and really I wouldn't make much of him having Mel as a partner. There's plenty of ways the demons can cheat.
I don't think we'll have to wait till the next arc to see him get his ST back, but I don't think it'll happen in the tournament either. After they deal with Dolor and Gloxinia, they will have to look for the rest of the demons, and I see that as an opportunity to have him recover his ST, if that is even required at this point. Which is what sparked this discussion to begin with.

The fact that he's extremely difficult to kill with the best partner to boot makes him safer than the rest, right now they don't even know he is immortal, Escanor is Human and is with Hawk, Gowther is with Jericho, King is with Diane, who couldn't even beat a Crawler. Unlike the others there are only two sure ways for them to kill him, had Gloxinia attacked Ban for the test it would have been useless. At this point I don't see how they could cheat with these rules, the unknown factors are the effects of their Commandments.

 

[kkck]

A fun bit that I hadn't notice before is that blue demons appear in the anime intro:

This being the case then everything in here could be relevant to the plot in the future... No in the sense that each person there was a specific participant in the ancient war but rather that it gives clues as to what happened. The angels are probably what goddess clan members actually look like. Which would suggest there were goddess clan members on both sides of the war. Right on top of the blue demon is another creature with a sword... Perhaps another kind of demon? The image would also suggest there were humans that took the demons side. And the bearded guy at the bottom resembles escanor's wanted poster. There seems to be somethng behind the blue demon....

 

[SpectrumRay16]

A fun bit that I hadn't notice before is that blue demons appear in the anime intro:

This being the case then everything in here could be relevant to the plot in the future... No in the sense that each person there was a specific participant in the ancient war but rather that it gives clues as to what happened. The angels are probably what goddess clan members actually look like. Which would suggest there were goddess clan members on both sides of the war. Right on top of the blue demon is another creature with a sword... Perhaps another kind of demon? The image would also suggest there were humans that took the demons side. And the bearded guy at the bottom resembles escanor's wanted poster. There seems to be somethng behind the blue demon....

This poster tell me that the war was more complex than it actually was... i mean, the blue goliath (it sort of reminds me of Dolor with the color) in the back looks like nothing we've seen thus far... which may make it a creation of some sort or perhaps a unique being?
The demon king, seems to be an angel of some sort with those wings (Assuming he is the demon king)
and the sides are sort of split up like this:

Left

- Goddess
- Fairies
- Giants
- Humans
- Blue Goliath thing!

Right

- The Demon King
- Red demons
- Grey demons
- Blue demons
- Reactors!
- and black demons? (Based on the four armed one in the top right, that sort of reminds me of Dolor as well?)

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

This poster tell me that the war was more complex than it actually was... i mean, the blue goliath (it sort of reminds me of Dolor with the color) in the back looks like nothing we've seen thus far... which may make it a creation of some sort or perhaps a unique being?
The demon king, seems to be an angel of some sort with those wings (Assuming he is the demon king)
and the sides are sort of split up like this:

Left

- Goddess
- Fairies
- Giants
- Humans
- Blue Goliath thing!

Right

- The Demon King
- Red demons
- Grey demons
- Blue demons
- Reactors!
- and black demons? (Based on the four armed one in the top right, that sort of reminds me of Dolor as well?)

You forgot Dragons too on the demon side. I think those are Tyrant dragons.
http://nanatsu-no-taizai.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant_Dragon