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I mean, if you believe FOX News and CNN then sure.
People are not being brainwashed about leaders who are responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of their own citizens
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Socialist policies are not the issue by-and-large, it's the application of those policies which scare the general public.
 

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Socialist policies are not the issue by-and-large, it's the application of those policies which scare the general public.
The issue is those who present it to the general public.
 

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Revolution doesn't seem like it'll help much, not until the right wing stop being so conservative and dumb.
White supremacy and patriarchy will try to prevent or undo any revolution going on as well. Capitalism is shit and needs to be changed or cancelled, but people fear that happening. even some poor people are brainwashed into thinking the wealthy are necessary or good for the country, or capitalism is the wave.
Wait, but revolution in the sense he is suggesting is something different from anything you'd find in a reasonable discussion. Revolution in the sense bernie proposes is simply taxing people more to pay for education and healthcare... Compared to what suddenly popped into the discussion which is indiscriminate murder in the name of marxism.
 

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The issue is those who present it to the general public.
Correct, but then how can you say something like that and then advocate for Lenin, Stalin, or Mao... ?
 

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Wait, but revolution in the sense he is suggesting is something different from anything you'd find in a reasonable discussion. Revolution in the sense bernie proposes is simply taxing people more to pay for education and healthcare... Compared to what suddenly popped into the discussion which is indiscriminate murder in the name of marxism.
There's a reason why Bernie would never win. People will believe anything Trump says. He calls Bernie a communist (which he isn't) and people all of a sudden believe.

Personally, I don't think it's indiscriminate if people treat their workers like objects like a hand sanitize machine but that's just me.
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Correct, but then how can you say something like that and then advocate for Lenin, Stalin, or Mao... ?
Well I'm going to a lot of hate for this and probably banned so I'd not go into specifics. PM me if you'd like to have a discussion.
 

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There's a reason why Bernie would never win. People will believe anything Trump says. He calls Bernie a communist (which he isn't) and people all of a sudden believe.
Bernie hurts himself by calling himself a socialist, which he also isn't. But that is neither here nor there, you are actively advocating in support of dictators who have murdered millions.
 

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Bernie hurts himself by calling himself a socialist, which he also isn't. But that is neither here nor there, you are actively advocating in support of dictators who have murdered millions.
That's why his "revolution" won't work.
 

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You do realize the right will never stop right?



It's mainly the power of the media. People who watch CNN and Fox all day will eventually fall victim to the brainwashing.
Exactly why we need more left in power, as long as they're for the people.
Wait, but revolution in the sense he is suggesting is something different from anything you'd find in a reasonable discussion. Revolution in the sense bernie proposes is simply taxing people more to pay for education and healthcare... Compared to what suddenly popped into the discussion which is indiscriminate murder in the name of marxism.
I thought he was suggesting revolution as in violent upheaval? I forgot what I was thinking at the time, but Bernie's revolution would be better, except we just get rid of shitty conservatives.
There's a reason why Bernie would never win. People will believe anything Trump says. He calls Bernie a communist (which he isn't) and people all of a sudden believe.
He wouldn't win because of moderate & liberal Democrats. Trump is trying to make Bernie look like a victim of the Democratic party, actually. I don't think it took Trump for people to believe Bernie's a communist though, the right often get socialism and communism mixed up?
 

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I thought he was suggesting revolution as in violent upheaval? I forgot what I was thinking at the time, but Bernie's revolution would be better, except we just get rid of shitty conservatives.
Ok, I thought you were referring to bernie's "revolution". his revolution shouldn't be framed as getting rid of anyone though, that's not really what is going on.
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How is the US still holding its primaries on tuesday? Are they insane?
 

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Ok, I thought you were referring to bernie's "revolution". his revolution shouldn't be framed as getting rid of anyone though, that's not really what is going on.
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How is the US still holding its primaries on tuesday? Are they insane?
Like I said, I don't even remember.

His revolution is going to be ineffective though, sadly.
 

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I dont think Bernie's a good candidate. I agree with his policies, but i dont see him explaining how we'll get there... Saying student debt will be freed by taxing wall street speculation is as detailed as saying we'll build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

I think he's helped push progressive idealogies which is really good, but its too soon for him yet.
 

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I dont think Bernie's a good candidate. I agree with his policies, but i dont see him explaining how we'll get there... Saying student debt will be freed by taxing wall street speculation is as detailed as saying we'll build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

I think he's helped push progressive idealogies which is really good, but its too soon for him yet.
He's explained it many times. It's not speculation, the US gave 4 trillion dollars in one week to wall street to keep the economy afloat, given those are tax dollars. You mean you can't do the same and cancel student debt?
 

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US govt baling out wall street always happens, specially with a republican govt.... its doable, but whether thats a seperate discussion

but Bernie claims he'll tax speculation on wall street, something like to pay 1.6 trillion dollars of debt... He doesn't mention how... or even what the tax rate is.. unless you know something i dont..
 

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but Bernie claims he'll tax speculation on wall street, something like to pay 1.6 trillion dollars of debt... He doesn't mention how... or even what the tax rate is.. unless you know something i dont..
At that point I'm going to assume (which I'm pretty sure you were referring to) as a higher income tax.
 

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US govt baling out wall street always happens, specially with a republican govt.... its doable, but whether thats a seperate discussion

but Bernie claims he'll tax speculation on wall street, something like to pay 1.6 trillion dollars of debt... He doesn't mention how... or even what the tax rate is.. unless you know something i dont..
He'll... tax speculation? I don't think that's conceptually possible. He could tax more people with higher incomes and eliminate tax loopholes but that's different from taxing speculation. I would maintain that for bernie's policy proposals he doesn't need just taxes for the wealthy, rather he needs to tax people across the board (with higher income people simply being in a higher tax bracket). Honestly, bernie saying otherwise is pretty brazen lie...
 

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Hasn't he said he only will tax the wealthy?
Yeah, exactly. Which I maintain is a lie on his side. IIRC there are even a few occasions where he tries to dodge the question altogether.... In reality no country that has implemented the policies he proposes only tax the wealthy. That's just not a thing.
 

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Yeah, exactly. Which I maintain is a lie on his side. IIRC there are even a few occasions where he tries to dodge the question altogether.... In reality no country that has implemented the policies he proposes only tax the wealthy. That's just not a thing.
True. I think it should be either a fixed tax rate or some model depending on the income.
 
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