American Politics

[kkck]

Eh, both sides of the media suck. The anti-Trump sources played a huge part in him becoming a president when they didn't cover Muslims doing good acts or white people doing bad things or whatnot.

What does that have to do with what I am saying?

 

[M3J]

All of it. Of course the right wing media is thrilled about this which is perhaps worst but the media that is supposed to be critical of trump limited itself to saying "Trump says this, trump says that"...

You're saying the media that's supposed to be critical of Trump only reports on the shit he says, and I'm saying that it's not shocking, given all things. Though, some sources do more, like list his lies and call him out.

 

[kkck]

Well, at least we have comedians to tell us trump is shamelessly lying through his teeth. Well, he stopped short of calling trump a lair though he at least pointed out none of what trump is saying is anything in the vicinity of true nor coherent.

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So... does anyone know anything about the deal between parties regarding the obamacare subsidies? I haven't really read much about this but I still can't help but wonder why democrats would bother with a deal here. I mean, over the past few days trump actually did good on his threat to take away obamacare subsidies. But why would that be something on which democrats need to reach a deal on? This is something trump did by himself and for democrats to profit from it politically is to call out trump on sabotaging the markets and being the literally only cause of the immediate premium hikes which followed. What do democrats get out of the deal? Maybe, probably even, I lack important information but wouldn't democrats accepting a deal mean they are kinda spineless? What I am missing here?

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Nice, a few arrests on the russia probe. ANd fairly serious charges AND admissions of guilt. Kinda looking forward to the trump meltdown now.

 

[M3J]

I dunno, don't be surprised to see republicans doing everything they can to protect Trump or someone from his cabinet, especially if it makes them all look guilty. And then there's Trump supporters to worry about, given how crazy and illogical they are/can get.

 

[kkck]

I dunno, don't be surprised to see republicans doing everything they can to protect Trump or someone from his cabinet, especially if it makes them all look guilty. And then there's Trump supporters to worry about, given how crazy and illogical they are/can get.

What difference does any of that make to the case itself? The indictments were still made, a guy already confessed to lying to the FBI about his contacts with russian folk and apparently was told about the stolen emails well before the whole thing was made public. Fox news can say whatever it wants, it does not matter even one bit.

 

[M3J]

Wouldn't republicans be able to somehow influence what the conclusion would be?

 

[shionoro]

The real question is whether Trump dares to Pardon them or fire Mueller.

 

[kkck]

The real question is whether Trump dares to Pardon them or fire Mueller.

Oh, he certainly dares. But there are a lot of "ifs" when it comes to this IMO. Firing muller, IMO, would happen only if trump himself or his family are in danger. Barring that I would think trump has at least enough intelligence to know how bad firing muller would be for him. As for pardons, to me those are a matter of "when", not "if". And even then pardons wouldn't necessarily go for everyone. Of course, if he selectively pardons then trump would be more or less indicating where people should look at the hardest though. I did read a bit about how pardoning could be bad for him in the sense that if pardoned people are called to testify about stuff they can't plead the fifth. Basically since they have been pardoned they wouldn't be able to plead the fifth as they couldn't be imprisoned over what they say which could actually backfire on trump. In any case, at least the majority of trump's advisers are against trump doing any of this, that could potentially keep him in check for some time. Still, I can't say I would be surprised if trump starts handing out pardons sooner than what most of us would otherwise expect.

 

[Styx]

Why would there be a Trump meltdown over this though @kkck, if I may ask? Manafort and Papadopoulos' charges has nothing to do with the supposed ties to the "Russia collusion" (by Trump) story that most left media has been pushing for nearly a year. Not a single thing. Manafort laundered money for his own lush living style and Papadopoulos has only admitted to lying to the FBI concerning contacts of his own benefits. Unless I missed something with actual evidence?

Meanwhile the DNC and Clinton has been proven to have colluded with Russia over the fake dossier (they purchased for millions and used up to a few days prior to the election) and more using FusionGPS which has known Kremlin ties, and nobody gives a shit. And of course everyone in the DNC got miraculous amnesia about who was behind it all so oops? Seems like Russia is only the enemy when it benefits the left. Kind of hilarious, really.

 

[M3J]

Trump Jr. tweeted a picture of his daughter and said something along the lines of how him taking candy from her bag to give it to a kid who sat at home is socialism. It's funny because he acts as if he worked hard for "his" money, or that his dad even worked hard when his dad is a failure who was lucky he was born into a wealthy family. Junior doe snot seem to know or understand socialism.

 

[xi0]

Just imagine how much of a proud and enthusiastic dullard you have to be to use your poor kid as a prop to try (and fail) to make a point about "socialism", when the entire premise of Halloween is knocking on doors and asking for handouts.

 

[Styx]

Twitter's definition of "Russian" linked accounts they used to ban/destroy accounts is hilarious!

We took a similarly expansive approach to defining what qualifies as Russian-linked account. Because there is no single characteristic that reliable determines geographic origin or affiliation, we relied on a number of criteria, including whether the account was created in Russia, whether the user registered the account with a Russian phone carrier or a Russian email address, whether the user's display name contains Cyrillic characters, whether the user frequently Tweets in Russian, and whether the user has logged in from any Russian IP address even a single time. We considered an account to be Russian-linked if it had even one of the relevant criteria.

Whoo, gotta stop anyone who speaks an East Slavic language or the Commies win! Otherwise, they'll control our elections with this kind of genius:

Such a threat.

EDIT

Donna Brazile is turning against Hillary Clinton. She says she has proof Hillary Clinton rigged the election against Bernie Sanders, who was told and still decided a lying piece of stale turd had to win.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
*still claims Russian hacks made the leaks even though it has been confirmed to be Seth Rich.

Funnily enough and not at all surprising, she wasn't feeling guilty about it at all.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.

Donna was a vital actor in the DNC corruption. Now she's turning on Hillary Clinton, someone she supported and worshiped, to save her own skin. I wonder how many other Democrats will jump this sinking ship before it explodes.

It all won't get much attention with Twitter admitting to removing hashtags like #DNCLeaks and #Wikileaks and any other hashtag that went against Hillary Clinton or her many cohorts.

Also, there are rumors that Tony Podesta and Huma Abedin will be indicted late this week.

Just imagine how much of a proud and enthusiastic dullard you have to be to use your poor kid as a prop to try (and fail) to make a point about "socialism", when the entire premise of Halloween is knocking on doors and asking for handouts.

You're doing Halloween wrong if you're asking for candy. You aren't supposed to knock. You break in through the window, steal the good stuff and then toilet paper the house. Kids these days.

 

[artotaku]

Just curious are most of you who posted Americans? I just read today that their are more rumors of impeachment.

 

[Styx]

Just curious are most of you who posted Americans? I just read today that their are more rumors of impeachment.

American here. Democrats have been crying impeachment for months, never happens because there is no reason beyond "Drumpf's a meanie".

 

[shionoro]

American here. Democrats have been crying impeachment for months, never happens because there is no reason beyond "Drumpf's a meanie".

Except the Russia collusion you mean?

 

[Styx]

Except the Russia collusion you mean?

Where's the evidence of this collusion? You don't get to say something exists and expect any rational being to just believe you. Even Democrats (that have their heads on straight) have admitted there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. There is nothing. Why? Because the principle evidence provided to our investigative agencies to ruin Trump for Clinton was fiction funded by the Clinton Foundation/DNC and created by FusionGPS (with massive Kremlin ties). That is fact and so this whole thing is a farce.

The only collusion with Russia we have any evidence of, in any capacity, is for Clinton and the DNC. However, since you seem so convinced it happened, why don't you give me the evidence that is so damning? Go on. I'll wait.

 

[shionoro]

Where's the evidence of this collusion? You don't get to say something exists and expect any rational being to just believe you. Even Democrats (that have their heads on straight) have admitted there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. There is nothing. Why? Because the principle evidence provided to our investigative agencies to ruin Trump for Clinton was fiction funded by the Clinton Foundation/DNC and created by FusionGPS (with massive Kremlin ties). That is fact and so this whole thing is a farce.

The only collusion with Russia we have any evidence of, in any capacity, is for Clinton and the DNC. However, since you seem so convinced it happened, why don't you give me the evidence that is so damning? Go on. I'll wait.

Would you see it as sufficient evidence if Trump fires Mueller soon?
Just asking whether i should bother to try to explain you.

 

[Styx]

Would you see it as sufficient evidence if Trump fires Mueller soon?
Just asking whether i should bother to try to explain you.

Are you joking? No, I wouldn't, because that isn't evidence of anything or even circumstantial evidence, and I find it exceptionally strange that you seem to think it proves the Russian collusion assertion. And oh boy, what a surprise. You won't tell me this supposed evidence because I don't accept firing a POS as viable evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. So yea, better not bother with that BS because I was asking for actual evidence. Don't feel bad about it though. You aren't the only one spreading this falsity based entirely on fanfiction.

So I say it again: Democrats have been crying impeachment for months, never happens because there is no reason beyond "Drumpf's a meanie".

 

[kkck]

Ok, a few things here. The russia probe was never about trump specifically. It was about trump's campaign. And while that obviously includes trump, it does not guarantee charges will be presented against the guy. Still, they have already found some pretty damaging stuff about regarding the 3 people they have impeached including emails from one of the guys meeting with a russian guy over the hillary emails. That alone is extremely damaging. Even if nothing against trump specifically is proven, at a minimum the guy was incompetent enough to get 3 people in his campaign who conveniently happen to have shady russia deals. Honestly, I cannot fathom this being an "accident" on trumps part. You have trump jr meeting with a russian lawyer over dirt on hillary, trump asking russians on tv to release hillary emails and so on... And even then, even in the absolute worst case scenario that trump himself gets indicted, that still would not immediately get him impeached, he would still have to get impeached by congress. This alone, in a reasonable world, would take YEARS. The only way that trump gets impeached and said impeachment means anything at all is that the 3 indictments so far turn out to be a light warmup and the really damaging stuff not only has yet to come but also dwarfs anything we know of manafort and the two others AND specifically includes trump along with extraordinary evidence to back it up so that congress is actually on a hurry regarding this. And even then, impeachment would be POINTLESS. Even if you impeach trump you still get president mike "cigarettes don't cause cancer" pence. Sure, trump is insane but even without trump the republican party is well past the point of sanity that it barely matters. Just look at the stuff trump has tried to pass over time. Would a "sane" republican have tried to pass anything differently? The only stuff he cares about is immigration on which his party is divided (not too long ago republicans were pro immigrants). On health care he supported anything house and senate republicans care to try, on taxes trump is not too different from most republicans except perhaps the ones that care about the deficit exploding after tax cuts (and it will EXPLODE, never in the history of humanity has there been a bunch of tax cuts which are followed by a reduction in deficit due to sudden explosive economic growth). And who knows what will happen on infrastructure assuming trump even gets to that. Trump's rhetoric on that is more aligned with that of democrats but trump needs republicans to vote for it. And they shouldn't be too keen to pass it if tax cuts fail (as you'd have doubly exploding deficits).

 

[Styx]

The entire witch hunt is fueled by the assertion that Trump was elected through collusion with Russia, via hacking and other ridiculous claims. It is an accusation not only against his campaign staff but Trump himself.

There is nothing shady about meeting with a Russian lawyer though, not even if it was to acquire information on another candidate (which it was not, as it was about the Magnitsky Act largely, which dozens of people can confirm) and something every single politician does. However, somehow it makes sense to the left that meeting with a Russian = collusion evidence. When it doesn't. And the Russian he met with, Natalia Veselnitskaya, was conveniently not a problem when Loretta Lynch granted her exceptionally rare immigration parole to help a Russian owned business with an asset forfeiture case in NY. Suddenly later, post rig-election failure when a Republican meets with her, its collusion and the deepest shade of criminal.

As for the two indicted, one of them was being investigated years prior to Trump even running. It isn't like Trump can read people's minds to know if they're laundering money for their own interests or is a scumbag criminal.

I have to ask again though how any of this is evidence of collusion between Trump's campaign and Russia? You keep saying there is "extraordinary evidence" etc etc but you don't give me anything actually about the collusion. No one who believes this fanfiction ever does. They just say "there's evidence" and point to completely unrelated crimes (such as laundering money) as well as Russians, as if talking to a Russian is in itself a criminal act and always ends in dirty, scandalous collusion efforts because, hey, they're Russian. So the only thing anyone can say is that two people in Trump's campaign are greedy sons of bitches that broke laws but the mere act of laundering money [etc] or talking to a Russian isn't evidence of some big bad plan to collude with a foreign power to rig an election.

There was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The fact that the entire accusation stemmed from a completely false dossier backed by Trump's political opposition should tell you that enough.