Fantasy Alvarez vs God Tiers

[Seven777]

then there is no logical answers. we can only do basic maths

Well the logical answer is that RoT Acno wins, he's last on the list for a reason.

 

[EpicKralZ]

Erza didn't hurt ROT Acnologia. Her swords shattered upon impact against Acnologia's scales

Which was really stupid, it should take more than that to make an impact, like unison raid
Or maybe a ship.

In my opinion, Aldoron stomps the entire empire. The whole empire is a joke . God Serena (Alive) and Irene's (Dragon Form) magic are the only ones that can probably do damage against Aldoron. Brandish can boost them with enlargement . As for August, he can still think of his daddy and mommy issues while fighting.

 

[Axiomus]

is the multiplier only for ds?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 3, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 3, 2020 ---

aconologia is resistant to magic, other dragon gods arent

erza wasnt in her pof state

you are just showing the last panel. gajeel made aldron eat mud. buhumut size irene will kill this aldron with just a claw swipe. think about it
buhumut size irene physical strongth>>>gaint gajeel physical strength>>>>>dragon irene physical strength>>human irene physical stength>gajeel physical strength

as i said i know nothing lucy role.

But how is this an argument for August and Irene being able to damage the other god dragons? The other god dragons aren't immune to magic either. They still tanked attacks from all of team Natsu combined.

Explain to me why you think Erza had more POF when fighting Acnologia than Mercphobia.

I'm showing how the fight ended. Gajeel got wrecked. The fight lasted less than 3 minutes before Gajeel got impaled, and Aldoron received no major injuries and started soloing the guild straight away with thicket. Gajeel did pretty much nothing to stop Aldoron. Also remember, Gajeel fought a version of Aldoron after all the seeds were destroyed, which nerfed the speed of his attacks. At full power, Gajeel wouldn't even be able to see the first set of thorns coming.

Natsu's demolition fist only did 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 million points of HP. You'd have to have an attack that's 1 million times stronger than demolition fist to inflict 1% of actual damage to Aldoron. Nobody on Aldoron's back managed to damage him despite the fact they were fighting on his body this entire time. Strictly speaking, Aldoron no-sold every single attack that happened in this arc. The nuke with Irene's power that Wendy used to beat Nebal didn't even penetrate deep enough into the concrete foundations of the city to reach Aldoron's skin.

 

[sharkai]

But how is this an argument for August and Irene being able to damage the other god dragons?

Explain to me why you think Erza had more POF when fighting Mercphobia than Acnologia.

I'm showing how the fight ended. Gajeel got wrecked. The fight lasted less than 3 minutes before Gajeel got impaled, and Aldoron received no major injuries and started soloing the guild straight away with thicket. Gajeel did pretty much nothing to stop Aldoron's advances. Natsu's demolition fist only did 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 million points of HP. You'd have to have an attack that's 1 million times stronger than demolition fist to inflict 1% of damage to Aldoron.

dont pull me into fairy tail maths

it just means they can hurt them. aconologia needed to block. he even had to strain. meaning irene can harm the dragon gods, that is all. i am not saying she can seriously harm them. but they are not gods to characters like her

rot aconologia>>>50% mercphobia.
did you see how rot aconologia was blasted out of the sky, erza didnt do that to mercphobia. EOS erza was on another level.

no no. you are showing me gajeel lost. that is all. again imagine gajeel being 5 times bigger with that rainbow punch. you will actually see the definitio of wrecked

 

[Axiomus]

dont pull me into fairy tail maths

it just means they can hurt them. aconologia needed to block. he even had to strain. meaning irene can harm the dragon gods, that is all. i am not saying she can seriously harm them. but they are not gods to characters like her

rot aconologia>>>50% mercphobia.
did you see how rot aconologia was blasted out of the sky, erza didnt do that to mercphobia. EOS erza was on another level.

no no. you are showing me gajeel lost. that is all. again imagine gajeel being 5 times bigger with that rainbow punch. you will actually see the definitio of wrecked

Hey, these aren't numbers I'm making up. They were in the manga. We were told that to beat Aldoron, you would need to hit him with equivalent of 100 million demolition fists.

Whether or not Acnologia blocks is irrelevant. Nothing can harm him. He chose to eat Jellal's grand chariot. Doesn't mean it could harm him. He didn't block Igneel's roar. Didn't harm him either. The dragon gods are god tier characters to Irene.

Natsu gave a nakama speech and everything during the fight Mercphobia. He had POF when fighting Mercphobia, and Mercphobia no-sold his attacks. I don't put POF Erza above the combined might of team Natsu.

Also, Mercphobia is much larger than Acnologia. Unless Acnologia was actively exerting his strength to push, which he wasn't against Erza, Mercphobia is harder to move on account of his mass. You are putting way too much emphasis on Erza being able to move Acnologia. That's something the Christina airship can do. They still aren't able to hurt him, and we're not about to say that ramming the Christina airship into a god dragon is gonna kill them.

No, I showed you that Gajeel got stomped. In no way, shape, or form was that fight a stalemate. Max size had a time limit of 3 minutes. Gajeel lasted less than that.

 

[sharkai]

Hey, these aren't numbers I'm making up. They were in the manga. We were told that to beat Aldoron, you would need to hit him with equivalent of 100 million demolition fists.

Whether or not Acnologia blocks is irrelevant. Nothing can harm him. He chose to eat Jellal's grand chariot. Doesn't mean it could harm him. He didn't block Igneel's roar. Didn't harm him either. The dragon gods are god tier characters to Irene.

Natsu gave a nakama speech and everything during the fight Mercphobia. He had POF when fighting Mercphobia, and Mercphobia no-sold his attacks. I don't put POF Erza above the combined might of team Natsu.

Also, Mercphobia is much larger than Acnologia. Unless Acnologia was actively exerting his strength to push, which he wasn't against Erza, Mercphobia is harder to move on account of his mass. You are putting way too much emphasis on Erza being able to move Acnologia. That's something the Christina airship can do. They still aren't able to hurt him.

No, I showed you that Gajeel got stomped. In no way, shape, or form was that fight a stalemate. Max size had a time limit of 3 minutes. Gajeel lasted less than that.

its not like mishma does good maths

no they are not and aconologia is immune to magic

no if it was easy to move rot aconologia around. we would have seen it

no you showed me gajeel losing around 3 minutes mark, i dont think buhumut irene rainbow claw is gonna take three mintes to one shot aldron

we know where these gods stand. we know what hurts rot aconologia. and we know what it takes to take out aldron. provided rot acnologia> dragon gods and all dragon gods are around equal. alverzec can win with combining power strategy. rot aconologia might win, but others no way

 

[grey matter]

I see, Eileen wank is still going on lmao. God tier character, full power or 50%, will one shot her if they wish to.

50% Merc: took zero damage from x793 Erza's attack with DS magic, and from Natsu's attacks (before Ignia flames)
dragon Eileen: one shot by a clean blow from x792 Erza with DS magic

This is all we need to know here. Merc rofl stomps Eileen. I can't believe that this isn't self evident. God tier >>>>>>>>>>> August/Eileen tier. Nerfing them to 50% makes barely any difference here, because the discrepancy is far too high.

If this isn't enough, we also know for a fact that Acno, if not fucking around, could've one shot August, who's Eileen tier (when he killed Serena August couldn't even react and shat his pants). If dragons gods are Acno tier in stats, they too would one shot.

 

[Axiomus]

its not like mishma does good maths

no they are not and aconologia is immune to magic

no if it was easy to move rot aconologia around. we would have seen it

no you showed me gajeel losing around 3 minutes mark, i dont think buhumut irene rainbow claw is gonna take three mintes to one shot aldron

we know where these gods stand. we know what hurts rot aconologia. and we know what it takes to take out aldron. provided rot acnologia> dragon gods and all dragon gods are around equal. alverzec can win with combining power strategy. rot aconologia might win, but others no way

Doesn't matter. The portrayal he was going for is that Aldoron is ridiculously more durable than the firepower available to....well practically to the rest of humanity.

Yes, they are. They were portrayed to be on Acnologia's level, and Acnologia is a god tier compared to Irene.

We did see it.

I showed you Gajeel getting a giant hole blown through his chest. I honestly dunno why you keep making final fantasy reference. Anyways, Irene isn't oneshotting Aldoron period.

Alvarez gets stomped by Acnologia, and by extension Igneel. Aldoron makes quick work of them too. ROTS Acnologia wipes out humanity. So long as Acnologia doesn't bring anyone into the time rift, he's invincible. There is literally zero ways to actually hurt his dragon form. Even Fairy Sphere would only be a temporary setback, not like it's an option to Alvarez in the first place.

 

[sharkai]

Doesn't matter. The portrayal he was going for is that Aldoron is ridiculously more durable than the firepower available to....well practically to the rest of humanity.

Yes, they are. They were portrayed to be on Acnologia's level, and Acnologia is a god tier compared to Irene.

We did see it.

I showed you Gajeel getting a giant hole blown through his chest. I honestly dunno why you keep making final fantasy reference. Anyways, Irene isn't oneshotting Aldoron period.

Alvarez gets stomped by Acnologia, and by extension Igneel. Aldoron makes quick work of them too. ROTS Acnologia wipes out humanity. So long as Acnologia doesn't bring anyone into the time rift, he's invincible. There is literally zero ways to actually hurt his dragon form. Even Fairy Sphere would only be a temporary setback, not like it's an option to Alvarez in the first place.

look these are all hype. rot aconologia was killed by combined power of 7 ds. and majority of them far below springgan level. aldron was killed by much much less. we can easily scale aldron

i think there is a problem with terminology here, aconologia is to irene what laxus is to lucy. aka not god. irene can harm him. 7 lucys combined into one could maybe takeout laxus

no rot aconologia was moved only once. earlier they were screaming their heads off that aconologia is coming to magnolia. if they could have blasted him away, they would have.

you are saying gajeel was wrecked. which is not true. gajeel fought aldron toe to toe till he lost. gajeel was not being overwhelmed most of the fight.

hype vs feat i guess. these gods are untouchable hypewise, but featwise, 7ds combined are stronger or fairy tail guild with few stronger hitter missing and others not fresh plus brandish are enough to handle them

 

[Axiomus]

look these are all hype. rot aconologia was killed by combined power of 7 ds. and majority of them far below springgan level. aldron was killed by much much less. we can easily scale aldron

i think there is a problem with terminology here, aconologia is to irene what laxus is to lucy. aka not god. irene can harm him. 7 lucys combined into one could maybe takeout laxus

no rot aconologia was moved only once. earlier they were screaming their heads off that aconologia is coming to magnolia. if they could have blasted him away, they would have.

you are saying gajeel was wrecked. which is not true. gajeel fought aldron toe to toe till he lost. gajeel was not being overwhelmed most of the fight.

hype vs feat i guess. these gods are untouchable hypewise, but featwise, 7ds combined are stronger or fairy tail guild with few stronger hitter missing and others not fresh plus brandish are enough to handle them

It took everyone on Ishgar to take down ROTS Acnologia. It took Fairy Sphere to paralyze him so that he didn't just immediately kill Natsu. Then it took the dragon slayers combining their powers, and Lucy connecting everyone's power and sending it to Natsu. Literally everyone had to contribute. Even then, all this was only possible because Acnologia wanted to toy with the dragon slayers instead of just quickly killing them. Aldoron was taken out because the seeds being destroyed nerfed him. Otherwise, nobody would even be able to react to thicket. Again, Aldoron chose to toy with Natsu instead of just impaling him right off the bat.

Acnologia isn't to Irene what Laxus is to Lucy. Acnologia is stronger than the Alvarez Empire combined. So much so that Zeref, August, and Irene unanimously agree that their only chance was to obtain Fairy Heart.

There's no reason ROT Acnologia would be harder to move than regular Acnologia, unless he was actively using his magic power to boost his physical strength strength. Which he wasn't, as he wasn't even really exerting his physical strength at all. I don't see how pushing Acnologia towards the boat is any different than pushing Acnologia towards the rift.

Saying they fought toe to toe until Gajeel lost is meaningless, because he lost in less than 3 minutes. If you fight someone for less than 3 minutes and they blow a hole you in....You got wrecked.

 

[sharkai]

It took everyone on Ishgar to take down ROTS Acnologia. It took Fairy Sphere to paralyze him so that he didn't just immediately kill Natsu. Then it took the dragon slayers combining their powers, and Lucy connecting everyone's power and sending it to Natsu. Literally everyone had to contribute. Even then, all this was only possible because Acnologia wanted to toy with the dragon slayers instead of just quickly killing them. Aldoron was taken out because the seeds being destroyed nerfed him. Otherwise, nobody would even be able to react to thicket. Again, Aldoron chose to toy with Natsu instead of just impaling him right off the bat.

Acnologia isn't to Irene what Laxus is to Lucy. Acnologia is stronger than the Alvarez Empire combined. So much so that Zeref, August, and Irene unanimously agree that their only chance was to obtain Fairy Heart.

There's no reason ROT Acnologia would be harder to move than regular Acnologia, unless he was actively using his magic power to boost his physical strength strength. Which he wasn't, as he wasn't even really exerting his physical strength at all. I don't see how pushing Acnologia towards the boat is any different than pushing Acnologia towards the rift.

Saying they fought toe to toe until Gajeel lost is meaningless, because he lost in less than 3 minutes. If you fight someone for less than 3 minutes and they blow a hole you in....You got wrecked.

but rot aconologia is stronger than others, also immune to magic

featwise this isnt true, rot aconologia lost to 7ds. and i said before, i know nothing of lucy involvment. assuming she didnt do much. 7ds can one shot aconologia level characters

aldron seed combined isnt gonna do much. each of those seed are around what springgan tier. only aldron seed was super strong

we dont actually know how long fights go in fairy tail. if gajeel can hold aldron back for about 3 minutes, gaint dragon irene with all springgans power combined will do much much more

 

[Axiomus]

but rot aconologia is stronger than others, also immune to magic

featwise this isnt true, rot aconologia lost to 7ds. and i said before, i know nothing of lucy involvment. assuming she didnt do much. 7ds can one shot aconologia level characters

aldron seed combined isnt gonna do much. each of those seed are around what springgan tier. only aldron seed was super strong

we dont actually know how long fights go in fairy tail. if gajeel can hold aldron back for about 3 minutes, gaint dragon irene with all springgans power combined will do much much more

Sure. But the god dragons are on Acnologia's level in terms of stats. The god dragons can also no-sell attacks with dragon slaying magic, which is more effective than non-DS magic to begin with.

The 7DS can't beat a full powered Acnologia in his dragon form. What they did was cheese a win against a paralyzed spirit Acnologia in human form, made possible through the effort of the entire continent and Acnologia not taking them seriously.

The dragon slayers got strength from the voices of their loved ones. Lucy connected hearts with Natsu, and that gave him strength. There was even a part where Lucy sends her feelings to Natsu, and Natsu talks back to her on his side. I mean, there's waaaaaay more POF here than when Erza spammed swords at Acnologia. If you want to attribute POF as opposed to Wendy's enchantment being the primary factor of why Erza could take down Irene, same thing applies here.

I never said the seeds were strong. But defeating them nerfed Aldoron. At full power, his attacks were imperceptible to Natsu. At full power, Gajeel would get impaled by the first set of thorns before he has the chance to put up his iron skin.

20 minutes. That's how long Igneel was able to go against Acnologia. That's the benchmark for being around Acnologia's level, even if you're weaker. Irene might last longer than Gajeel's 3 minutes..but not by much. She'll go down to any attack stronger than Erza's slash. On the other hand, Aldoron isn't going down unless you got an attack millions of times stronger than Natsu's demolition fist.

 

[sharkai]

Sure. But the god dragons are on Acnologia's level in terms of stats. The god dragons can also no-sell attacks with dragon slaying magic, which is more effective than non-DS magic to begin with.

The 7DS can't beat a full powered Acnologia in his dragon form. What they did was cheese a win against a paralyzed spirit Acnologia in human form, made possible through the effort of the entire continent and Acnologia not taking them seriously.

The dragon slayers got strength from the voices of their loved ones. Lucy connected hearts with Natsu, and that gave him strength. There was even a part where Lucy sends her feelings to Natsu, and Natsu talks back to her on his side. I mean, there's waaaaaay more POF here than when Erza spammed swords at Acnologia. If you want to attribute POF as opposed to Wendy's enchantment being the primary factor of why Erza could take down Irene, same thing applies here.

I never said the seeds were strong. But defeating them nerfed Aldoron. At full power, his attacks were imperceptible to Natsu. At full power, Gajeel would get impaled by the first set of thorns before he has the chance to put up his iron skin.

20 minutes. That's how long Igneel was able to go against Acnologia. That's the benchmark for being around Acnologia's level, even if you're weaker. Irene might last longer than Gajeel's 3 minutes..but not by much. She'll go down to any attack stronger than Erza's slash. On the other hand, Aldoron isn't going down unless you got an attack millions of times stronger than Natsu's demolition fist.

rot aconologia should have better stats

rot aconologia to me is above dragon aconologia without rot

yes, with that, i dont know. but if we agree no pof is involved, then rot aconologia is weak

i don agree with million times stronger thing, because he lost to lot weaker move.

human gajeel isnt gonna last that long against dragon irene. dragon irene can one shot gajeel. gaint dragon irene should be able to one shot gaint gajeel as well. still far above aldron. now add all springgan power. i dont see how dragon aldron has any chance in hell here (atleast one we saw fight gaint gajeel, that is no match for giant dragon irene). i dont know how those seeds will make it better. irene still have enchantment, millions of soldiers and zeref

 

[Tirl]

Spriggans power combined won't be stronger than DS power combined. Combining DS magic creates enormous multipliers

Any combined magics multiplie power - stated by multiple characters through whole series.
Sherria linked with Juvia made them much stronger
Any Unison Raid makes spell much stronger
Wendy's enchantment makes people much stronger even if Wendy herself is weaker than they were before enchanting.

 

[Seven777]

Any combined magics multiplie power - stated by multiple characters through whole series.
Sherria linked with Juvia made them much stronger
Any Unison Raid makes spell much stronger
Wendy's enchantment makes people much stronger even if Wendy herself is weaker than they were before enchanting.

Sure, won't be anywhere close to what DS magic did for 7DS Natsu though

 

[Axiomus]

rot aconologia should have better stats

rot aconologia to me is above dragon aconologia without rot

yes, with that, i dont know. but if we agree no pof is involved, then rot aconologia is weak

i don agree with million times stronger thing, because he lost to lot weaker move.

human gajeel isnt gonna last that long against dragon irene. dragon irene can one shot gajeel. gaint dragon irene should be able to one shot gaint gajeel as well. still far above aldron. now add all springgan power. i dont see how dragon aldron has any chance in hell here (atleast one we saw fight gaint gajeel, that is no match for giant dragon irene). i dont know how those seeds will make it better. irene still have enchantment, millions of soldiers and zeref

He has more magic power, not necessarily more physical strength unless he using his MP to boost his physicals. And he simply wasn't exerting any physical strength when Erza pushed him, so he's only as hard to move as a dragon of his size.

But POF was involved. Regular Acnologia isn't weak to begin with, let alone RoTs Acnologia. Your entire argument is predicated on the fact that the 7 dragon slayers would be enough to beat Acnologia. That's not the case. First of all, the dragon slayers only fought Acnologia's spirit in human form, which is weaker than his dragon form to begin with. Then the entire continent had to work together to paralyze Acnologia by casting Fairy Sphere on his physical body, which is the only reason why Natsu didn't just get blown away by Acnologia. Then there's the fact that all the dragon slayers got POF from having their hearts connected with their loved ones.

It's what the manga told us. Natsu did 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 points of health. DF Natsu's secret art is arguably stronger than 7DS mode. There's a reason why DF Natsu is considered to be so OP right now. Tbh, we don't even have to scale from demolition fist. This is an attack done with Irene's power. It didn't even clear away the concrete foundations of the city to reach Aldoron's skin to register as one point of damage. Even if we assume this is 1% of Irene's power, an attack 100x as strong as this still isn't going to take out Aldoron.

Spoiler

Human Gajeel can last way longer than 3 minutes against Irene. Wendy was blocking Irene's explosions and Erza was straight up tanking them. She's not oneshotting Gajeel, let alone Aldoron.

Aldoron straight up has better feats than Irene. Even when nerfed. Skewering Natsu, skewering giant Gajeel, creating minions that can clone Zeref and Gildarts, and suppressing the entire guild with thicket. Zeref and his soldiers aren't going to make a difference. The army is going to get the same treatment the fleet of warships got. Besides Wolfen can summon an army of Makarovs, Gildarts, and Zeref. Heck, there's no reason why Wolfen can't just copy all of the Spriggan 12 by himself.

 

[sharkai]

He has more magic power, not necessarily more physical strength unless he using his MP to boost his physicals. And he simply wasn't exerting any physical strength when Erza pushed him, so he's only as hard to move as a dragon of his size.

But POF was involved. Regular Acnologia isn't weak to begin with, let alone RoTs Acnologia. Your entire argument is predicated on the fact that the 7 dragon slayers would be enough to beat Acnologia. That's not the case. First of all, the dragon slayers only fought Acnologia's spirit in human form, which is weaker than his dragon form to begin with. Then the entire continent had to work together to paralyze Acnologia by casting Fairy Sphere on his physical body, which is the only reason why Natsu didn't just get blown away by Acnologia. Then there's the fact that all the dragon slayers got POF from having their hearts connected with their loved ones.

It's what the manga told us. Natsu did 1 point of damage to Aldoron's 100,000,000 points of health. DF Natsu's secret art is arguably stronger than 7DS mode. There's a reason why DF Natsu is considered to be so OP right now. Tbh, we don't even have to scale from demolition fist. This is an attack done with Irene's power. It didn't even clear away the concrete foundations of the city to reach Aldoron's skin to register as one point of damage. Even if we assume this is 1% of Irene's power, an attack 100x as strong as this still isn't going to take out Aldoron.

Spoiler

Human Gajeel can last way longer than 3 minutes against Irene. Wendy was blocking Irene's explosions and Erza was straight up tanking them. She's not oneshotting Gajeel, let alone Aldoron.

Aldoron straight up has better feats than Irene. Even when nerfed. Skewering Natsu, skewering giant Gajeel, creating minions that can clone Zeref and Gildarts, and suppressing the entire guild with thicket. Zeref and his soldiers aren't going to make a difference. The army is going to get the same treatment the fleet of warships got. Besides Wolfen can summon an army of Makarovs, Gildarts, and Zeref. Heck, there's no reason why Wolfen can't just copy all of the Spriggan 12 by himself.

one moment, lets ignore pof for one moment (we will introduce it later ok)
say if no pof was involved and fairy sphere did nothing other than restrict aconologia movement.
then 7ds attacked one shotted him, correct?

no that is not what i meant. gaint gajeel lasted around 3minutes against aldron. how long do you think normal gajeel will last against dragon irene. but remember he has to fight like he fought aldron, no dodging, and mostly no magic, so we get a good comparison of strength. so how long will this gajeel last against dragon irene

then we can add all the seeds and all springgans to see the final result

 

[Axiomus]

one moment, lets ignore pof for one moment (we will introduce it later ok)
say if no pof was involved and fairy sphere did nothing other than restrict aconologia movement.
then 7ds attacked one shotted him, correct?

no that is not what i meant. gaint gajeel lasted around 3minutes against aldron. how long do you think normal gajeel will last against dragon irene. but remember he has to fight like he fought aldron, no dodging, and mostly no magic, so we get a good comparison of strength. so how long will this gajeel last against dragon irene

then we can add all the seeds and all springgans to see the final result

Why pretend POF wasn't involved? You don't ignore it when Erza took out Irene. There is just as much POF going on in the dragon slayer fight as when Erza took out Irene....if not moreso.

Against dragon Irene? Longer than he lasted against human Acnologia. Also, Irene wouldn't be larger than giant Gajeel if Brandish enlarged her. She'd just be as big as Aldoron, but with less strength and MP.

Sure, but Aldoron doesn't need all the seeds. He can honestly solo with his dragon form. He has the option of sending Wolfen to clone an army of Makarovs to deal with the Alvarez troops, or have a Zeref clone stalemate the actual Zeref, or have Gildarts clone take out a few Spriggans. But those are just options.

 

[sharkai]

Why pretend POF wasn't involved? You don't ignore it when Erza took out Irene. There is just as much POF going on in the dragon slayer fight as when Erza took out Irene....if not moreso.

Against dragon Irene? Longer than he lasted against human Acnologia. Also, Irene wouldn't be larger than giant Gajeel if Brandish enlarged her. She'd just be as big as Aldoron, but with less strength and MP.

Sure, but Aldoron doesn't need all the seeds. He can honestly solo with his dragon form. He has the option of sending Wolfen to clone an army of Makarovs to deal with the Alvarez troops, or have a Zeref clone stalemate the actual Zeref, or have Gildarts clone take out a few Spriggans. But those are just options.

because we can classify it latter, if you are not interested fine. you had no problem easily calculating for erza that atleast laxus and jellal can do it. so why cant fuking million of soldiers and zeref do same. all fresh, and against weaker opponent than rot aconologia

no way in hell. there no reason talking to you if you are gonna act like this. erza can mid diff gajeel. if erza is only allowed to punch and block against dragon irene (just like giant gajeel fought) she wont last 2 seconds against dragon irene.
no no. thats your opinion. base strength of gajeel increased alot. base strength of dragon irene should increase proportionally. and her size too

not from what we have seen. if you dont wish to explore, its fine by me. i just think it was an interesting opportunity missed by mishma. springgans vs aconologia could have been awesome

 

[Brandish μ]

I think I can give Alvarez the first two rounds, on the provision that Aldoron fights them at a similar level he did FT.

I can't see them besting Igneel, who is the closest thing to Acno.