Fantasy Alvarez vs God Tiers

[Vex_Haid]

Cause Natsu blocked his roar?

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My bad, shouldn't have bothered lmao

are you talking about a roar like merc just screaming or like the one that spits out water (dont know how to explain)

 

[Axiomus]

hax =/= strength, spriggans are mainly hax

irene is weak to DS magic thats why

how come?

the pain that wendy felt =/= the pain that aldo felt, do you not remember natsu dealing alot of pain to aldo?

natsu literally blew a hole in aldos head lol

show me aldoron having a counter to age scratch (which is a 1 hit k.o) or mind hax (like how he made brandish go to sleep with mind hax)

3 minutes is more then enough time

the same seeds that got beaten by jellal,wendy,gray,juvia? or are you talking about godseed aldo? if ur talking about godseed aldo then

1. natsu was able to react to aldoron for some time, so irene and august should have no trouble reacting to it

2. spriggans have racers magic and timestop so speed doesn't matter

Spriggan hax have been shown to fail against superior strength.

Yeah, because she's a dragon. FDK Natsu and Erza had dragon slaying magic against Merc and Aldo. They did nothing. The Spriggans enchanted with DS won't do any better.

No, I don't remember Natsu dealing a lot of pain to Aldo. I remember him dealing a lot of damage to Aldo. But damage =/= pain. Aldoron only died because Natsu destroyed his brain seed. Aldoron actually recovered from injuries that Acnologia inflicted. If all Dimaria is inflicting is pain, Aldoron can just fight anyways. There is a hard cap to how much pain you can feel anyways. Anyone who isn't a wimp could tank Dimaria's age seal. Don't even need to be a mage.

3 minutes is nowhere near enough time for August to deal damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol.

Obvioiusly I was talking about the Aldoron seed. Natsu couldn't react to Aldoron until the seeds started getting destroyed. Full power Aldoron seed skewers the Spriggans with thicket before they can blink.

 

[Vex_Haid]

are you talking about a roar like merc just screaming or like the one that spits out water (dont know how to explain)

this one for example

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Spriggan hax have been shown to fail against superior strength.

Yeah, because she's a dragon. FDK Natsu and Erza had dragon slaying magic against Merc and Aldo. They did nothing. The Spriggans enchanted with DS won't do any better.

No, I don't remember Natsu dealing a lot of pain to Aldo. I remember him dealing a lot of damage to Aldo. But damage =/= pain. Aldoron only died because Natsu destroyed his brain seed. Aldoron actually recovered from injuries that Acnologia inflicted. If all Dimaria is inflicting is pain, Aldoron can just fight anyways. There is a hard cap to how much pain you can feel anyways. Anyone who isn't a wimp could tank Dimaria's age seal. Don't even need to be a mage.

3 minutes is nowhere near enough time for August to deal damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol.

ill respond to this later

 

[grey matter]

are you talking about a roar like merc just screaming or like the one that spits out water (dont know how to explain)

This one

Spoiler

This roar isn't getting stopped by any Spriggan, it needed Natsu at his strongest DF ever shown in the series to be stopped.
x793 Ignia DF Natsu >>> x793 DF Natsu (without amp) >>> x792 DF Natsu ~ FH Zeref (in stats) >> Zeref > Spriggans

Merc roars and all the Spriggans die

 

[Vex_Haid]

Spriggan hax have been shown to fail against superior strength.

just brandish and not stength, just superior magic power, notice how brandish was able to shrink augusts wound? a wound is completely different from magic power itself

Yeah, because she's a dragon. FDK Natsu and Erza had dragon slaying magic against Merc and Aldo. They did nothing.

because merc and aldo have better DS resistance then irene

The Spriggans enchanted with DS won't do any better.

they will be using hax, team natsu were using brute force, hax is different from brute force.

No, I don't remember Natsu dealing a lot of pain to Aldo. I remember him dealing a lot of damage to Aldo. But damage =/= pain.

yeah damage and pain are sometimes different i agree

Aldoron only died because Natsu destroyed his brain seed.

age scratch should be able to do that since he was screaming once natsu activated it, once irene enchants dimaria with DS magic she just uses it on aldo and bye bye

Aldoron actually recovered from injuries that Acnologia inflicted.

we dont know how long tho

If all Dimaria is inflicting is pain, Aldoron can just fight anyways.

doubt he can fight all the pain he felt in his life

There is a hard cap to how much pain you can feel anyways. Anyone who isn't a wimp could tank Dimaria's age seal. Don't even need to be a mage.

isn't age seal like timestop or so? how can stopping time be tanked? Lol

3 minutes is nowhere near enough time for August to deal damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol.

giant gajeel was knocking woodchips off of aldoron, imagine august enchanted by irene + the size of aldoron also august can counter his durability with hax, i'm sure that august can deal damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDKDF, even jacob survived one

Obvioiusly I was talking about the Aldoron seed. Natsu couldn't react to Aldoron until the seeds started getting destroyed. Full power Aldoron seed skewers the Spriggans with thicket before they can blink.

he wont be fast enough to skewer irene and august thats for sure, besides they can counter his speed with

-time slow

-precog

-timestop

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This one

Spoiler

This roar isn't getting stopped by any Spriggan, it needed Natsu at his strongest DF ever shown in the series to be stopped.
x793 Ignia DF Natsu >>> x793 DF Natsu (without amp) >>> x792 DF Natsu ~ FH Zeref (in stats) >> Zeref > Spriggans

Merc roars and all the Spriggans die

Oh k i thought you were talking about a regular roar (like just a dragon screaming and stuff)

the only spriggans that i can see taking it with injuries are august and irene, since its just 50%

but they can outhax merc before he uses it also cant GS just eat his water?

 

[Axiomus]

Stop writing your posts in a way that's intentionally difficult to quote.

just brandish and not stength, just superior magic power, notice how brandish was able to shrink augusts wound? a wound is completely different from magic power itself


because merc and aldo have better DS resistance then irene


they will be using hax, team natsu were using brute force, hax is different from brute force.


yeah damage and pain are sometimes different i agree


age scratch should be able to do that since he was screaming once natsu activated it, once irene enchants dimaria with DS magic she just uses it on aldo and bye bye


we dont know how long tho


doubt he can fight all the pain he felt in his life


isn't age seal like timestop or so? how can stopping time be tanked? Lol


giant gajeel was knocking woodchips off of aldoron, imagine august enchanted by irene + the size of aldoron also august can counter his durability with hax, i'm sure that august can deal damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDKDF, even jacob survived one


he wont be fast enough to skewer irene and august thats for sure, besides they can counter his speed with

-time slow

-precog

-timestop

Dimaria's hax failed against END because he was too strong too. Brandish's hax failed against Neinhart, END, and Aldoron because they were too strong too.

Merc and Aldo don't have better "DS resistance", which isn't a thing. They have better durability in general, which allows them to tank DS attacks better.

Aldoron isn't going to just collapse when he feels pain. Like I said, there's a maximum threshold for pain because of the way neurons work. Age Scratch isn't even better than Kyouka max pain, which makes you feel the maximum amount of pain possible. Erza was able to suck it up and keep fighting. No reason Aldoron couldn't. He just has to be....you know, not a wimp. Even in real life, people have been able to keep fighting when they've been stabbed or shot, or even when they've lost limbs.

Oh, I meant age scratch. Age Seal isn't even going to affect a God Dragon because of the massive difference in power. Age Scratch is useless even if it works on Aldoron, because Aldoron isn't a wimp.

Gajeel did no lasting damage to Aldoron. He didn't chip Aldoron's body. He didn't even damage the cities built on Aldoron's body more than Aldoron's own foot stomps. Gajeel also didn't hold his own against Aldoron. He got wrecked. He didn't manage to last the full 3 minutes.

August is not dealing damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol. Even Zeref with Fairy Heart isn't dealing that type of damage. Heck, Zeref with FH lost to a FDK destruction fist.

 

[Sevently]

Stop writing your posts in a way that's intentionally difficult to quote.



Dimaria's hax failed against END because he was too strong too. Brandish's hax failed against Neinhart, END, and Aldoron because they were too strong too.

Merc and Aldo don't have better "DS resistance", which isn't a thing. They have better durability in general, which allows them to tank DS attacks better.

Aldoron isn't going to just collapse when he feels pain. Like I said, there's a maximum threshold for pain because of the way neurons work. Age Scratch isn't even better than Kyouka max pain, which makes you feel the maximum amount of pain possible. Erza was able to suck it up and keep fighting. No reason Aldoron couldn't. He just has to be....you know, not a wimp. Even in real life, people have been able to keep fighting when they've been stabbed or shot, or even when they've lost limbs.

Oh, I meant age scratch. Age Seal isn't even going to affect a God Dragon because of the massive difference in power. Age Scratch is useless even if it works on Aldoron, because Aldoron isn't a wimp.

Gajeel did no lasting damage to Aldoron. He didn't chip Aldoron's body. He didn't even damage the cities built on Aldoron's body more than Aldoron's own foot stomps. Gajeel also didn't hold his own against Aldoron. He got wrecked. He didn't manage to last the full 3 minutes.

August is not dealing damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol. Even Zeref with Fairy Heart isn't dealing that type of damage. Heck, Zeref with FH lost to a FDK destruction fist.

Dimaria hax failed against END only because he has time resistance, not because he has higher MP, or was stronger.

 

[Axiomus]

Dimaria hax failed against END only because he has time resistance, not because he has higher MP, or was stronger.

END doesn't have time resistance. It's power simply surpassed that of the god, Chronos.

 

[WoWfan]

Yeah, that is hax considering she said Only END is capable of that, even the Q&A made a point of this.

 

[grey matter]

Oh k i thought you were talking about a regular roar (like just a dragon screaming and stuff)

the only spriggans that i can see taking it with injuries are august and irene, since its just 50%

but they can outhax merc before he uses it also cant GS just eat his water?

Human Acno himself can one shot August/Eileen. The attack which one shotted Serena would be enough.

Merc scales to 50% dragon Acno in stats, which is >> human Acno.
One serious roar and all the Spriggans die. August and Eileen would get disintegrated by that roar.

GS being able to eat his water? Maybe in small scales, but this dude is going around flipping entire oceans. GS isn't eating any of that.

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Merc and Aldo don't have better "DS resistance", which isn't a thing. They have better durability in general, which allows them to tank DS attacks better.

They're literally arguing on headcanon.

Like, wtf are "DS resistance", "time resistance" etc? Absolutely ridiculous

It's futile trying to reason with these

 

[sharkai]

This one

Spoiler

This roar isn't getting stopped by any Spriggan, it needed Natsu at his strongest DF ever shown in the series to be stopped.
x793 Ignia DF Natsu >>> x793 DF Natsu (without amp) >>> x792 DF Natsu ~ FH Zeref (in stats) >> Zeref > Spriggans

Merc roars and all the Spriggans die

actually that roar can be stopped. by your favorite character. who you think can copy ds.
merc starts to roar. august copy ds magic of his. roar reaches august. august eats it.
roar stopped

 

[grey matter]

actually that roar can be stopped. by your favorite character. who you think can copy ds.
merc starts to roar. august copy ds magic of his. roar reaches august. august eats it.
roar stopped

That's not how it works and you know it.
August isn't my fav character either lol. You think cause I don't like Eileen that I like August? Both are trash, Eileen worse.
I say he can copy DS magic because his fire attack was literally shown in one of the panels while explaining his copy magic

If just being same element was enough, Natsu wouldn't have been burned by Ignia's flames, and this was when it wasn't even meant to hurt Natsu but just power him up.

Ignia DF Natsu >>>> August, yet he got burned by Ignia's flames

August gets one shot through his resistance.

 

[sharkai]

That's not how it works and you know it.
August isn't my fav character either lol. You think cause I don't like Eileen that I like August? Both are trash, Eileen worse.
I say he can copy DS magic because his fire attack was literally shown in one of the panels while explaining his copy magic

If just being same element was enough, Natsu wouldn't have been burned by Ignia's flames, and this was when it wasn't even meant to hurt Natsu but just power him up.

Ignia DF Natsu >>>> August, yet he got burned by Ignia's flames

August gets one shot through his resistance.

he doesnt use resistance. he eats all. serena and eileen can help him

 

[Sevently]

END doesn't have time resistance. It's power simply surpassed that of the god, Chronos.

It was stated that END has time resistance, and that was the only reason of why he could moove in her time stop.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It was stated that END has time resistance, and that was the only reason of why he could moove in her time stop.

Mashima never said anything like this. He only said the power of END. Power can be taken in any way. He never said time resistance of END

 

[Hexbend]

Dimeria's time magic is pretty weird because the way she worded it and Mashima worded it in the Q&A most defiantly implies that more MP does not mean you can resist it.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Stop writing your posts in a way that's intentionally difficult to quote.



Dimaria's hax failed against END because he was too strong too. Brandish's hax failed against Neinhart, END, and Aldoron because they were too strong too.

Merc and Aldo don't have better "DS resistance", which isn't a thing. They have better durability in general, which allows them to tank DS attacks better.

Aldoron isn't going to just collapse when he feels pain. Like I said, there's a maximum threshold for pain because of the way neurons work. Age Scratch isn't even better than Kyouka max pain, which makes you feel the maximum amount of pain possible. Erza was able to suck it up and keep fighting. No reason Aldoron couldn't. He just has to be....you know, not a wimp. Even in real life, people have been able to keep fighting when they've been stabbed or shot, or even when they've lost limbs.

Oh, I meant age scratch. Age Seal isn't even going to affect a God Dragon because of the massive difference in power. Age Scratch is useless even if it works on Aldoron, because Aldoron isn't a wimp.

Gajeel did no lasting damage to Aldoron. He didn't chip Aldoron's body. He didn't even damage the cities built on Aldoron's body more than Aldoron's own foot stomps. Gajeel also didn't hold his own against Aldoron. He got wrecked. He didn't manage to last the full 3 minutes.

August is not dealing damage equivalent to 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists lol. Even Zeref with Fairy Heart isn't dealing that type of damage. Heck, Zeref with FH lost to a FDK destruction fist.

bruh what? where was it stated that END was to strong? END obviously has immunity to timestop, besides u can argue that END>Dragon gods since

1. Igneel couldn't kill him
2. Acnologia was scared of him
3. END was made to kill zeref (zeref is stronger then a dragon god)

and we saw dimarias timestop work on brandish, brandish shrinked dimaria and we all know that brandish cant shrink people stronger then herself so END obviously has TS immunity , brandish's hax failed on neinhart because she couldn't shrink his magic POWER, however organs are different from magic power itself, like how brandish was able to make natsus tumor bigger yet she couldn't affect someone who is massively weaker then him with her MP, in fact she even shrank augusts wound with her magic, a wound is different from magic power itself.

I honestly dont know what you mean here, if irene got one shotted by erzas DS enchanned sword (which was enchanned by wendy) then why didn't she get one shot by wendy when she was in her human form? you make no sense, irenes dragon form wasn't that resistant to DS magic, some dragons have less DS resistance then the others, just like how motherglare was not affected by DS magic but irene was.

if erza can resist something then that doesn't means that aldoron can, how is kyokas max pain better then age scratch? if age scratch was used on erza then erza would have felt the pain that kyoka gave her + pain from the rest of her life, age scratch is WAYYYYYY better then kyokas pain thingy, some people have even felt enough pain to the point where they got knocked out and plus the rest of the paint that they felt in there entire life? yeah its a one hit K.O ability even if it isn't age scratch can still hold off aldoron long enough for irene to transmute him or jacob to bfr him or august or larcade to put him to sleep

Age Seal cant affect aldoron because of his dragon scales but in this case irene enchants dimaria with DS magic and then age seal will work on aldoron, the massive power difference does't matters, just like how erza was able to one shot dragon irene desipite the massive power difference. age scratch is not useless on aldoron, it can hold off aldoron long enough or even k.o him, when has aldoron ever resisted all the pain that he felt in his life? especially the pain when he fought acnologia lol

actually gajeel lasted just a tiny little bit then 3 minutes but thats still an impressive feat and yes he was knocking wood off of aldorons body, like alot

why isn't he? even jacob took a FDK destruction fist without any blood (manga has blood and he didn't bleed in it), and obviously zeref cant deal as much damage as 100M FDK destruction fists because hes not a combat type person but someone that just has hax lol, he only lost to the FDK destruction fist was because of plot, cause even jacob survived it

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Human Acno himself can one shot August/Eileen. The attack which one shotted Serena would be enough.

Merc scales to 50% dragon Acno in stats, which is >> human Acno.
One serious roar and all the Spriggans die. August and Eileen would get disintegrated by that roar.

GS being able to eat his water? Maybe in small scales, but this dude is going around flipping entire oceans. GS isn't eating any of that.

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dragon merc scales to tenrou acno in stats but 50% tenrou acno>alvarez human acno so merc probably can one shot them i guess, but they can just dodge, irene can null mercs magic with matter manip and august can copy it

why not? GS has water immunity, it doesn't matters how strong it is

 

[Axiomus]

It was stated that END has time resistance, and that was the only reason of why he could moove in her time stop.

No it wasn't. Show me otherwise.

Dimeria's time magic is pretty weird because the way she worded it and Mashima worded it in the Q&A most defiantly implies that more MP does not mean you can resist it.

The Q&A didn't explain anything. It just had Mirajane repeating "END power!" like a broken record. No explanation of what END's power actually did. It's a massive reach to take that as meaning END had powers specifically made to counter age seal. Especially considering that it doesn't help kill Zeref, and there's absolutely no reason Zeref would need to make END resistant to age seal. END was made as a fire demon to kill Zeref.

bruh what? where was it stated that END was to strong? END obviously has immunity to timestop, besides u can argue that END>Dragon gods since

1. Igneel couldn't kill him
2. Acnologia was scared of him
3. END was made to kill zeref (zeref is stronger then a dragon god)

Dimaria said that END's power surpassed that of a god, namely Chronos. It's why he was moving in her age seal.

No, END is far weaker than any God Dragons.

• Igneel can easily kill END. He just refused to because he loved Natsu. In fact, Natsu pointed out that Igneel could have crushed him with a toe, and Zeref agreed.
• Acnologia denied being scared of him. He literally laughed in Igneel's face for suggesting it. One could even say he punished Igneel for it.
• It was never stated that END can kill Zeref. Not once in the entire manga. You can quote me on this, I've checked. In fact, Zeref's entire plan to have Natsu trained undermines END's ability to kill him. Also, Zeref isn't stronger than a god dragon.

and we saw dimarias timestop work on brandish, brandish shrinked dimaria and we all know that brandish cant shrink people stronger then herself so END obviously has TS immunity , brandish's hax failed on neinhart because she couldn't shrink his magic POWER, however organs are different from magic power itself, like how brandish was able to make natsus tumor bigger yet she couldn't affect someone who is massively weaker then him with her MP, in fact she even shrank augusts wound with her magic, a wound is different from magic power itself.

The bold part literally makes no sense. Seeing Dimaria's powers work on Brandish, and Brandish's power work on Dimaria, has absolutely nothing to do with END having TS immunity.

Brandish and Dimaria's powers work against each other, because they are on the same level. Their powers don't work against END, because it's power far surpasses theirs. Also, the demon seed got stronger over time. Brandish could affect it in the beginning, but it grew to the point where she could no longer do so.

I honestly dont know what you mean here, if irene got one shotted by erzas DS enchanned sword (which was enchanned by wendy) then why didn't she get one shot by wendy when she was in her human form? you make no sense, irenes dragon form wasn't that resistant to DS magic, some dragons have less DS resistance then the others, just like how motherglare was not affected by DS magic but irene was.

Because Erza hits harder than Wendy.

There is no such thing as DS resistance. It's just durability. Irene is simply far less durable than the god dragons. Because God Dragons are Acno tier. What about this is so hard to grasp?

if erza can resist something then that doesn't means that aldoron can, how is kyokas max pain better then age scratch? if age scratch was used on erza then erza would have felt the pain that kyoka gave her + pain from the rest of her life, age scratch is WAYYYYYY better then kyokas pain thingy, some people have even felt enough pain to the point where they got knocked out and plus the rest of the paint that they felt in there entire life? yeah its a one hit K.O ability even if it isn't age scratch can still hold off aldoron long enough for irene to transmute him or jacob to bfr him or august or larcade to put him to sleep

Yeah, it does. Aldoron can tank 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists. Erza can't.

Max pain is better than age scratch, because it makes you feel the maximum amount of pain possible. Pain doesn't add up infinitely. There is a neurological limit to how much pain you can feel. If you sustain enough damage, there comes to a point where your body simply doesn't register any additional stimuli. Like I said, you don't even have to be a mage to resist age scratch. You just need to not be a wimp.

Age Scratch doesn't even have the means to stop Wendy. It ain't stopping Aldoron lol.

Age Seal cant affect aldoron because of his dragon scales but in this case irene enchants dimaria with DS magic and then age seal will work on aldoron, the massive power difference does't matters, just like how erza was able to one shot dragon irene desipite the massive power difference. age scratch is not useless on aldoron, it can hold off aldoron long enough or even k.o him, when has aldoron ever resisted all the pain that he felt in his life? especially the pain when he fought acnologia lol

No. Age seal won't affect Aldoron because he is leagues above her, just like END is. Nothing to do with his dragon scales tbh.

But it actually doesn't matter, because Age Seal and Age Scratch are in direct conflict with each other. Even if age seal does work on Aldoron, Dimaria still has no means of actually damaging Aldoron. Age scratch is useless because you can't feel anything when frozen in time. Even if Dimaria's magic does work on Aldoron, which it wouldn't, she still has no means of beating him. She either keeps him in age seal until everyone runs out of MP, and Aldoron just crushes them....Or she tries to age scratch him, and everyone gets skewered or stepped on in retaliation.

actually gajeel lasted just a tiny little bit then 3 minutes but thats still an impressive feat and yes he was knocking wood off of aldorons body, like alot

Gajeel got wrecked in less than 3 minutes. He wasn't knocking any wood off of Aldoron's body. Aldoron took no visible damage from Gajeel's attacks.

why isn't he? even jacob took a FDK destruction fist without any blood (manga has blood and he didn't bleed in it), and obviously zeref cant deal as much damage as 100M FDK destruction fists because hes not a combat type person but someone that just has hax lol, he only lost to the FDK destruction fist was because of plot, cause even jacob survived it

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Because his best non-suicide feat, melt, was negated by Natsu.

Jacob got wrecked by FDK desturction fist. Merely standing in it's presence caused Jacob to burn up. You need to do more than survive an FDK destruction fist to defeat Aldoron. You need to hit 100,000,000 times harder, and August simply doesn't have an attack on that level.

 

[Hexbend]

The Q&A didn't explain anything. It just had Mirajane repeating "END power!" like a broken record. No explanation of what END's power actually did. It's a massive reach to take that as meaning END had powers specifically made to counter age seal. Especially considering that it doesn't help kill Zeref, and there's absolutely no reason Zeref would need to make END resistant to age seal. END was made as a fire demon to kill Zeref.

A massive reach? When the words and the way their said directly imply that?

It would absolutely help with the death of Zeref as it would allow him to bypass Zeref's TS if Zeref for some reason fought back

 

[Axiomus]

A massive reach? When the words and the way their said directly imply that?

It would absolutely help with the death of Zeref as it would allow him to bypass Zeref's TS if Zeref for some reason fought back

Yeah, it's a massive reach. They didn't explain anything. Lucy asked how Natsu was able to move in stop time, and Mirajane said "Maybe it's a power he got for being END". That doesn't tell us anything about how END's power lets him move in Dimaria's time. For all we know, END could have resistance against all magic, not just age seal.

Natsu could already move in Zeref's time stop in Tartaros. Without END's powers. Also, Zeref could just...you know, not use it. Cuz he's trying to die.