Fantasy All 4 Yonko's Vs World Government

[I Am Atomic]

They (CP0) are part of the WG too so they are included in the battle.

Sure Gorosei are old, but I believe they are going to be the powerhouses in One Piece. There is a theory of them being Immortal so they were the ones to start a war with the Ancient Kingdom and they won. Well it’s a theory so you can ignore it.

How about Celestial Dragons? Don’t you think there are strong guys in their spaceship?

Also, WG are going to unleash all of their forces. Which can include former admirals? We know there are 2 other Admirals like 20 years ago. They could join. I mean someone strong as Rayleigh and there is 2 of them.

They could also recruit others who are admiral level. Marines got 2 new admirals really quickly.

 

[HereNThere]

We have no context on how strong CP0 are. Even if they are powerful they are independent from the marines. And the gorosei are a bunch of old guys.... One of them had a famous sword but that does not mean he is necessarily powerful. Age is ultimately a thing in this manga, I doubt they would make that big a difference. And even if all of them are powerful it does not make a difference, the sheer number of strong people with the yonko is significantly greater than the strong people on the other side. Adding 15 people does not really turn the tide in favor of the WG. You'd need more like 50 strong people just to kinda even things out a bit.

I don't think it matters if the CP0 are independent from the marines. If this is the WG versus the Yonkou, then we can assume they'd be in the fight because they are apart of the WG. As for the Gorosei, age is a thing, but that doesn't mean they aren't strong. Whitebeard was in his 70's, but he still was a monster. The same can be said about Chinjao and Lao G. The Gorosei could potentially add a lot of power, despite their age.

Anyway, let's see.

The Yonkou have;

Blackbeard and his Ten Giant Captains, each with their own ship
Big Mam and her crew, plus Jinbe
Kaidou and his SMILE army, potentially X Drake and his crew
Shanks and his crew

The WG has;

The Marines, including Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora and Ryokugyo, along with a bunch of Vice Admirals
Cipher Pol, whatever that entails now
Impel Down officers, including Magellan
I assume the armies of the of affiliate counties and Marejois would join in as well

 

[kkck]

I don't think it matters if the CP0 are independent from the marines. If this is the WG versus the Yonkou, then we can assume they'd be in the fight because they are apart of the WG. As for the Gorosei, age is a thing, but that doesn't mean they aren't strong. Whitebeard was in his 70's, but he still was a monster. The same can be said about Chinjao and Lao G. The Gorosei could potentially add a lot of power, despite their age.

Anyway, let's see.

The Yonkou have;

Blackbeard and his Ten Giant Captains, each with their own ship
Big Mam and her crew, plus Jinbe
Kaidou and his SMILE army, potentially X Drake and his crew
Shanks and his crew

The WG has;

The Marines, including Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora and Ryokugyo, along with a bunch of Vice Admirals
Cipher Pol, whatever that entails now
Impel Down officers, including Magellan
I assume the armies of the of affiliate counties and Marejois would join in as well

You are forgetting the allied crews of the yonko. That could be anywhere between 30-50 crews each if the WB situation is a good example. Why would the armies of the affiliated countries be a thing? They didn't even show up for the WB war. Even then, bringing in that many numbers of ordinary people would not really help the WG. The cipher pools as we saw them would not really add anything. Well, CP0 could but CP 1 through 9 have been specifically shown as weak. I guess they wouldn't hurt but they wouldn't add much either.

 

[Shasha23]

Kyros is just one case and even then he was the sole strong guy in the entire country. Dressrosa was originally a supposedly peaceful nation but still, considering they were at the NW it does not set a good precedent.

Pell and Chaka were strong for the part of the GL they were in, so its not just one case

Its not the case at all that the majority of pirates would be useless. You are comparing pirates that at least have been sailing through the new world against military which normally just stays in a country. Sure, each crew has around 10 crewmembers who by all intents and purposes make up the main crew but that does not mean the rest of the people there are just normal folk. just look at shanks crew. Remember shank's delivery guy? Rockstar was a pirate with a 94 mil bounty before he joined shank's crew. Basically a guy with a bounty 6 mil below a supernova is a delivery boy in a yonko crew. So with each yonko you have the main crew which is made up by around 10 crewmembers whose strength is comparable to admirals and vice admirals and then you have the rest of the crew which is still made up of guys with significant bounties. And then even after that you have the allied crews of each yonko which is made up of pirates of varying strengths.

The marines have an unlimited number of pacifistas and it took the whole SH crew to beat just one and at the time they were stronger than any average pirate, those other people you speak of can easily be taken care of by pacifista, not to forget there are and again in other kingdoms there are people probably as strong as admirals given we already have Fujitora and Greenbull as prove of this

Remember the strawhats vs hody's crew? Each fishman by default is several times stronger than a regular human and even then the strawhats, who are not even remotely close to the strength of a yonko, had an easy time with them. Luffy took out 50000 people. The rest of the 50000 people were easily dealt with by the rest of the crew. Even nami, ussop and chopper were not phased by the numbers. According to oda shanks would have taken all 100000 fishmen with his haki to boot. Now, what would be the result of putting the sheer numbers you mention against the yonko? The yonko would take care of most of them through literally sheer willpower. Even against WB the WG only took its elite marines and even then a number of people were susceptible to luffy's haki.

Its not just the yonkou who have haki, and you also make it sound like random pirates are way stronger than random soldiers, when in truth it isn't

Just throwing numbers out there would accomplish nothing. Gather the billion people you mention and they would probably be handled easily by the yonko's fodder members. Even pre time skip luffy could rampage through the great war defeating regular marines and his strength was by all intents and purposes negligible. The war would be decided by who has the most quality warriors, not simply who has the most warriors. And in this regard the yonko have the marines beat. To begin with nation independent armies are not a thing, they weren't even present during the previous war.

Why do you think a random pirate fodder is stronger than a random soldier, we already have the WB pirates fodder to compare with and they were pretty much equal to them, not to forget those fodder are the same rank as the ones pre time-skip SH can take care of without even trying, marine fodder = pirate fodder they aren't stronger and marine fodder

So the situation would be more along the lines of this assuming the world government takes everything it has without leaving anything to protect the rest of the world:

Marines:
- Fleet commander
-3 admirals
- (15-20) Vice admirals
- Elite marines
-Militia
-pacifista
-7 shichibukai

You are not accounting everything, there is CP-9, CP-O, Kong, Shichibukai crew, etc, so it would be more like:

7 admiral class marines + Garp and Sengkogu (meaning 9)
20-30 VA(we already have over 20 known vice admirals)
Armies from 172 countries
Amazon Lily warriors
7 Shichibukai + crew
pacifista

All in all safe to say they are over a billion strong

That is pretty much what made up the WG's army at the great war. And within this you have to consider that by far the vast majority of the WGs power was concentrated within about 20 people. Basically the fleet commander, the 3 admirals, and the 15 or so vice admirals. Pacifista are strong but moderately strong people can one shot them (basically any Vice admiral and up). And then the shichibukai although they are too erratic to really be considered an asset. I mean, hancock was uncooperative, mihawk and doflamingo just did as they pleased, BB only showed up to do his thing....

It wasn't the WG that fought Whitebeard it was the marines, your confusing the 2, if you think it was the WG the that means the WG beat Whitebeard with less than a handful of their power

And now you have the 4 yonko:

- 4 yonko
- about 40 relevant crewmembers for each crew (made up of people with Vice admiral and admiral level).
-Allied crews (with each having a relatively strong captain and perhaps competent crewmembers). WB had 43 of this IIRC. If the yonko now have something similar we are talking about 160 crews.
- Their regular members (however many rockstars they have between the yonko crews and allies)
-Militia

4 yonko
40 -VA class and above fighters
allied pirates and their crews

all in all about 200 000 strong

The WG could gather the billion people you mention and they would still be severely outnumbered by the sheer number of strong people on the other side.

as I have said the WG has more stronger people, and in some of their countries there are people who would be above VA class and we already have been show 2 who were picked to be admirals, unless every single pirate were to join in then they would win but just with the yonkou alone there is just no way

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You are forgetting the allied crews of the yonko. That could be anywhere between 30-50 crews each if the WB situation is a good example. Why would the armies of the affiliated countries be a thing? They didn't even show up for the WB war. Even then, bringing in that many numbers of ordinary people would not really help the WG. The cipher pools as we saw them would not really add anything. Well, CP0 could but CP 1 through 9 have been specifically shown as weak. I guess they wouldn't hurt but they wouldn't add much either.

the WG didn't fight Whitebeard it was the marines, your confusing the 2 that's why you don't see how powerful the WG really is

 

[kkck]

Pell and Chaka were strong for the part of the GL they were in, so its not just one case



The marines have an unlimited number of pacifistas and it took the whole SH crew to beat just one and at the time they were stronger than any average pirate, those other people you speak of can easily be taken care of by pacifista, not to forget there are and again in other kingdoms there are people probably as strong as admirals given we already have Fujitora and Greenbull as prove of this



Its not just the yonkou who have haki, and you also make it sound like random pirates are way stronger than random soldiers, when in truth it isn't



Why do you think a random pirate fodder is stronger than a random soldier, we already have the WB pirates fodder to compare with and they were pretty much equal to them, not to forget those fodder are the same rank as the ones pre time-skip SH can take care of without even trying, marine fodder = pirate fodder they aren't stronger and marine fodder



You are not accounting everything, there is CP-9, CP-O, Kong, Shichibukai crew, etc, so it would be more like:

6 admiral class marines
20-30 VA(we already have over 20 known vice admirals)
Armies from 172 countries
Amazon Lily warriors
7 Shichibukai + crew
pacifista

All in all safe to say they are over a billion strong



It wasn't the WG that fought Whitebeard it was the marines, your confusing the 2, if you think it was the WG the that means the WG beat Whitebeard with less than a handful of their power



4 yonko
40 -VA class and above fighters
allied pirates and their crews

all in all about 200 000 strong

The WG could gather the billion people you mention and they would still be severely outnumbered by the sheer number of strong people on the other side.[/QUOTE]

as I have said the WG has more stronger people, and in some of their countries there are people who would be above VA class and we already have been show 2 who were picked to be admirals, unless every single pirate were to join in then they would win but just with the yonkou alone there is just no way[/QUOTE]

True, pell was strong by the standards of the manga back then. But that is still worthless by today's standards. Even luffy was too weak for the role he took for the war and at large only survived because WB's crew went out of its way to keep him alive.

Marines don't have an unlimited number of pacisfista. During the past war they had about 20 IIRC and each one was said to be as expensive as a battleship. Even then, as they were 2 years ago they were clearly not enough to deal with more competent fighters. Boa hackcock easily took out several of them and as far as we saw post time skip luffy, zoro and sanji can take them out in a single hit, instantly. In a gathering of what would be every strong pirate in the world the pacifista would serve to fight on the militia but if 100 of them runs into someone worth something in the new world they will be finished off quite fast. Pacifista make for good support but not necessarily for standalone fighters. They won't be taking on main crewmembers of crew captains.

It depends on what you consider a random soldier. The average guy that was at marineford or the regular soldier from a regular island. The one at marineford is likely to have been significantly more experienced than the one that comes from a regular island. And all pirates go through extreme situations regularly, more so than the marines considering marines can travel the calm belt.

I did mention CP9 and I made the point that in this war they wouldn't be much of an asset. Same for 99.9999999% of the worlds armies. Even then, where would such armies even fight? Bringing in all those armies is by all intents and purposes pointless anyways, their numbers simply can't make a difference. Most of the worlds armies wouldn't even be able to handle pre time skip luffy. Heck, even the marines at ennies lobby could not handle luffy and luffy was not even using gears. The strength of the people who would matter in such a way is so overwhelming that bringing in regular soldiers from the affiliated nations would be more hurtful than helpful. The power scale at this point in the manga is simply so ridiculous that even individuals who could foderize 10 or 20 countries and their armies would be fodder to the main crewmembers of the yonko at the war.

Even attacks the size of actual towns or cities are getting increasingly more common. It started during the war and the scale simply keeps increasing. Remember the admirals? Their attacks were gigantic and powerful. Remember when mihawk cut the gigantic frozen waves? Those were apparently far away and he did it casually. Ace's final attack against BB covered half the island they were on. So did BB's final attack against ace. Everything WB and BB did with the quake fruit broke the island they were on into more pieces. Jinbe and sanji showed attacks of ridiculous scale against the giant fishman they fought at fishman island. Remember hody's water bullet? Even though it was beyond pathetically weak it traveled for miles. Not to mention jinbe easily blocked it with his own water bullet. It was also well within luffy's capabilities to destroy noah and that thing was huge. Pika was the size of a city and zoro but him like a bitch. Not to mention the scale of doflamingo's strings.

Now imagine the armies you mention fighting at this war. It does not matter if its 1000000 or 10000000 of them, they can't help. The people at this armies are just ordinary humans by real life standards as far as we know. Not only they can't help, they would be detrimental. A single slash from mihawk could kill millions of them depending on their formation... In such a war as the one that is supposed to happen here this millions of people would end up dying not from being directly attacked, they would die merely from being around. They would die from a quake which moves the earth 50 meters into the air repeatedly. They would die from kizaru's laser being dodged by someone. They would die from doflamingo attacking an enemy pirate. The minimum requirement to even be at this war should be to not die from whatever happens after the strong people make their moves. Kinda like how each of WB's crewmembers looked out for himself when WB used his fruit. This is a war where the relevant people all fight consistently with earth shattering attacks which get countered by earth shattering attacks. Just look at the great war, even though every single marine there was handpicked the militia still had to suffer the aftermath of the attacks from strong people.

 

[I Am Atomic]

The WG could gather the billion people you mention and they would still be severely outnumbered by the sheer number of strong people on the other side.

as I have said the WG has more stronger people, and in some of their countries there are people who would be above VA class and we already have been show 2 who were picked to be admirals, unless every single pirate were to join in then they would win but just with the yonkou alone there is just no way

You are not accounting everything, there is CP-9, CP-O, Kong, Shichibukai crew, etc, so it would be more like:

7 admiral class marines + Garp and Sengkogu (meaning 9)
20-30 VA(we already have over 20 known vice admirals)
Armies from 172 countries
Amazon Lily warriors
7 Shichibukai + crew
pacifista

True, pell was strong by the standards of the manga back then. But that is still worthless by today's standards. Even luffy was too weak for the role he took for the war and at large only survived because WB's crew went out of its way to keep him alive.

Marines don't have an unlimited number of pacisfista. During the past war they had about 20 IIRC and each one was said to be as expensive as a battleship. Even then, as they were 2 years ago they were clearly not enough to deal with more competent fighters. Boa hackcock easily took out several of them and as far as we saw post time skip luffy, zoro and sanji can take them out in a single hit, instantly. In a gathering of what would be every strong pirate in the world the pacifista would serve to fight on the militia but if 100 of them runs into someone worth something in the new world they will be finished off quite fast. Pacifista make for good support but not necessarily for standalone fighters. They won't be taking on main crewmembers of crew captains.

It depends on what you consider a random soldier. The average guy that was at marineford or the regular soldier from a regular island. The one at marineford is likely to have been significantly more experienced than the one that comes from a regular island. And all pirates go through extreme situations regularly, more so than the marines considering marines can travel the calm belt.

I did mention CP9 and I made the point that in this war they wouldn't be much of an asset. Same for 99.9999999% of the worlds armies. Even then, where would such armies even fight? Bringing in all those armies is by all intents and purposes pointless anyways, their numbers simply can't make a difference. Most of the worlds armies wouldn't even be able to handle pre time skip luffy. Heck, even the marines at ennies lobby could not handle luffy and luffy was not even using gears. The strength of the people who would matter in such a way is so overwhelming that bringing in regular soldiers from the affiliated nations would be more hurtful than helpful. The power scale at this point in the manga is simply so ridiculous that even individuals who could foderize 10 or 20 countries and their armies would be fodder to the main crewmembers of the yonko at the war.

Even attacks the size of actual towns or cities are getting increasingly more common. It started during the war and the scale simply keeps increasing. Remember the admirals? Their attacks were gigantic and powerful. Remember when mihawk cut the gigantic frozen waves? Those were apparently far away and he did it casually. Ace's final attack against BB covered half the island they were on. So did BB's final attack against ace. Everything WB and BB did with the quake fruit broke the island they were on into more pieces. Jinbe and sanji showed attacks of ridiculous scale against the giant fishman they fought at fishman island. Remember hody's water bullet? Even though it was beyond pathetically weak it traveled for miles. Not to mention jinbe easily blocked it with his own water bullet. It was also well within luffy's capabilities to destroy noah and that thing was huge. Pika was the size of a city and zoro but him like a bitch. Not to mention the scale of doflamingo's strings.

Now imagine the armies you mention fighting at this war. It does not matter if its 1000000 or 10000000 of them, they can't help. The people at this armies are just ordinary humans by real life standards as far as we know. Not only they can't help, they would be detrimental. A single slash from mihawk could kill millions of them depending on their formation... In such a war as the one that is supposed to happen here this millions of people would end up dying not from being directly attacked, they would die merely from being around. They would die from a quake which moves the earth 50 meters into the air repeatedly. They would die from kizaru's laser being dodged by someone. They would die from doflamingo attacking an enemy pirate. The minimum requirement to even be at this war should be to not die from whatever happens after the strong people make their moves. Kinda like how each of WB's crewmembers looked out for himself when WB used his fruit. This is a war where the relevant people all fight consistently with earth shattering attacks which get countered by earth shattering attacks. Just look at the great war, even though every single marine there was handpicked the militia still had to suffer the aftermath of the attacks from strong people.

You have said that all marines that have gathered together will be obliterated instantly which is the truth.

But that applies to the fodder pirates too.

As Shasha23 said, there are 9 admiral class people in the WG and can recruit similar power levels as they did with Fujitora Green Bull.

Yonko has 4 admiral class: Shanks, Kaido, Big Mam and BB

4 vs 9? outnumbered

You going to say that the commanders are admiral level too? WB commanders, about 16 of them (including Marco) + Crocodile attacked a beat up Akainu (beat up by WB) and still could not beat him. We see later than nothing has happened to Akainu. Akainu can defeat WB pirates on his own (not including WB).

Aokiji = Akainu in terms of haki and fighting abilites. Only lost because of his DF weakness IMO.

2 admirals can destroy a Yonko crew completely. 8 will destroy 4. 9 will certainly do.

Vice admirals and captains can take on the allies of the Yonko.

Now we are left with Shichibukai.

Kuma, Hawkeye, DD, Hancock, Law and the new one who chopped off Z's arm.

There are talk about Mihawk being strong as a Yonko. 10 admiral level.

DD: we know how strong he is. Trafalgar Law and Luffy fought him and he is still standing while they are both sleeping. Below admiral level.

Hancock: her power of mass destruction is way too OP. Also Kuja Warriors; every single one of them can use haki

Law: OP fruit

New guy: strong enough to chop off an admirals hand which is very impressive. This guy might be possibly stronger than DD.

CP0: strongest cipher pol officers. Oda introduced them in the New world so might be very strong. Could be admiral class. Rob Lucci was above VA level so they could be close to Admiral or is Admiral level. There were 3 of them.

This are all the strong people who will not be hit by the massive hit you talked about. So after every fodder is gone, these guys fight the other guys.

 

[keeper1h]

We already know that New World big pirates have their own army and territories, not only the Yonkos. Also, Kaido is growing stronger in preparation for a war, no one knows against who.
No, Marines cannot beat all the Yonkos at one time. But they're thinking to do more than that.

Now they're ruled by Akainu, who believes in absolute justice. (Gotta kill'em all!)
He's dramatically increasing forces, building a new base, and even before him the marines were doing advanced scientific research.

Why he can do that? Because the World government wants to end piracy once and for all. One Piece must not be found.
Think about it, no Chief of Staff of an army can drain so much money from the government budget without the consent of the said government.


In fact, at first I believed that the "Three Power Balance" that the Gorosei cherished so much was a bit odd. Why they would care about the Yonko's safety? They're their arch-enemies, normally you hate an arch-enemy.

The fact is that the four yonkos were rich, powerful, free, happy and at stall against eachoter - Shanks aside, no one really wanted to risk his status to find a mere treasure. Their presence was enough to keep in check the new pirates.
Blackbeard shattered this balance, and now every Yonko is under attack: they're no longer useful instruments, they are dangerous and willing to fight, because they don't want to go down when Blackbeard will take on them.

So now the World government need to put them to sleep.

 

[Xguard]

Why do many people refer to WB was defeated by marine and cannot do anything against marine?
I don't think the dead of WB can conclude that marine is better that 1 of Yonkou.
1. WB already passed his prime.
2. WB is too naive and easy to be predicted
- WB is arranged to help Ace and that means marine can know a place and date that they have to fight WB.
- WB is stabbed by his crew/betrayal. In this case it's because he is too much trust to other people(it's both good and bad point).
I don't think someone like Kaido will be easy to be trapped like WB. About Big Mom I still don't know but Shanks may be in the same case as WB.
However, BB cannot be too easy to be tricked like WB, he may even trick marine or even WG instead.
3. Even WB is injured, he still manage to do much damage to marine.
4. The one who can handle Yonkou's level like Garp and Sengoku already resigned. I still don't believe Akainu is the same level like them.

WG (which is larger organization than marine : Gorosei, Marine, Shichibukai, all CPx, etc) may be able to win against Yonkou. But if there any chance that 4 Yonkous can fight together, I don't think WG has a chance to win.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Why do many people refer to WB was defeated by marine and cannot do anything against marine?
I don't think the dead of WB can conclude that marine is better that 1 of Yonkou.
1. WB already passed his prime.
2. WB is too naive and easy to be predicted
- WB is arranged to help Ace and that means marine can know a place and date that they have to fight WB.
- WB is stabbed by his crew/betrayal. In this case it's because he is too much trust to other people(it's both good and bad point).
I don't think someone like Kaido will be easy to be trapped like WB. About Big Mom I still don't know but Shanks may be in the same case as WB.
However, BB cannot be too easy to be tricked like WB, he may even trick marine or even WG instead.
3. Even WB is injured, he still manage to do much damage to marine.
4. The one who can handle Yonkou's level like Garp and Sengoku already resigned. I still don't believe Akainu is the same level like them.

WG (which is larger organization than marine : Gorosei, Marine, Shichibukai, all CPx, etc) may be able to win against Yonkou. But if there any chance that 4 Yonkous can fight together, I don't think WG has a chance to win.

Shanks would not be tricked by WG or even BB, he saw it coming that it was a bad idea to send Ace after BB, and everything happened because of that. If BB didn't defeat Ace, the latter wouldn't have been captured and sentenced, thus starting the war. Shanks might end up being one of the smartest of the Yonko, and I don't think it's fair to think he would be tricked like WB who was too proud to take Shanks' advice. If he had listened to him nothing of this would have happened.
If the Yonko were to ally themselves and fight the WG, they will clearly get the upper hand, but that's something that most likely won't ever happen. They are rivals, not to mention that there is some bad blood between them, like with BB and Shanks. And the WG are aware of that fact, and are basing their strategy on that. As long as the Yonko don't ally themselves they're safe and they could take out one Yonko at a time.And it doesn't need to be all 4 of them, remember how they were shitting their pants when Shanks and WB met. If at least 2 of them were to ally themselves against the WG they could pose a serious threat, now all four of them I can only see them winning tbh. Most of the WG's forces are fodder, the vice admirals don't stand a chance against the commanders of Yonko crews, and the Admirals themselves don't stand a chance against the Yonko. Akainu got destroyed by WB who is past his prime. I really don't know what the fuss is all about with CP0 and on, Luffy and his crew were able to take out CP9 prior to the time skip , with the training they shouldn't have a problem taking down CP0.So it goes without saying that it should be the same for the Yonko. The shichibukai may be the trump card, but I doubt they'd be willing to face all 4 Yonko. They'd prolly prefer to lose their title to facing the Yonko and dying for sure.What remains is the Pacifista, and if they're taken out by Luffy, Zoro and Sanji then I really can't see how they can be much of a threat.
The Gorosei could fight, but last time we saw them they were a bunch of old geezers, honestly we shouldn't even count them in this, since their job could be just to defend the interest of the Tenryuubito, and we have no idea how strong they are.
So with all these factors taken into account, the logical conclusion would be that the Yonko would prevail if they were to ally their forces, but given their differences, and the fact they're all fighting in order to expand their influence and become the next PK, I doubt such scenario would ever happen.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Why do many people refer to WB was defeated by marine and cannot do anything against marine?
I don't think the dead of WB can conclude that marine is better that 1 of Yonkou.
1. WB already passed his prime.
2. WB is too naive and easy to be predicted
- WB is arranged to help Ace and that means marine can know a place and date that they have to fight WB.
- WB is stabbed by his crew/betrayal. In this case it's because he is too much trust to other people(it's both good and bad point).
I don't think someone like Kaido will be easy to be trapped like WB. About Big Mom I still don't know but Shanks may be in the same case as WB.
However, BB cannot be too easy to be tricked like WB, he may even trick marine or even WG instead.
3. Even WB is injured, he still manage to do much damage to marine.
4. The one who can handle Yonkou's level like Garp and Sengoku already resigned. I still don't believe Akainu is the same level like them.

WG (which is larger organization than marine : Gorosei, Marine, Shichibukai, all CPx, etc) may be able to win against Yonkou. But if there any chance that 4 Yonkous can fight together, I don't think WG has a chance to win.

For a moment I did not want to reply.

You think only Yonko's can make and execute plans?
You don't need to trick those Yonko's because there are still other ways of winning. As I mentioned above, there powerhouses in the marines too.

Akainu is not the same level like them? He is one of the major contenders to be one of the final villains in one piece. He dealt 2 major blows against WB.... no it's 3, blasting half of WB's face off counts too.

WB is different from other Yonko's IMO. He was on par with Gol.D.Roger.

Everyone says that WB was not in his prime so he is weak... blah, blah and blah. Then let me ask you this. Why was he still a yonko? Why did Kaido not attack him until WB's back was turned? Doesn't that show that Kaido was scared facing WB face to face? just like BB?

WB is not equal to other Yonko's.

Garp and Sengoku retiring has nothing to do with their power levels dropping instantaneously. Of course it did drop because of age but they can still face of a Yonko and can deal sufficient damage. They retired because of WG's actions.

4 admirals: Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora and Green Bull can each face off against the 4 Yonko's.


Note to everyone: Even though it seems like I am supporting WG it is not true. I voted for Yonko's winning. But sometimes you guys underestimate WG.

 

[Xguard]

For a moment I did not want to reply.

You think only Yonko's can make and execute plans?
You don't need to trick those Yonko's because there are still other ways of winning. As I mentioned above, there powerhouses in the marines too.

Akainu is not the same level like them? He is one of the major contenders to be one of the final villains in one piece. He dealt 2 major blows against WB.... no it's 3, blasting half of WB's face off counts too.

WB is different from other Yonko's IMO. He was on par with Gol.D.Roger.

Everyone says that WB was not in his prime so he is weak... blah, blah and blah. Then let me ask you this. Why was he still a yonko? Why did Kaido not attack him until WB's back was turned? Doesn't that show that Kaido was scared facing WB face to face? just like BB?

WB is not equal to other Yonko's.

Garp and Sengoku retiring has nothing to do with their power levels dropping instantaneously. Of course it did drop because of age but they can still face of a Yonko and can deal sufficient damage. They retired because of WG's actions.

4 admirals: Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora and Green Bull can each face off against the 4 Yonko's.


Note to everyone: Even though it seems like I am supporting WG it is not true. I voted for Yonko's winning. But sometimes you guys underestimate WG.

Thanks for the feedback.
I may seem to be on the Yonkou side and I vote to Yonkou as well. But I don't think there's a chance that all Yonkou fight together. But the topic said that all Yonkou so I vote for them.

I also agree with most of your reasons except

Everyone says that WB was not in his prime so he is weak... blah, blah and blah. Then let me ask you this. Why was he still a yonko? Why did Kaido not attack him until WB's back was turned? Doesn't that show that Kaido was scared facing WB face to face? just like BB?

WB is not weak but he's weaker than before. He's weaker than the time that he was considered to be on par with Gol.D.Roger.

--- Why was he still a yonko? ---
Then, Why is buggy Shichibukai?
Like I said WB is not weak, he's only weaker than before. But he still have gut and power and so much subordinate and crew and alliance.

Anyway, like I said, I agree with your reason. I just want to point out that marine defeating WB doesn't mean WG can win against all Yonkou.

 

[kkck]

You have said that all marines that have gathered together will be obliterated instantly which is the truth.

But that applies to the fodder pirates too.

As Shasha23 said, there are 9 admiral class people in the WG and can recruit similar power levels as they did with Fujitora Green Bull.

Yonko has 4 admiral class: Shanks, Kaido, Big Mam and BB

4 vs 9? outnumbered

You going to say that the commanders are admiral level too? WB commanders, about 16 of them (including Marco) + Crocodile attacked a beat up Akainu (beat up by WB) and still could not beat him. We see later than nothing has happened to Akainu. Akainu can defeat WB pirates on his own (not including WB).

Aokiji = Akainu in terms of haki and fighting abilites. Only lost because of his DF weakness IMO.

2 admirals can destroy a Yonko crew completely. 8 will destroy 4. 9 will certainly do.

Vice admirals and captains can take on the allies of the Yonko.

Now we are left with Shichibukai.

Kuma, Hawkeye, DD, Hancock, Law and the new one who chopped off Z's arm.

There are talk about Mihawk being strong as a Yonko. 10 admiral level.

DD: we know how strong he is. Trafalgar Law and Luffy fought him and he is still standing while they are both sleeping. Below admiral level.

Hancock: her power of mass destruction is way too OP. Also Kuja Warriors; every single one of them can use haki

Law: OP fruit

New guy: strong enough to chop off an admirals hand which is very impressive. This guy might be possibly stronger than DD.

CP0: strongest cipher pol officers. Oda introduced them in the New world so might be very strong. Could be admiral class. Rob Lucci was above VA level so they could be close to Admiral or is Admiral level. There were 3 of them.

This are all the strong people who will not be hit by the massive hit you talked about. So after every fodder is gone, these guys fight the other guys.

I would argue there would be a pretty big difference between pirates who regularly sail the new world and military normally stationed at islands through the world. The new world's section of the grand line is by all intents and purposes the harshest environment on earth. Every pirate involved in this war will be a seasoned sailor of the new world. That involves at least having been present while traveling the grand line and in presumably multiple fights against powerful enemies. So even the weaker pirates will likely be capable fighters within the context of what should be expected of a militia at least.

The yonko don't have only 4 admiral class. WB was old and given was we saw he would have been stronger than an admiral in his prime. Odds are each of the 4 yonko is above any one admiral. Also, its not just the captains, the second in command of each crew are also likely to be up there. Even if they won't necessarily win their strength won't be something the admirals can easily get past of. Take marco, he meet several admirals through the great war. Jozu was defeated but you also have to consider the marines had the advantage from the start. The war was carefully planned and fought on their terms. It was the WB pirates that had to break through the marine blockade and plans.

Akainu took a leading role towards the end of the war but even that was after the WB pirates had taken everything the marines could throw. And even that involved BB taking on WB which I would argue actually helped the marines. Otherwise it would have been the marines who would have fought and taken down WB which is a dramatically different scenario. Several commanders would probably be able to handle admirals, through who would win is debatable. Marco's first more during the war was to overpower kizaru in a struggle. Jozu pushed back aokiji and lost after he was distracted by something that happened to WB IIRC. Vista was able to protect luffy from mihawk. Beckman was able to stop kizaru from hunting luffy with a freaking fun. Without the scenarios which pushed the commanders to the limit there is no way a lone admiral could take several of them. Well, doflamingo was able to take on luffy and law so in context the situation would be how many commanders and specifically which ones so its not a very straightforward scenario.

Marine captains are cannon fodder. We have yet to see a single one that would be worth something. If anything by far the most competent one we have seen is tashigi who has some degree of haki. Even commodores are not powerful to a extent which would be relevant here. Just look at pre time skip smoker. In a serious confrontation he would probably be defeated in a single hit against a VA or commander class fighter.

Rob lucci was not only not a VA class fighter, he would be fodder to one. He was a hakiless weakling, at least by the standards of the VAs we saw at the war. Even luffy could not defend himself from these guys during the war, there is a reason luffy was called a rookie through the first half of the manga. The VAs are all powerful fighters and by all intents and purposes the world governments main offensive force after the admirals. If the VAs are not at least overwhelmingly stronger than a rookie pirate then the world government wouldn't have anything to combat the commanders or its equivalents.

So the situation is that you have 4 yonko each of which is at least as strong if not stronger than an admiral. Then the second and perhaps third in command who should be people capable of giving admirals a run for their money. Then you have the rest of the main crew who are still powerful and experienced pirates. Times 4 that makes a total of 40 strong people. Then you have the allied crews to the yonko whose more relevant members are presumably comparable to commanders or VAs. count 30-50 for each yonko. Then their regular members who while not powerful are still seasoned new world sailors at least. So with the 4 yonko, their commanders and allied crews you easily have over 150 people whose strength is insane, they are all people whose strength is between that of an admiral and a VA. The world government in turn has 3 admirals, whatever number of VAs it has, the shichibukai, the pacifista and a few others of notable strength. There is a reason why shanks showing up at the war with 9 people ended the war. There is a reason the shichibukai are a thing even though there are only seven of them. There is a reason for which crocodile being defeated led to the great war. Its because one side having a single extra person of notable strength can have a huge impact. And in this case the WG is up against over 150 of notable strength while the WG has nowhere near that amount between its admirals, VAs and shichibukai. Even gathering the strongest person of every kingdom would not make much of a difference considering that in the vast majority of countries pell would probably be considered strong and even kyros was unusual in dressrosa.

 

[FetherMan]

You are forgetting the allied crews of the yonko. That could be anywhere between 30-50 crews each if the WB situation is a good example. Why would the armies of the affiliated countries be a thing? They didn't even show up for the WB war. Even then, bringing in that many numbers of ordinary people would not really help the WG. The cipher pools as we saw them would not really add anything. Well, CP0 could but CP 1 through 9 have been specifically shown as weak. I guess they wouldn't hurt but they wouldn't add much either.

To be fair here, the person who created this forum, should've just said "The 4 Yonkou" VS. The Marines". Because all I'm reading is technicalities on both sides. I even stated that, The World Government as a whole versus four Yonkou is an unfair battle to begin with.

The World Government are too well connected and organized. Let's just use "Corazon" for an example, who was secretly working for the WG. I imagine they have more pirates like this amongst all the crews of the 4 Yonkou (you could include Blackbeard pirate, Shiryu) and they have the Shichibukai. That's just for starters.

Plus, they obviously know about One Piece and God knows what else. The only real threat against WG is the Revolutionary Army in my opinion.

 

[kkck]

To be fair here, the person who created this forum, should've just said "The 4 Yonkou" VS. The Marines". Because all I'm reading is technicalities on both sides. I even stated that, The World Government as a whole versus four Yonkou is an unfair battle to begin with.

The World Government are too well connected and organized. Let's just use "Corazon" for an example, who was secretly working for the WG. I imagine they have more pirates like this amongst all the crews of the 4 Yonkou (you could include Blackbeard pirate, Shiryu) and they have the Shichibukai. That's just for starters.

Plus, they obviously know about One Piece and God knows what else. The only real threat against WG is the Revolutionary Army in my opinion.

Unfair against whom? Although it is true that a lot of this depends on who exactly is allowed to participate. The world government as a whole is a larger organization with more individually powerful fighters than any one yonko crew (without allies at least) however the situation would be turned if they are facing several yonko. I would argue that the main reason the government is able to actually keep some semblance of control over everything is that the yonko are not just unable to cooperate but rather they are enemies. So the WG is not actively facing them all at the same time.

The same can be said about pirates though. Look at doflamingo, he had one of his most loyal subordinates pass for a beloved member of the marines. The yonko control portions of the new world and are currently arming themselves up... They could as easily be as or more organized than doflamingo. I don't think they would be necessarily behind the world government when it comes to their information networks.

I also doubt the revolutionary army would be that powerful. It would be really hard to believe that they alone would be a force to match the world government. They are certainly numerous but its not like they would need admirals to free each country. Most countries don't have people like that anyways... I mean, the only nation so far we have seen with genuinely powerful people is dressrosa who has kyros (wano would be up there with kinemon and the other guy but they are not affiliated to the world government). Other than that no island we have seen so far has cared to produce anyone who would be relevant. Odds are the revolutionaries have about as many strong fighters as the yonko and the rest consists of large numbers of militia, enough to fight the armies of each nation they visit.

 

[Fox666]

I am not sure who would win.

I don't think it's fair to compare how well Whitebeard did against the Marines in Marineford. Half of the Shichibukai were working against the government, which is a huge deal.

From what we know, the Marines, Shichibukai and Yonko are all equal in power. However the later are prohibited of making alliances, making them potentially the strongest of the three. Going by Garp's explanation of the Yonko system, the Shichibukai were formed to shift the balance against them, implying that the Marines and Shichibukai together are indeed stronger than the four Yonko. Plus the government has some forces besides the Marines.

Of course if we go by the possibility of the Shichibukai betraying the government like they did in Marineford, the government is doomed.

 

[Mighty Action X]

If the 4 Yonkou would actually work together against the World Government then I believe that they will be more than enough to handle the World Government and their military forces but that is if they will actually work together. One or two Yonkou might not be able to take down the entire WG's military power but they can cause a huge damage that the World Government will be wide open.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Last time i remember a Yonkou was kicking the asses of 3 Admirals and his commanders did fight them toe to toe. So WG dont have a a chance on my card if they all fight together. Lets say the current 4 yonkou are half as strong Whitebeard... can you imagine the marineford war with 2 WBs? And half as strong is possible way underrated.

 

[I Am Atomic]

To be fair here, the person who created this forum, should've just said "The 4 Yonkou" VS. The Marines". Because all I'm reading is technicalities on both sides. I even stated that, The World Government as a whole versus four Yonkou is an unfair battle to begin with.

The World Government are too well connected and organized. Let's just use "Corazon" for an example, who was secretly working for the WG. I imagine they have more pirates like this amongst all the crews of the 4 Yonkou (you could include Blackbeard pirate, Shiryu) and they have the Shichibukai. That's just for starters.

Plus, they obviously know about One Piece and God knows what else. The only real threat against WG is the Revolutionary Army in my opinion.

That would be me.

I said WG because Marines does not stand a chance against 4 Yonko's so it will be a useless thread

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If the 4 Yonkou would actually work together against the World Government then I believe that they will be more than enough to handle the World Government and their military forces but that is if they will actually work together. One or two Yonkou might not be able to take down the entire WG's military power but they can cause a huge damage that the World Government will be wide open.

I did say they were working together at the start of the thread.

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Last time i remember a Yonkou was kicking the asses of 3 Admirals and his commanders did fight them toe to toe. So WG dont have a a chance on my card if they all fight together. Lets say the current 4 yonkou are half as strong Whitebeard... can you imagine the marineford war with 2 WBs? And half as strong is possible way underrated.

Which Yonko was that? WB?

The only admiral who got his ass kicked was Akainu, both Aokiji and Kizaru was both feeling good.

And that Injured Akainu who got his ass kicked fought all of the commanders (except jozu) + Crocodile. Neither of them won, but I see Akainu winning because he was taking them down one by one. The commander guy with a cannon who fought Moriah got defeated by Akainu. So those commanders were falling.
Marco cannot even overpower Akainu even with his regenerative abilities which is not infinite.

 

[Chojin]

Shanks takes care of the regular marines with his haki (thousands upon thousands). Blackbeard eliminates Akainu (the commander) easily with Darkness + Earthquake power (he is stronger than Whitebeard was). The other two Yonko seem like overkill.. I am not very impressed with the WG so far as they did poorly against only one Yonko but maybe it was because WB crew was the largest of the Yonko. Including elders (wild card) and CP0 (also wild card) maybe WG are stronger. Without them they would be toast if going by feats against WB (poor to pathetic).

 

[llaubacher]

Let me just leave some information here ...

1) Yonko = Marine HQ + Shichibukai (More like each of the Yonkous, as they are strong enough to take out the WG's top)

2) Blackbeard is unbeatable to the three admirals with just his Yami Yami no Mi. (So now that he has Gura Gura, screw everyone and everything)

3) (This is probably not helpful here though) Whitebeard = Roger = Shiki in terms of power.

Now, you can disagree with me, go ahead, but all of the points above were stated by Oda, so if you try to argue about it, good luck. For me it's clear, all 4 Yonkou united would seriously demolish the WG.

I did this just because someone here stated that the WG has 9 people of Admiral power. Well, just Whitebeard could take them all on ... and now there is Blackbeard.