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Fuck Trump and anyone who whines about immigrants stealing jobs.
Exactly that is the reason why companies can cry about too few available workers in certain fields while a lot of people in those fields are unemployed.
They want the cheaper workers, even well studied people.

A proper minimum wage can help to fight that difference.
 

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These companies are annoying as fuck. They claim to be patriotic/American but will hire cheaper labor and move production and shit out of the country for cheaper cost. It's worse because people for some reason will blame the immigrants/illegal immigrants even though it's not their fault... unless they're forcing the companies to hire them like blackmail or something.
 

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What issue is that? Does the issue directly affect the lives of Americans daily, and the government/proper authorities aren't doing a spick-spack job of dealing with it? Because terrorism doesn't really do that, we're safe for the most part.
I'm sure people in San Bernardino and Orlando lived their daily lives thinking the exact same thing, but that didn't prevent them from being victims. It's somewhat hypocritical that you would bring up whether and issue effects people's daily lives or not and how that relates to time spent talking about it when you chide others about doing the same thing in regard to other issues as well.

I'm not saying there's a fair solution to this issue, but I think acting like it's not one of the largest issues the West faces, and that anyone who talks about it "too much" is automatically bigoted in some way is just as ignorant as the shit Trump says in regards to it. And this kind of speech is heard all of the time among "progressives".

Is that true though? Did the lady not report the couple because of PC, or is that a lie to make people be against political correctness? How do we know she was aware of what the couple were up to? Dunno, just felt like bullshit to me. Weird that political correctness would stop someone from reporting suspicious activities, especially if she can call it in anonymously.
Mmm, from what I recall that's what she said. Not sure if people would lie about that or not. It wouldn't be anonymous though, the woman was supposedly a neighbor from what I remember.
 

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I'm sure people in San Bernardino and Orlando lived their daily lives thinking the exact same thing, but that didn't prevent them from being victims. It's somewhat hypocritical that you would bring up whether and issue effects people's daily lives or not and how that relates to time spent talking about it when you chide others about doing the same thing in regard to other issues as well.

I'm not saying there's a fair solution to this issue, but I think acting like it's not one of the largest issues the West faces, and that anyone who talks about it "too much" is automatically bigoted in some way is just as ignorant as the shit Trump says in regards to it. And this kind of speech is heard all of the time among "progressives".


Mmm, from what I recall that's what she said. Not sure if people would lie about that or not. It wouldn't be anonymous though, the woman was supposedly a neighbor from what I remember.
Mass shooting, due to guns. If there was better gun control laws, these tragedies could have been avoided one way or another. Wouldn't you consider the Aurora theater shooting, Charleston church shooting, and Newtown School shooting acts of terrorism as well? One thing in similar (as far as I know/remember): they used guns that were bigger than handguns. Wouldn't you say your two examples could have been thwarted if gun control laws were stricter instead of focusing on terrorism?

I just don't think we should focus too much on terrorism, as I've said. Keep an eye out, report suspicious stuff, but there are other things that should get more attention, which can include stopping terrorism. Gun control laws for one, being as anal about immigration as we are about refugees, etc.

I see it as one of the largest issues that Europe faces, not necessarily the USA. How often do we see terrorist attacks on our soil? we're in more danger from mass shootings from any race than we are terrorism from radical Islamists.


I can see people lying about that, actually. Many reasons why that I can think of. And wouldn't she be able to keep her anonymity when talking to the police? Was she the only neighbor?
 

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Mass shooting, due to guns. If there was better gun control laws, these tragedies could have been avoided one way or another. Wouldn't you consider the Aurora theater shooting, Charleston church shooting, and Newtown School shooting acts of terrorism as well? One thing in similar (as far as I know/remember): they used guns that were bigger than handguns. Wouldn't you say your two examples could have been thwarted if gun control laws were stricter instead of focusing on terrorism?
Where exactly is the correlation between what I said and the topic of gun control laws? Gun control laws aren't going to prevent terrorism or mass shootings, they would only exist in order deter the mentally ill amd/or to minimize deaths (depending on what the gun control laws would be, of course). If a terrorist can't get their hands on a fully automatic rifle, there will be others willing to make homemade explosives, etc.
 

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Gun control laws will make it harder for terrorism or mass shootings to prevail though. A person with history of domestic violence won't be able to buy guns, so he/she won't be able to shoot their spouse, kids, or anyone unless they buy illegally, which can be pretty hard.

I know, but they're more likely to get caught, no? If they act suspicious or carry suspicious, it'll be easier to stop them in their tracks. We've been pretty successful in preventing explosive terrorism for the most part, so far.
 

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Gun control laws will make it harder for terrorism or mass shootings to prevail though. A person with history of domestic violence won't be able to buy guns, so he/she won't be able to shoot their spouse, kids, or anyone unless they buy illegally, which can be pretty hard.

I know, but they're more likely to get caught, no? If they act suspicious or carry suspicious, it'll be easier to stop them in their tracks. We've been pretty successful in preventing explosive terrorism for the most part, so far.
It could lessen the fatalities in mass shootings, assuming that the person committing these acts wouldn't have a means to obtain an assault rifle illegally.

Shooting are only one facet of terrorism, so I'm not sure why you went down this road in the first place...
 

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It could lessen the fatalities in mass shootings, assuming that the person committing these acts wouldn't have a means to obtain an assault rifle illegally.

Shooting are only one facet of terrorism, so I'm not sure why you went down this road in the first place...
Well i mean, there is no terrorist problem in the US when it comes to islamic terror, nor is there a big number of bomb strikes or something like that.
But there is an exceedingly big number of mass shootings which could be described as terror when they are against certain greeps (recently orlando against queers, then some against blacks, one against an abortion clinic, and so on ).

Also, its not like people can switch very easily.
Doing something illegal is always harder than doing something legal.
If you have the means to get assault rifles, then you still have a chance to get caught in the process. the same goes for bomb creation.

Anders Breivik for example had to set up a farm so he could reaosnably say why he needed some chemicals and elements which he used for building bombs. Now, i dont know how strict the laws are in the US about that, but i would assume it is a lot harder to get the stuff to build a bomb and coordinate a bomb attack (exspecially if you dont work alone) without getting noticed than just doing what a US citizen is allowed to do and get the rifles legally.
 

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Well i mean, there is no terrorist problem in the US when it comes to islamic terror, nor is there a big number of bomb strikes or something like that.
But there is an exceedingly big number of mass shootings which could be described as terror when they are against certain greeps (recently orlando against queers, then some against blacks, one against an abortion clinic, and so on ).
Wat? How can someone say there's not an islamic terrorist problem here? :huh It's not we're living in Israel or something, but in the 3 years since the Boston marathon bombing, we've had the shootings in Garland, Texas, San Bernardino, and now in Orlando, all carried out by radical islamic terrorists. (and nearly all within the last year).

Again, I wasn't specifically talking about acts of terrorism here. It's clear that gun laws are a big issue when it comes to school shootings, the church shooting in Charleston, or the one in Colorado last year. Better gun laws would have an impact, but they wouldn't prevent islamic terrorism from occurring, at least...or someone like Timothy McVeigh, as an example.

Also, its not like people can switch very easily.
Doing something illegal is always harder than doing something legal.
If you have the means to get assault rifles, then you still have a chance to get caught in the process. the same goes for bomb creation.
I'm not talking about the exact same people, I'm talking about those dead-set on committing acts of terrorism. If they're motivated to take civilian lives in the name of their cause, having an assault rifle or not isn't the sole determining factor in them carrying it out. No AR-15s available to them? Fine, they'll be like the Tsarnaev brothers and make pressure cooker IEDs and use grenades or something.
 

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@xi0 I am saying islamic terrorism is not a problem over there because it has to be compared with domestic shootings.

We largely ignore the reasons why someone does a mass shooting or any random murders.
For example, dylan roof was not charged with terrorism, even tho he clearly functioned like the guys you talked about.
He read propaganda material in the internet and carried out an attack.

It isnt even always clear in how far those people are linked to ISIS or the jihadi scene (in fact, the guy in orlando was the example par excellence of your typical american mass shooter.

From wikipedia:

Following the nightclub attack, Mateen's ex-wife told media outlets that during their marriage, Mateen was mentally unstable, and would beat her and keep her completely separated from her family.She also said that he was bipolar and had a history of using steroids.A former high school student told the Washington Post that he witnessed 15-year-old Mateen on the day of the September 11 attacks being physically assaulted by his father, Mir Seddique Mateen, in front of other students.

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A former coworker who worked with Mateen in a gated community in western Port St. Lucie described him as "unhinged and unstable". He also said that he frequently made homophobic, racist, and sexist comments, and talked about killing people.The coworker stated he complained to G4S about Mateen "several times";another co-worker told The New York Times Mateen made people wait at the gate for a number of reasons, including "if it was time for him to do his prayers." A resident who had lived at the community since 2011 described Mateen as "very polite" and "a very nice, positive person", however, another customer said Mateen "acted like a straight-up predator
This all points to a bipolar personality disorder like his wife claimed. He is the example of your typical american massshooter par excellence: history of domestic violence, two faced, drug abuse andannouncing his violent thoughts beforehand.
He went to the mosque and prayed, alright, because he was a muslim, but this is clearly not your indoctrinated guy who thinks he dies for the jihad.
This guy, much like elliot rodgers or dylan roof or whoever you take, wanted to commit violence and THEN he searched excuses for it.

That can hardly be called islamic terrorism, the same could have happened by any other homosexual hater in the US.
There are countless of killiings against lgbt people in the US. There are countless of acts of violence and even many mass shootings fueled by nothing but sexism and hate against women, and there were mass shootings fueled by nothing but hate against blacks.

Noone however said there was a white terrorism problem, or that there is a male terrorism problem.

Even now the US struggles to call this act terrorism against homosexuals (and it was that and nothing else) and rather coins it as an islamic attack.
But it is not more an islamic attack than the guy who attacked the abortion clinic was a christian terrorist.

9/11 was a clear islamic terror strike. Those were people indeed fueled by jihad, well organized people.
The guy in orlando was your typical insane solo shooter.

While it is true that someone who is a) deadset and b) competent is hard to be stopped and wont be stopped just by strikter gun laws, even then it makes his life harder. And most people are not competent at that.
The case you cited, the boston bombings, were in fact a terrorist attack. As far as it is known, at least the older brother was led by islamic radicalism.
However, at the boston marathon, they were able to kill 6 people on a whole.
This is a tragedy, but if they would have had assault rifles, then it would have been more then 6 most definitely.
So i do think that stricter weapon laws would not only diminish the victims of mass shootings, but would also actually make the life of islamic terrorists much harder.

Because as i said, even if someone does not agree with me on what is actual islamic jihadist terror and what not, it can hardly be argued that the persons, whether muslim or nonmuslim, who commit such acts function almost identically and thus can be hindered almost identically.[/quote]
 
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What up with trump asking foreign politicians for donations to his campaign? He is even asking leftwing politicians.... Does he not realize that other country's rightwing parties could easily be well more to the left than the democrat party? Not that he has only asked rightwing foreign parties....I cannot even begin with fathom what is going on in that campaign....
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It seems like hillary just had a couple good weeks. The benghazi commission failed to bring up absolutely anything new regarding the whole thing (although I am not sure if I should be looking for a 10th report at this point) and the FBI said they will not recommend an indictment (and lynch said she would follow the FBI recommendation).
 

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Dat FBI Interview.. The highlights:

  1. It is a felony to mishandle classified information in a grossly negligent way
  2. It is a felony to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems
  3. 110 emails were classified at the time they were sent, 8 at the Top Secret level Outside of the scope of mishandling classified info, this is a violation of FOIA laws, as it's the destruction of government records - "The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014."
  4. TS/SAP programs are the most highly classified programs in the Military/Intelligence Community, frequently involving information that could literally get intelligence sources killed or result in permanently losing a source of critical intelligence - "For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters."
  5. It's highly likely that this classified information, and other sensitive information, was compromised by foreign intelligence services - "She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, includingsending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account"
  6. HRC and every other person involved should have known what they were doing was wrong - "There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation"
  7. Despite all of this, no charges will be filed, as "although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case"
  8. Just because Clinton got away with it, other less powerful people should be warned they'll be prosecuted - "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences."
Source: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

So he bashed Clinton as incompetent, negligent and careless, then proceeded saying she won't be charged and then ended it by saying that the less powerful people who do the same thing will face consequences. Priceless. Are we above the law yet?
 

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I'm afraid of contributing to this thread because I'll just point out things that people don't want to hear....
Like the fact that the US shootings are 9 times out of 10 isolated incidents involving deranged hicks or... Well I couldn't understand the mind of a killer but its all because of the stubborn ass US Constitution.. The right to bear arms against each other wasn't one of the clauses... So maybe it's like the bible. Re-written XD
 

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OK, I have been reading online a bit about what the FBI guy said but... what is an administrative sanction? Does that imply jail time?
 

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Only people mad at the emails and Hilary Rodham Obama are the remaining people believing Sanders has a chance to be president. Otherwise, if people TRULY did feel that strongly about her, then she wouldn't have won.

Losing the nomination over an email server would have been a serious blow to our American values and painted democrats as being sexist.
 

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Well, people feel particularly strongly about the server are probably not people who would vote on the primaries anyways right? Or voted bernie sanders...

And she wouldn't have lost the nomination "over a server". Had the FBI recommended an indictment and had that gone through hillary would have been under criminal investigation over maliciously putting classified information at risk. Saying this would have been "over a server" is a gross underestimation about the underlying issues at stake here.... I don't see how the indictment would have painted democrats as sexists.... I mean, how? How does this relate to hillary's gender?
 

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So he bashed Clinton as incompetent, negligent and careless, then proceeded saying she won't be charged and then ended it by saying that the less powerful people who do the same thing will face consequences. Priceless. Are we above the law yet?
The saddest part about this entire fiasco is that if Clinton was still a member of Obama's administration, she'd at the very least be forced to resign....but because she's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Obama has endorsed her and will campaign for her...Haha, lovely political system we have here

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This entire situation proves at the very least that she had no intention of following the FOIA, and everything she's said on this matter is a complete and utter lie...wow, what a shocker. No but don't worry Democrats, she's totally a candidate for the people....:shootme

People need to wake the fuck up and stop support Democrats and Republicans alike. It's the same shit, just a different toilet.
 

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The saddest part about this entire fiasco is that if Clinton was still a member of Obama's administration, she'd at the very least be forced to resign....but because she's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Obama has endorsed her and will campaign for her...Haha, lovely political system we have here
How are you so sure she would have been forced to resign? To me it looks like the private server is something other people working with her would have been aware of. With that in mind I can't imagine her being fired on the spot for that. If current events serve as a reference she would have gotten a slap on the wrist, a shiny new official email account and a year long FBI investigation that would not produce results. Same as with virtually every other investigation against the clintons.
 

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People need to wake the fuck up and stop support Democrats and Republicans alike. It's the same shit, just a different toilet.
Who do you want people to support? Theres many excellent candidates in the Republican party that can appeal to what we need in America, Marco Rubio, Bob Mcdonnell are excellent future leaders of America.
 

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Who do you want people to support? Theres many excellent candidates in the Republican party that can appeal to what we need in America, Marco Rubio, Bob Mcdonnell are excellent future leaders of America.
Ah yes, living off the dime of the taxpayer and not doing your job and the taint of corruption charges sure are great steps to being an honest and trustworthy civil servant. As long as someone is more loyal to their party and it's donors than it is to the people they supposedly serve, they have no business holding an elected office.
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How are you so sure she would have been forced to resign? To me it looks like the private server is something other people working with her would have been aware of. With that in mind I can't imagine her being fired on the spot for that. If current events serve as a reference she would have gotten a slap on the wrist, a shiny new official email account and a year long FBI investigation that would not produce results. Same as with virtually every other investigation against the clintons.
Why does it matter whether people were aware of it or not? The server existed in defiance of the FOIA. The State Department itself made the content on that server classified retroactively, which means whatever correspondence are on there, they have no business being on a private server. What administration would keep a cabinet member that was under investigation by the FBI? Remember, Obama still had to worry about being reelected back when all of this happened.

And even if we completely discard this entire controversy altogether, what about the Clinton Foundation? That alone should have prevented her from ever being a serious candidate for Secretary of State, never mind the Presidency.
 
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