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It's kinda crazy that musk believes he prevented nuclear war. I'm just waiting for russia's comments saying they would have totally fired nukes if not for elon.
 

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It's kinda crazy that musk believes he prevented nuclear war. I'm just waiting for russia's comments saying they would have totally fired nukes if not for elon.
Russia, China, North Korea.. These countries know how to handle unhinged folk with NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). You make them feel important and they will sing any song you want them to. Musk is essentially an emotionally stunted billionaire with toys that can change the course of a war. They will obviously appeal to that. It's similar to the stimulus checks and how Donald Trump insisted his name be signed on each check in the USA - he wants to feel like he personally gave those checks to America.
 

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Pretty much. I've always been skeptical because I tend to get annoyed by those who have some sort of cult following around them. Anyone who has a pack of wolves waiting to jump on you at the hint of any criticism is hiding a mountain of things worth criticizing, IMO.
It was a lot more understated. Of course there was always the Tesla-bros that followed him probably because they made money on the stock, but people wanting his time to talk about space ventures or other futuristic stuff was something I generally took no issue with. At least someone with the wealth and platform was talking about it, etc. But as the years went on he unmasked himself more and more. It really should have been expected but the starting point was sort of unique enough to where you could get duped into thinking he was different.
 

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So if we only look at pollster that had a poll right before the debate and afterward. Haley seemed to have the biggest bump of +3. Though, this was about what she got earlier in the year when she announce. So she didn't really break through her ceiling. Tim Scott and Hutchinson lost -1. Trump, with the exception of 2 polls, lost a -2. But that didn't go to Vivek, whose polling kinda mix with an average of -1. Desantis and Pence are both mix. But Desantis average out a +2, Pence +1, and Christie +1.



If you looking at all polls, Haley still is the biggest winner of +3. Then Desantis and Pence at +1. TIm Scott at -1. Trump at -1 or -2. Vivek at -1

Vivek was under attack by many sides post debate. And despite Trump went down a bit, he didn't get a bump from it. As long as Trump in the field, I don't see Vivek's number go up. But for him to go down is interesting. I supposed he had some moderate supporters before hand and didn't realize how extreme he was.

Despite Haley had a +3. I still don't think this is necessary good in the long run. Since her rivals of her lane of Christie and Pence are not necessary hurt. Though Tim Scott -1 is a plus for her.

Same with Desantis. Even at +1 or +2, he still down by a ton since pre mid term. He didn't have a break out performance that catapult him back to those numbers. Much less overtaking Trump.

At these numbers, Trump is a big winner. Skipping the debate, and he still over 50%, non of his main rivals are dropping out. Keeping the field completely shatter. He is in a way stronger position than he was in 2015/2016. Desantis is the biggest threat. And the news that coming out of Desantis's camp as of late isn't all that great.
 

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If you ever get a chance go to the ElonMusk or Tesla subreddits, and go back in time to before the Thailand incident. It's bizarre. Elon actually had a serious, large bipartisan fan-base who damn near worshipped him.
I mean, this already explains itself. Bipartisan because your parties are ultra pro-capitalist anyways, and pro-capitalistic people have, for a very long time, absolutely worshipped these tech moguls like living saints. They are like the ultimate role models, contributing something revolutionary and apparently beneficial to society, and through capitalism!

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had quite the cult following, too. When Musk and Zuckerberg arrived on the scene, many younger people simply thought these guys would be their "saints", just like their parents had their own holy tech people.

Especially with Musk, who makes electric cars, and people love stuff they can pretend is "green" and combat against climate change, it's easy to see how so many people could fall for him.

Now while these guys, Gates and Jobs, etc. were presenting themselves as (pseudo-) progressives, Musk and Zuckerberg don't hide their ultra-right wing tendencies and fortunately, this is a big no-go for many people. Many pro-capitalists want to be perceived as centrists and not right-wing even though they technically are and often times also in non-economic dimensions.

But despite their efforts, the general tendencies to sanctify tech moguls is still omnipresent in society, just look at the fanbase of the Nintendo guys and you know you are dealing with a cult.
 

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Musk confirmed the story that he turned off Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian military operation in fall 2022. Why is this guy a US contractor again?
 

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It's definitely a big move and easily above his paygrade but I don't think he was under any obligation to provide internet to the Ukrainian army. The issue at hand as far as the government and normal people are concerned is that a private individual has that much personal power to begin with.
 

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Musk confirmed the story that he turned off Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian military operation in fall 2022. Why is this guy a US contractor again?
Cuz he rich and people think he's smart.
 

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I kinda stayed away with the whole Musk-Urkaine thing. For one, I do agree that he has too much power. But I do think if he doesn't ride the line too well, he may got assassinated. Also there is less and less incentive to help urkaine since his base is way more anti Urkaine now compare to last year. (by the liberals leaving him, and more conservatives becoming his fans). Also helping one side or another regardless of which side is right, that does result in deaths. Sometimes death to the innocent, sometimes to the guilty. Sometimes to the unwilling that got drafted.

I do think it is the right thing to do, but from Musk's perspective. There are other calculations.


I don't understand why one so skeptical at one thing like big pharma and vaccines and then buy toad oil from Usopp. People said ohh the big corporation, government are all financially motivated. Where as the world is mostly run on money, influence, fame, of some sort. Random Joe making million of random chemicals that aren't tested or regulated or have any basis in science. Isn't that not financially motivated?
 

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I don't understand why one so skeptical at one thing like big pharma and vaccines and then buy toad oil from Usopp. People said ohh the big corporation, government are all financially motivated. Where as the world is mostly run on money, influence, fame, of some sort. Random Joe making million of random chemicals that aren't tested or regulated or have any basis in science. Isn't that not financially motivated?
This I absolutely feel. For all the flaws of the pharmaceutical industry the alternative medicine and supplement industry (and lets throw in the cosmetic industry for the lolz) somehow manages to be a more disgusting cesspool.... These guys don't even have any legal obligation whatsoever to be science and yet get to pretend to be so. Just medicine having the adjective "alternative" should raise a comical amount of red flags. Any flaw you can find in the pharmaceutical industry you can find times ten in the alternative-medicine/supplement/cosmetic industries...
 

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I kinda stayed away with the whole Musk-Urkaine thing. For one, I do agree that he has too much power. But I do think if he doesn't ride the line too well, he may got assassinated. Also there is less and less incentive to help urkaine since his base is way more anti Urkaine now compare to last year. (by the liberals leaving him, and more conservatives becoming his fans). Also helping one side or another regardless of which side is right, that does result in deaths. Sometimes death to the innocent, sometimes to the guilty. Sometimes to the unwilling that got drafted.

I do think it is the right thing to do, but from Musk's perspective. There are other calculations.
What is the right thing to do? It was Musk who offered up Starlink in the first place. If he didn't want to support Ukraine he shouldn't have bothered with the lazy PR attempt in the first place. Now that his sycophants are primarily Putin ball-washers he wants to play peacekeeper? It's nonsense honestly.

And as far as him playing with fire, I definitely agree. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I wouldn't bat an eye if it ended up that way personally. It'd probably be kinder than what him and his ilk deserve. But of course he'll just end up a martyr for some reason.
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Where's the conservative pearl-clutching? I guess they ignore Trump and DeSantis' meme war
 

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I kinda stayed away with the whole Musk-Urkaine thing. For one, I do agree that he has too much power. But I do think if he doesn't ride the line too well, he may got assassinated. Also there is less and less incentive to help urkaine since his base is way more anti Urkaine now compare to last year. (by the liberals leaving him, and more conservatives becoming his fans). Also helping one side or another regardless of which side is right, that does result in deaths. Sometimes death to the innocent, sometimes to the guilty. Sometimes to the unwilling that got drafted.

I do think it is the right thing to do, but from Musk's perspective. There are other calculations.


I don't understand why one so skeptical at one thing like big pharma and vaccines and then buy toad oil from Usopp. People said ohh the big corporation, government are all financially motivated. Where as the world is mostly run on money, influence, fame, of some sort. Random Joe making million of random chemicals that aren't tested or regulated or have any basis in science. Isn't that not financially motivated?
This I absolutely feel. For all the flaws of the pharmaceutical industry the alternative medicine and supplement industry (and lets throw in the cosmetic industry for the lolz) somehow manages to be a more disgusting cesspool.... These guys don't even have any legal obligation whatsoever to be science and yet get to pretend to be so. Just medicine having the adjective "alternative" should raise a comical amount of red flags. Any flaw you can find in the pharmaceutical industry you can find times ten in the alternative-medicine/supplement/cosmetic industries...
For all of its flaws pharmaceuticals in the USA are regulated and tested to extremely high standards, with only a few real cracks in the system (Purdue Pharma definitely fucked our country hard). The prices they charge for meds are definitely ridiculous, and they take advantage of Americans by and large and need to be reigned in on how they price life-saving drugs. The alternative medicine and pseudoscience route is a great way to actually get yourself killed, though, while still being screwed financially. Really wish they'd reign in all the alternative bullshit because I swear people here actually think a chiropractor helps anything but their own wallet. I fell for the Chiro BS ONCE when I was in my early 20's, and when the guy told me I'd need adjustments for life I got online and did my own research, and found that to be one of the top bull-shit pseudo science scams and never went back.

Pseudo-science and alternative medicines kill. Hell, just read the depressing story of Eben Byers who was given Radithor for pain, which literally disintegrated his body.
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What is the right thing to do? It was Musk who offered up Starlink in the first place. If he didn't want to support Ukraine he shouldn't have bothered with the lazy PR attempt in the first place. Now that his sycophants are primarily Putin ball-washers he wants to play peacekeeper? It's nonsense honestly.

And as far as him playing with fire, I definitely agree. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I wouldn't bat an eye if it ended up that way personally. It'd probably be kinder than what him and his ilk deserve. But of course he'll just end up a martyr for some reason.
We stop letting narcissists shoot their garbage up into space.
 

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I guess the paid actors aren't getting paid enough
 

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No Hasan? Wonder what that's about...
Destiny and Vaush being together is certainly interesting, considering how much they hate eachother. But I guess they're both more willing to engage with people they dislike than Hasan is.

"Join some of the most influential voices in the pro-democracy center-left political commentary axis"

Since when does Vaush consider himself center-left? Or when has Emma? Kind of confusing.
 

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Destiny and Vaush being together is certainly interesting, considering how much they hate eachother. But I guess they're both more willing to engage with people they dislike than Hasan is.

"Join some of the most influential voices in the pro-democracy center-left political commentary axis"

Since when does Vaush consider himself center-left? Or when has Emma? Kind of confusing.
They don't. I dunno what the hell that's about lmao. I'm gonna assume it's a mistake instead of an attempt to trick people into caring about what they say. And when you consider that the majority of speakers there were center-left it's easy to think no one double-checked and reached out to see about fixing.
 

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They don't. I dunno what the hell that's about lmao. I'm gonna assume it's a mistake instead of an attempt to trick people into caring about what they say. And when you consider that the majority of speakers there were center-left it's easy to think no one double-checked and reached out to see about fixing.
How many there are besides Destiny? (feels weird to call him that but his weird obsession with certain right-wing positions makes it unavoidable)

The Booker stooge? Maybe Brianna Wu? I don't really know her politics aside from being a gamergate target. Seems like she formed a PAC with Cenk, but in this day and age, hard not to question whether that means a ton as far as truly progressive stances go.
 

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Actually, you're right. Aside from Brianna Wu and Destiny everyone else seems to be further left. I was counting up all the DGG orbiters that came along to root for Destiny, and they're all SocDems as well (people you probably don't know because I dunno how often you watch his streams).


The rest of the vidcon participants weren't even there for politics. I'd say the majority weren't. And the name of the org that Steven, Vaush, and Keffals are working with to increase voter turnout is called Progressive Victory, for crying out loud.

Yeah, someone just goofed. Or it's an intentional attempt at distancing themselves from the crazy twitter lefties. Could just be a flat-out lie.

EDIT: On the topic of Steven being center-left, he doesn't consider himself to be. He considers himself a Social Democrat, which is further left than center-left.
 

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EDIT: On the topic of Steven being center-left, he doesn't consider himself to be. He considers himself a Social Democrat, which is further left than center-left.
Yeah idk how he squares that circle given some of his Nebraska-ish views lol
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For some reason I can hear slurping sounds when I open this even though it's an image, weird.
 

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Dumb question, why is it illegal for trump to have inflated his properties value?
 
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