American Politics

[ninjabot]

Oof.

 

[hblock]

Something always triggered me, why everyone speaks of the Nazi as worse than the US, England, etc, when all of them colonized many countries, provoked unnecessary wars and killed millions of people for almost no reason other than greed and power.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 13, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 13, 2023 ---

Why am I not surprised

 

[xi0]

I mean they call him what lefties believe Zionists are. Not someone who simply believes Jews deserve their own state. Zionist is used with the same vitriol and hatred as "commie" is when describing Socialists. Which is hilarious considering it's self proclaimed Socialists using the word Zionist this way.

I get that hostility isn't great for having a constructive discussion, but I don't see how calling him a Zionist is off the mark.

I don't see the link there really, but I don't really give a shit about negative connotations regarding commies either. Zionism as a state doctrine isn't really a positive thing for anyone but Jewish people in the first place. Besides maybe eschatologically-obsessed Christian fundamentalists.... and antisemites I guess.

Right, right. Why would videos of people stating their positions on the Israel/Palestine conflict and the October 7th attack tell you anything about their.... positions? On Israel. Or Palestine.

Sigh.

It's fucking whatever. The only point for all of that was to prove that Badbunny isn't an outlier or even the most crazy, and to show how far the cancer has spread.

I was admitting ignorance wholesale when it comes to people I don't know, and some specifics when it comes to people I don't. I only meant that people familiar with her shouldn't be taking her seriously in the first place. Or at least, I don't. Wasn't trying to deliberate who is and isn't a crackpot.

Something always triggered me, why everyone speaks of the Nazi as worse than the US, England, etc, when all of them colonized many countries, provoked unnecessary wars and killed millions of people for almost no reason other than greed and power.

Think it's the difference between stated purpose and emergent behavior, rather than being outright hateful with the desire and means to deliver on it.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 14, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 14, 2023 ---

Was late to reply so I think I lost the plot a bit so no worries about replying to me if I seem nonsensical lol

 

[ninjabot]

Something always triggered me, why everyone speaks of the Nazi as worse than the US, England, etc, when all of them colonized many countries, provoked unnecessary wars and killed millions of people for almost no reason other than greed and power.

I think it's really just people in their current situation not seeing any point in ruffling feathers over something their ancestors did, and can't change. It's like how no one in America wants to provide slavery reparations for black people because the deed is done, and they didn't have a direct hand in the crime. Their forefathers did.

Plus, years of conditioning has raised people to see Nazi's as the epitome of evil. And Nazi's make it easy by not disguising their racism as something more than that.

I get that hostility isn't great for having a constructive discussion, but I don't see how calling him a Zionist is off the mark.

I don't see the link there really, but I don't really give a shit about negative connotations regarding commies either. Zionism as a state doctrine isn't really a positive thing for anyone but Jewish people in the first place. Besides maybe eschatologically-obsessed Christian fundamentalists.... and antisemites I guess.

I guess it's not if you're using it the right way. And I'm only referring to the ones that are using it in bad faith, so I guess it doesn't matter.

I was admitting ignorance wholesale when it comes to people I don't know, and some specifics when it comes to people I don't. I only meant that people familiar with her shouldn't be taking her seriously in the first place. Or at least, I don't. Wasn't trying to deliberate who is and isn't a crackpot.

Well I was just making sure you weren't on some "Nah, there's no need for concern because it's only a fringe few to worry about." Even if it were a fringe few, the fact that one of these people is the largest political streamer on Twitch is cause for concern. His influence is a problem.

 

[M3J]

Something always triggered me, why everyone speaks of the Nazi as worse than the US, England, etc, when all of them colonized many countries, provoked unnecessary wars and killed millions of people for almost no reason other than greed and power.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 13, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 13, 2023 ---

Why am I not surprised

From what I know, it's because the Nazis' victims were also white, while Americans and most of Europe's victims were indigenous people or nonwhite people. White people often don't care for their crimes against people who aren't white, but when attacked, they'll remember it for decades, if not centuries.

 

[hblock]

Israel admits to "immense" amount of "friendly fire" on 7 October

Army's rejection of an investigation appears to be a cover up.

electronicintifada.net

 

[M3J]

Aren't there also videos of their rockets landing on Israelis' houses?

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 17, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 14, 2023 ---

Been over 70 days and still no proof of Hamas being so bad or evil, while we have plenty of videos and pictures of Israelis and Zionists being genocidal maniacs and saying horrendous stuff even when in the USA. It's horrible seeing so many lives lost, maimed, or destroyed while Zionists are gleefully being trash human beings.

 

[xi0]

This might eventually lose in court, especially if it's appealed to the federal level but curious how many other blue states have the balls

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2023 ---

Well I was just making sure you weren't on some "Nah, there's no need for concern because it's only a fringe few to worry about." Even if it were a fringe few, the fact that one of these people is the largest political streamer on Twitch is cause for concern. His influence is a problem.

If you're referring to Hasan I'm not actually aware of what he's said in regards to this that would make his influence a problem.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2023 ---

And I'm being serious when I say that since I'm not really embedded in reddit or twitter discourse regarding him or other streamers. I was aware of him and Ethan coming to blows over it but besides that I'm not really sure what he's said that is problematic.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2023 ---

They won't, because most of them are bought and paid for as well lol

 

[kkck]

It's kinda amazing that anyone in the US can even receive that much money out of the blue without the IRS pouncing like a wild animal. Third world country nonsense.

 

[xi0]

It's kinda amazing that anyone in the US can even receive that much money out of the blue without the IRS pouncing like a wild animal. Third world country nonsense.

Because the vast majority would be open to receiving gifts like it and don't want to fuck it up for themselves

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2023 ---

Oh well... I guess the IRS component can sort of be a nebulous one though

 

[M3J]

Yeah, Biden's not going to win at all, dude is showing to be worse than Trump even if he isn't domestically. If the Dems actually do care about winning, then they'll go with another candidate that's not Harris or Clinton. If the Dems lose no matter who their candidate is though, they have no one to blame but Biden. Instead of trying to stop the genocide, Biden's been encouraging it and defending it for the most part.

The only thing, maybe, that can salvage his chances is him stopping Israel and getting rid of it. But even then, that'll alienate the Zionist and ignorant Dems away from him.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2023 ---

It seems Israel is copying Nazi's playbook with their concentration camp, only difference is that they're not working the Palestinians

 

[ninjabot]

If you're referring to Hasan I'm not actually aware of what he's said in regards to this that would make his influence a problem.

...

How do you feel about settler babies?

 

[kkck]

Because the vast majority would be open to receiving gifts like it and don't want to fuck it up for themselves

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2023 ---

Oh well... I guess the IRS component can sort of be a nebulous one though

And also the bigger underlying issue. I suppose it's not just the IRS but other entities which should look at folk whose wealth grows comically fast, specially politicians or public servants...

Supposedly politicians and folk in the government make good salaries to keep them clean and away from corruption... But you have clawrence complaining about being poor at nearly 180k per year. FFS. The guy has nothing even resembling a calling towards public service.

 

[ninjabot]

"On the Palestinian side, there needs to be a hardcore deradicalization effort. You have to acknowledge that the Palestinian people want violence. Not Hamas. Not the PLO, and not just the terrorists, but Palestinians en masse think that fighting will serve their end. That thought needs to be wiped out. That cannot be the case for them thinking that because as long as they have that idea, same thing with Israel having that idea, peace will never happen."

Also:

Gaza Hospital Boss Admits He’s a Hamas Commander, Used Medical Facility as Terror Base | National Review

The hospital chief said he knew of 16 other employees who were members of Hamas.

www.nationalreview.com

'We know they were raped in Hamas captivity': Chilling details of what hostages faced

Doctors who have been treating released hostages confirmed some suffered violent sexual assaults while they were held captive in Gaza.

www.usatoday.com

Hamas dresses in civilian clothing & IDF military:

• NPR: "Hamas militants wear civilian clothes to deceive the military, the official said"
• The same NPR article invalidates VG's hypothesis about shooting indiscriminately once civilians have been warned: "The preliminary report concluded that the soldiers involved in the accidental shooting did not follow the IDF's own rules of engagement"
• CNN: "Hamas has also reportedly worn Israeli soldier’s uniforms to confuse Israeli forces—a tactic they’ve used during previous warfare."

Hamas plays the sound of Hebrew children speaking & crying with other lures:

• CNN: "Hamas has attempted to use dolls and backpacks with speakers playing sounds of crying or children speaking in Hebrew to lure Israeli soldiers"
• ynetnews: "As part of searches conducted by reserve soldiers in the Strip, the troops exposed the attempted ambush that included the use of a decoy by Hamas terrorists in order to draw the forces into a tunnel shaft located close by"
  Note: This one shows the images of the lures.

There were a lot more sources from less reputable news organizations or news organizations I cannot verify/am not familiar with, but most are referencing the same original sources provided above.

Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-hamas-israel/ And apparently, there's no evidence the Al Shifa hospital was affiliated with Hamas, so at least there's that.

 

[hblock]

Source : CNN
What a reliable reference.
US-Israel, aka, the first ever occupier in history to claim the victim card.

 

[M3J]

Majority of the stuff that's trying to villainize Palestinians or Hamas are often bullshit to keep justifying the genocide. Again, Israel has never once brought any good proof of violence, and the proof they showed actually revealed they know nothing about biology. Palestinians however have been sharing videos and pictures, so much evidence, to the point that anyone who still supports Israel is just messed up.

At this point, Israel is Nazi Germany version 2. Only difference is that because they're useful to the West, they're allowed to get away with genocide and openly keeping Palestinians in concentration camps.

 

[xi0]

...

How do you feel about settler babies?

My recollection is he called children living in settlements in the West Bank "settler babies". Anything else I'm admittedly ignorant to. I've seen implications made that this is somehow a justification for the October 7th attack but he denied feeling that way from what I remember.

And also the bigger underlying issue. I suppose it's not just the IRS but other entities which should look at folk whose wealth grows comically fast, specially politicians or public servants...

Supposedly politicians and folk in the government make good salaries to keep them clean and away from corruption... But you have clawrence complaining about being poor at nearly 180k per year. FFS. The guy has nothing even resembling a calling towards public service.

Well the funny thing is that oversight is either left up to the suits themselves or hilariously neutered. Especially when it comes to a supreme court justice, who pretty much can't be held accountable without an act of congress. It's a joke.

 

[M3J]

 

[ninjabot]

I posted that in my last reply as a test, and you failed that test.

I wanted to see if any of you were actually reading the evidence I was dropping or just asserting everything I said was a lie without checking, so I posted something you would agree with, and you still tripped over yourself to play damage control for fucking Hamas.

I'm disgusted, and I'm done giving y'all the benefit of the doubt.

My recollection is he called children living in settlements in the West Bank "settler babies". Anything else I'm admittedly ignorant to. I've seen implications made that this is somehow a justification for the October 7th attack but he denied feeling that way from what I remember.

Eventually. Kind of. And it was like pulling fucking teeth.

I almost reposted the entire conversation but if it didn't convince you last time it won't the second time.

 

[xi0]

Eventually. Kind of. And it was like pulling fucking teeth.

I almost reposted the entire conversation but if it didn't convince you last time it won't the second time.

To be frank, I might not have watched it. This thread and topic has kind of been a shitshow for some past months. From arguing with people over things neither said nor implied, to arguing semantics for no appreciable reason. I needed to check out of it at some points.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 23, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 23, 2023 ---

I posted that in my last reply as a test, and you failed that test.

I wanted to see if any of you were actually reading the evidence I was dropping or just asserting everything I said was a lie without checking, so I posted something you would agree with, and you still tripped over yourself to play damage control for fucking Hamas.

I'm disgusted, and I'm done giving y'all the benefit of the doubt.

Linking a tweet without any context is damage control for Hamas? I mean, I know what M3J has written in the past but I'm not sure I'm following