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Today is the first day clinton stopped falling since she began falling.
She saw a slight rise in chances on fivethirtyeight again.
That does not mean she cannot fall further from now on, but it is a good sign that she recovers a bit until eigth.
 

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Yeah, so far she has gained 3 points in about 36 hours . not sure what would have caused that though, I guess people got over the fbi thing and her emails.....
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And she is down again, below 65. dammit america, make up your mind already .
 

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Yea, Bernie I agree on, I just meant it is weird the Republicans didn't try to cash out on it instead of helping Hillary throw him out of the eye of the public.

They're a minority. Do you actually believe most white people are racist or anything like the bad seeds in Trump's supporters? How can you think that train of thought—of demonizing conservatives, millions of them, based on the notion that they all act like the few assholes—is okay? And they're supposed to be the bad people?

Really? "A shame on those Hillary supporters"? They threatened a child, a victim, and its just a "shame"? If this had been a supporter of Trump you'd be in this thread the second it happened saying just how evil all conservatives are. And really, they haven't attacked people? Or wait, is being a minority the only thing that matters if you are assaulted?
How much of a minority are they?

Yes, shame. And nah, I'd be saying how evil most of Trump supporters are. Did they attack the girl? No, so how are you proving my point wrong? THat's only if I claimed no anti-Trump people attacked anyone. I've criticized Hillary supporters too, and even shionoro, and called them deluded in terms of Hillary being decent. I've seen a video of a black Trump supporter punching a white Trump protester, as well. Problem isn't white supporters vs. colored protesters, it's supporters vs. protesters.

(Regardless of whether she was acting when she "hit" the floor or the really clickbaiting titles (finding some that were was a bit hard), you can really see how crazy anyone can get.)

I gave multiple sources, some of which include additional footage and details. There is also this video where her supporters attack one dude and try to cover his face from the cameras to hide it. Or even this:

(watch the entire video for this one)

Though I have a feeling none of these videos will even be watched or considered, it is worth providing.
Hmm, I still don't hundred percent believe the videos. A lot of times anti-Hillary stuff have shown to be lies and propaganda. Not that I'm saying anti-Trump stuff is all true, some of them are misunderstanding and exaggeration. But still.

That's hundreds and thousands of people doing that to Trump supporters and yet you, and most media outlets, makes no mention of this. Yet when a Trump supporter says something stupid or racist, its all over the news and conservatives are all labeled the same as the person who did the wrong.

So no, they're not louder. Your bias, and that of most U.S new outlets, only wants to listen to the crazies on the right side of the field. That's to be expected though in a time where generalizing white people is apparently okay because a minority of them did something stupid or racist (or because they aren't a minority). That's just the shitty world we live in now.
I don't see conservatives being lumped together as violent, just Trump supporters. Many Trump supporters aren't conservatives either, you have liberals and democrats there as well.
 

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^ @ Hillary dropping content above:

That drop must have come from the recent email leaks from Wikileaks. If it went up before, it'll go up again after a few days.

How much of a minority are they?
You want exact numbers to believe most or all white people aren't racist or horrible? How about you bring me some numbers that prove your generalizations are true instead? Until then you are only spewing your dislike of white people and conservatives.

Yes, shame. And nah, I'd be saying how evil most of Trump supporters are. Did they attack the girl? No, so how are you proving my point wrong? THat's only if I claimed no anti-Trump people attacked anyone. I've criticized Hillary supporters too, and even shionoro, and called them deluded in terms of Hillary being decent.
It is just a shame, but some tard on the internet saying women shouldn't vote is enough to hate on all white people and conservatives. Right, you criticized them, but you only seem to care if it is a conservative doing something crazy and when you see videos or other evidence that Bernie or Sanders supporters do just as crazy shit, you don't even care or brush it off or apply your "they're all like that" logic off the same reasons you do for conservatives. I see the double standards now.

I've seen a video of a black Trump supporter punching a white Trump protester, as well. Problem isn't white supporters vs. colored protesters, it's supporters vs. protesters.
I'm well aware there are crazy supporters for Trump, no need to point them out for the hundredth time. The point is that they exist in large numbers for everyone, but they are still a minority to their sane counterparts. So if I were to do as you were doing—generalizing all of Bernie or Hillary's supporters or anyone really—I could do it off of a few videos that contains hundreds of cases (and thousands of people) or a few comments some crackhead said on the internet, right?

Hmm, I still don't hundred percent believe the videos. A lot of times anti-Hillary stuff have shown to be lies and propaganda. Not that I'm saying anti-Trump stuff is all true, some of them are misunderstanding and exaggeration. But still.
Oh, you don't believe their authenticity. I saw that coming from a mile away. So you think thousands of people just acted out these violent attacks across the country? How can you not believe in these videos but just as easily believe all conservatives (as you said "Republicans = conservatives =") are "people who would rather live in pre-Civil Rights and pre-women's voting rights times" because of a hastag on a retarded media site like Twitter?

I don't see conservatives being lumped together as violent, just Trump supporters. Many Trump supporters aren't conservatives either, you have liberals and democrats there as well.
You are right, many aren't conservatives (but most are). Regardless of that though, that's not at all what you originally said and continued to say.

Republicans = conservatives = people who would rather live in pre-Civil Rights and pre-women's voting rights times. Supported by this is the amount of Trump supporters who wanted to repeal the 19th Amendment due to a joke map stating Trump would lose solely because women would be voting.

I'm sure that's really all he'd need to get an edge and capitalize. Main reason he's not trouncing Hillary is because he's a bigoted asshole with shitty supporters.
You said "conservatives" and "Republicans" (are Trump supporters) and then continued on by answering me each time that I asked that "conservatives" and "white people" are all to blame for the actions of his "shitty supporters". That it isn't a "minority" that are bad.

So yes, there are Democratic Trump supporters (etc) but you never once mentioned that. You concentrated solely on the conservatives and how they're all backwards crazy and violent. As you have done several times before in this thread.
 

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looks like clinton's crisis is over just in time.
Her winrate seems guaranteed to be at least at 66%.
 

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Im glad republicans get it, now if only they could win Tuesday to gain and maintain majorities i all parts of the elected governemnt. We can do it without a Trump leadership.
 

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By "creator" you mean "God"?
If that's the case, how come there were no Homosexual rights, or Black rights, or even women's rights? Or does it benefit a specific group that gains rights?
Also, daily reminder that the Treaty of Tripoli exists for a good reason.

Meanwhile:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3a1...ngton-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-clinton

It looks like we'll have even more problems on Election day, but I guess this is more reasons why the Electoral College needs to be abolished for good.
 
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looks like clinton's crisis is over just in time.
Her winrate seems guaranteed to be at least at 66%.
Why? She is just over 64% at fivethirtyeight.... Whatever the case it is going to be a extremely close race.
 

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Why? She is just over 64% at fivethirtyeight.... Whatever the case it is going to be a extremely close race.
Because her fall Seems to be over and she will likely see a slight rise in the remaining days. at least it is not gönna get worse
 

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Because her fall Seems to be over and she will likely see a slight rise in the remaining days. at least it is not gönna get worse
Well, we thought that a few days ago when she rose from 65 to 68.... The only way to actually know this is, well, within a few days. It has been just one day that she has stayed at this level after all....
 

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Yeah, so far she has gained 3 points in about 36 hours . not sure what would have caused that though, I guess people got over the fbi thing and her emails.....
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And she is down again, below 65. dammit america, make up your mind already .
We already have. Clinton will win every state that has consistently voted Democrat since 1992. Afterwards, she just needs to pick up a couple of battleground states (e.g. Virginia, Colorado) to clinch the nomination. Considering our country's polarized electorate, even low-information voters have little problems deciding on a party since there are substantial differences between our two major parties.

I think the only major mistake that many people have made about this election is their utter refusal to recognize the Republican Party for what it is: the vehicle of (perceived) white grievances. Trump is unusually strong because of our presidential system. If we had a parliamentary style of government, it's unlikely Trump would have gotten as far as he did.
 

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^ @ Hillary dropping content above:

That drop must have come from the recent email leaks from Wikileaks. If it went up before, it'll go up again after a few days.
Seriously doubt it, as I keep reading that she and Bill went to some pedophile's island full of underage prostitutes, and that her foundation accepted money from the Saudis. Dunno if it's true, especially since I don't trust Trump supporters, and Hillary supporters can be... very odd.



You want exact numbers to believe most or all white people aren't racist or horrible? How about you bring me some numbers that prove your generalizations are true instead? Until then you are only spewing your dislike of white people and conservatives.



It is just a shame, but some tard on the internet saying women shouldn't vote is enough to hate on all white people and conservatives. Right, you criticized them, but you only seem to care if it is a conservative doing something crazy and when you see videos or other evidence that Bernie or Sanders supporters do just as crazy shit, you don't even care or brush it off or apply your "they're all like that" logic off the same reasons you do for conservatives. I see the double standards now.
1. I don't dislike white people at all.
2. You don't have the numbers, so you're deflecting it on me.
3. I don't like conservatives based on how douchey most of them act. I'd still rather have conservatives and liberals that can meet than extreme liberals.
4. You missed the posts where I did criticize liberals.
5. It is not my fault that a lot of things coming from Trump or his supporters tend to be lies. Tons of things don't match up whenever I fact check.
6. I criticized my favorite source of news that I thought was unbiased for accusing Trump of encouraging Hillary's assassination when all he said was that Hillary relies on guns as well, though I think he was lying about her wanting to take it away?
7. What crazy shit has Bernie done? Minimum wage increase so people can make ends meet? Punishment for Wall Street criminals? I also know about Bernie supporters protesting aggressively at least one Trump rally, if the media is honest, and that one speaker at his rally said his supporters chanted "speak ENglish" or some racist things. Long ago, so of course it wont be brought up now.
8. I don't mean to say all conservatives are like that.
9. Everyone is full of double standards. Democrats, conservatives, Trump supporters, liberals, whatnot.



I'm well aware there are crazy supporters for Trump, no need to point them out for the hundredth time. The point is that they exist in large numbers for everyone, but they are still a minority to their sane counterparts. So if I were to do as you were doing—generalizing all of Bernie or Hillary's supporters or anyone really—I could do it off of a few videos that contains hundreds of cases (and thousands of people) or a few comments some crackhead said on the internet, right?
Supposedly a minority. But loud Trump supporters are still poisonous and bad. If they were loud but peaceful or some crap, I wouldn't care. If Trump supporters were peaceful from the get-go, I'd be embarrassed by the protesters' violence, but then I doubt most protesters would even get to that level of violence. And I did generalize most of Hillary's supporters as delusional, going by shionoro and few of her supporters that I know.

I don't watch random Youtube videos from anti-Hillary accounts or DumpTrump whatever to determine anything. I'm not a desperate Trump supporter. People can doctor videos, whether it's faking Hillary saying this or Trump saying that. The media would be more trustworthy. I don't know if Hillary supporters watch videos, but I don't see why they need to when mainstream media protects Hillary even though they usually use what Trump said against him, with very few twisting it or making it up.



Oh, you don't believe their authenticity. I saw that coming from a mile away. So you think thousands of people just acted out these violent attacks across the country? How can you not believe in these videos but just as easily believe all conservatives (as you said "Republicans = conservatives =") are "people who would rather live in pre-Civil Rights and pre-women's voting rights times" because of a hastag on a retarded media site like Twitter?




You are right, many aren't conservatives (but most are). Regardless of that though, that's not at all what you originally said and continued to say.



You said "conservatives" and "Republicans" (are Trump supporters) and then continued on by answering me each time that I asked that "conservatives" and "white people" are all to blame for the actions of his "shitty supporters". That it isn't a "minority" that are bad.

So yes, there are Democratic Trump supporters (etc) but you never once mentioned that. You concentrated solely on the conservatives and how they're all backwards crazy and violent. As you have done several times before in this thread.
These videos seem to be few people attacking. But if you want, I could get some friends to pretend they're beating up Trump supporters and claim Hillary supporters are wild animals. Trump supporters have not given me a reason to trust them, especially when they go on about how refugees are dangerous or how this or that.

"retarded media site?" Sounds like you don't use or understand Twitter. And no, I've said that I've seen multiple people support repealing 19th Amendment. I've seen few Trump supporters spout their bullshit as well on FB, and the few friends I've talked to who support him actually made me think Trump isn't/wasn't as bad as he seems. And that's because conservatives espouse ideas that make it look like they want to go back to pre-20th century ways. Also, someone (I think on this forum?) said that republicans can't be anything but conservative. But are there republicans who aren't conservative at all? I'd love to see or know any. If you said not all conservatives or republicans are extreme conservatives or have all conservative values, I'd concur.

A lot of them are, and they prove it many times. Even democratic Trump supporters share bullshit or lies about Trump while denying or excusing his bad behavior.
 

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Seriously doubt it, as I keep reading that she and Bill went to some pedophile's island full of underage prostitutes, and that her foundation accepted money from the Saudis. Dunno if it's true, especially since I don't trust Trump supporters, and Hillary supporters can be... very odd.
Well, the reason I doubt it is because so many people have already made up their mind. They could care less that she broke federal laws or did this and that. They didn't care the first time, why would they now? And now she's slowed down at 65% and it is extremely unlikely that she will drop.

Does this mean you read the leaked emails too though? Wikileaks is the source, isn't it? I haven't seen any Trump or Hillary supporter mentioning it yet. Emails also talk about bringing children from the ages of seven to eleven to their pool parties so they could "have some fun" while they can...they also talk about allowing Hillary Clinton to abuse staffers if it'll let her blow off steam (which would align with her supposed freak out during her interview with Matt Lauer). Crazy stuff if true.

1. I don't dislike white people at all.
2. You don't have the numbers, so you're deflecting it on me.
3. I don't like conservatives based on how douchey most of them act. I'd still rather have conservatives and liberals that can meet than extreme liberals.
4. You missed the posts where I did criticize liberals.
5. It is not my fault that a lot of things coming from Trump or his supporters tend to be lies. Tons of things don't match up whenever I fact check.
6. I criticized my favorite source of news that I thought was unbiased for accusing Trump of encouraging Hillary's assassination when all he said was that Hillary relies on guns as well, though I think he was lying about her wanting to take it away?
7. What crazy shit has Bernie done? Minimum wage increase so people can make ends meet? Punishment for Wall Street criminals? I also know about Bernie supporters protesting aggressively at least one Trump rally, if the media is honest, and that one speaker at his rally said his supporters chanted "speak ENglish" or some racist things. Long ago, so of course it wont be brought up now.

9. Everyone is full of double standards. Democrats, conservatives, Trump supporters, liberals, whatnot.
I don't have to prove the majority of white or conservative people aren't all bigots, racists or the like. Burden of proof falls on you, the person claiming most if not all whites and conservatives are as you said. And you're judging them all, calling them violent and stupid, so that's a pretty definite sign of some dislike if not hate.

I suppose I did miss these posts, but I doubt it contains the same kind of sentiments you have towards whites and conservatives. And wow, wait, I don't care if you point out liars or crazies in Trump supporters. The only thing I'm discussing is your remark and spoken sentiments that claims most if not all whites and conservatives are racist and violent.

I said "Bernie supporters" there, not "Bernie". :xp and why do you always doubt democratic demonstrations of violence and yet readily acknowledge conservative violence as absolute fact? Some of the videos I gave you had Bernie supporters attacking people, even other Bernie fans when they tried to stop their violence. What does it take to prove it to you? Does it have to be recorded by Bernie Sanders himself and then released on CNN or something?

8. I don't mean to say all conservatives are like that.
Then when I asked you several times over, why didn't you just say this? It could have ended this discussion a while ago...

Supposedly a minority. But loud Trump supporters are still poisonous and bad. If they were loud but peaceful or some crap, I wouldn't care. If Trump supporters were peaceful from the get-go, I'd be embarrassed by the protesters' violence, but then I doubt most protesters would even get to that level of violence. And I did generalize most of Hillary's supporters as delusional, going by shionoro and few of her supporters that I know.
And there you go again with that "supposedly a minority".

All crazy supporters are poisonous and bad. Trump supporters are no different, and they aren't in existence more than any other. People just like to pay attention to them more because it aligns with their personal beliefs and political alignment. They want to believe all conservatives are terrible, so they will. It's called confirmation bias.

Wait, wait. What do you mean by "If Trump supporters were peaceful from the get-go, I'd be embarrassed by the protesters' violence," this? So...right now you aren't because someone that supports Trump got violent? You do understand how wrong that is, right?

I don't watch random Youtube videos from anti-Hillary accounts or DumpTrump whatever to determine anything. I'm not a desperate Trump supporter. People can doctor videos, whether it's faking Hillary saying this or Trump saying that. The media would be more trustworthy. I don't know if Hillary supporters watch videos, but I don't see why they need to when mainstream media protects Hillary even though they usually use what Trump said against him, with very few twisting it or making it up.

These videos seem to be few people attacking. But if you want, I could get some friends to pretend they're beating up Trump supporters and claim Hillary supporters are wild animals. Trump supporters have not given me a reason to trust them, especially when they go on about how refugees are dangerous or how this or that.
Random? Well unfortunately news sites and channels refuse to be unbiased so you won't see this on the morning news of CNN or MSNBC or the like. It being on youtube doesn't make it fictitious.

And you must not have seen much of any of the videos, then. A lot of them were reuploads from new casts. You can't fake video evidence (yet) like this. Those were thousands of Hillary (and Bernie) supporters becoming violent against Trump supporters (and Bernie supporters) out of nowhere, even on children. What you are suggesting is a bit ridiculous that they were doctored, faked, acted etc etc.

A "few"? That's thousands, but regardless, you do believe thousands and thousands of people acted out the violence against non-Hillary/Bernie supporters. I don't deny that small altercations could easily be acted out, but we're talking about dozens of videos of thousands of people—some of which happened on air.

"retarded media site?" Sounds like you don't use or understand Twitter. And no, I've said that I've seen multiple people support repealing 19th Amendment. I've seen few Trump supporters spout their bullshit as well on FB, and the few friends I've talked to who support him actually made me think Trump isn't/wasn't as bad as he seems. And that's because conservatives espouse ideas that make it look like they want to go back to pre-20th century ways. Also, someone (I think on this forum?) said that republicans can't be anything but conservative. But are there republicans who aren't conservative at all? I'd love to see or know any. If you said not all conservatives or republicans are extreme conservatives or have all conservative values, I'd concur.

A lot of them are, and they prove it many times. Even democratic Trump supporters share bullshit or lies about Trump while denying or excusing his bad behavior.
Yes, that would be correct. I do not use media sites. They are a cancer to humanity and intelligence, and create hive minds. They also do not help to spread accurate information and will lead closed minded people into bigoted sentiments because someone else posted something or did something.

Possessing conservative values does not make them extreme, violent, a bigot or the like. It is how they represent their values that makes them extreme or violent.
 
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I know this is not a post, but i will still answer:

Isn't it sad that when Edward Snowden exposes classified information he gets charged with treason, but when Hillary Clinton does it she's wanted for our president?
Don't vote for a lying, racist fraud and don't settle on which evil to support.
You are comparing willfull distribution of classified information with the maximum possible public reaction as target to not following a safety measure.
That's like saying someone is as bad as a thief because he forgot to lock the door.

Also: Why would anyone in the american voting system NOT vote for the lesser of two evils?
Clinton is even the lesser of four evils, it's not like stein or johnson are better choices.
Not picking the smaller evil means picking the bigger one.
 

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Isn't it sad that when Edward Snowden exposes classified information he gets charged with treason, but when Hillary Clinton does it she's wanted for our president?
Don't vote for a lying, racist fraud and don't settle on which evil to support.
Yeah this is a problem, I´m amazed that she can run for President with that amount of dirt on her back and those emails, oh boy, I definitely dont feel any jealousy towards Trey Gowdy´s position in that case whatsoever.

Snowden is still in a tough spot if Trump is elected though, we can even debate about it being even a worse position than the one he has now.:s
 

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Yeah this is a problem, I´m amazed that she can run for President with that amount of dirt on her back and those emails, oh boy, I definitely dont feel any jealousy towards Trey Gowdy´s position in that case whatsoever.

Snowden is still in a tough spot if Trump is elected though, we can even debate about it being even a worse position than the one he has now.:s
As i stated in this thread very often: The dirt at clinton's hands is not even close to a tenth of what she is blamed for.

I know my fair share of trump supporters who think clinton hired assassins to dispose of people.
 

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Two more days until were free from some of these ads. Im tired of seeing Clintons ad in which they show Donald Trump supposedly making fun of the reporter, or saying hes going to bomb the expletive out of them (how is that a bad thing, terrorists need to be eliminated. Trumps ads always seem well produced, very patriotic music focused on the issues (workers having jobs) etc.

Favorite one (also I love the image he chose for Insiders Thrived)

Also favorite one for a local ad, because they make sure you dont forget that she is LIBERAL.
 

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The problem with discussing hillary this time around is that there are way too many things people bring up with are straight up lies and get in the way of discussing the actual issues there are with her as a candidate. I can't stress enough how much of a lie the whole bhengazzi thing is, whitewater is a conspiracy theory, the multiple conspiracy theories regarding how many people she has ordered killed, something with the watergate commission.... And god knows how many others. None of those have any ground to stand on at all and yet people bring them up. Bringing any of this up is "flat earth" level of stupid and obviously the answer to any of those is "each and every one of those is demonstrably false and all it takes to do it is 5 minutes on google".

Hillary's issues as a candidate come from her policies, using the foundation to sell the idea that it can be used to approach her and her husband (I am not sure if it can be proven that anything actually came out of this), using her foundation to get paid speeches (according to some leaked emails at least). Now, this is not to say hillary isn't the lesser evil considering trump is actually stupid (as in, don't trust him with sharp stuff stupid), ignorant, racist, xenophobic, misogynist, his policies are either non existent or terrible (he wants to stop supporting nato, charge US allies for support turning the US military into a bunch of lowly mercenaries, he seems rather willing to actually use nukes and even supports the idea of more countries getting nukes, he would basically spread the US' metaphorical legs for putin, he consistently praises two bit dictators, he believes EVERY conspiracy theory, has complete disregard for actual science and his actual business model is scamming people out of their hard earned money by pretending to be far wealthier and competent than he is (just look at the casinos, turmp's fake university, several of his real state projects....).
 

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Sowwy to come here BUT I have one important thing to say:derp
It looks like Japan loves Trump:teehee

Nope really, Who would want Trump as a President; he's racist and sexist ...
Even if Clinton isn't better , she's not worse than him, these elections are just WTF to me
Clinton was revealed to have secrets messages with idk by chance just before the vote?
Trump please, stop thinking we're as Dumb as you :no
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Trump MAY be smart, but all he done was his dad who gave him money
Then he built a tower with his name, and it was just businness after....
 

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Seems like clinton has been polling between the 64-65% over the last few days. i guess she won't be going lower than that unless there is yet another bombshell. i am not optimistic about her polling increasing much over the next few days.
 
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