American Politics

[Philia]

Trump looking to issue another order regarding immigration......I wonder which countries he will be including this time....

 

[Aonori]

I'll support journalists, so long as they are not lying scum with agendas to push. That kind of journalism is not welcomed and will never help a democracy like ours, just undermine it. You can feel free to watch their bs and support their corrupt and dishonest values and agendas, but I won't be apart of that.

Yup, I too will support them as long as they dont lie, I hate when people try to school other people with lies and lets not even get started on their vídeo editing, bait and switch tactics, etc... True journalists shouldnt do any of that, period.

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I don't understand how anyone can claim to be a patriot or American and still support Trump

And I dont understand how radical globalists could possibly think their agendas and goals arent gonna destroy America, while they think protecionist trump patriots are nazis, when most havent got the faintest idea on what nazi Germain was like.

 

[Philia]

Yup, I too will support them as long as they dont lie, I hate when people try to school other people with lies and lets not even get started on their vídeo editing, bait and switch tactics, etc... True journalists shouldnt do any of that, period.

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And I dont understand how radical globalists could possibly think their agendas and goals arent gonna destroy America, while they think protecionist trump patriots are nazis, when most havent got the faintest idea on what nazi Germain was like.

Trump is likely to destroy America faster than the radical globalists though

 

[Aonori]

And they can't understand how people who don't support Trump could call themselves American or a patriot. Many Americans define the two very differently.

They arent at best, you have moderate liberals and then a bunch of radical globalist rioters who dont know what the fuck they are rioting for.

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Trump is likely to destroy America faster than the radical globalists though

Oh, I dont think so, I used to believe globalists had something good going for them a nice while ago, but Obama and a few others (George Soros too), made me change my mind, they are more dangerous than a 4 year term republican US president, defending American proteccionism, and Trump is wild-card status.

 

[Philia]

They arent at best, you have moderate liberals and then a bunch of radical globalist rioters.

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Oh, I dont think so, I used to believe globalists had something good going for them a nice while ago, but Obama and a few others (George Soros too), made me change my mind, they are more dangerous than a 4 year term republican US president, defending American proteccionism, and Trump is wild-card status.

Obama has been a decent president. I don't know what fault you find in him. Specially when comparing him to the republican president Bush before.

 

[Aonori]

Obama has been a decent president. I don't know what fault you find in him. Specially when comparing him to the republican president Bush before.

Obama was a weak president, giving too much of a free leash to foreign countries, than what they needed, a weak America is bad, it gives too much power over to China and they arent the best followers of human rights, Obama made a fool of himself in the G20 meeting because he was a weak president any american with the faintest hint of patriotism should feel insulted by what China did to him and dont get me started on how Obama couldnt even control his warmonger generals from making stupid threats of WW3 with Russia, while breaking ceasefire treaties left and right, failing with Obamacare, etc... Nothing good came from the Obama presidency, except maybe the fact that the American people got more prepared to vote for Trump in the next election.

Bush was a disgrace, worst than Obama a lot of vid editting on him, I dont trust that man and not only that but he was weak presidential material as well.

While those two were presidents the US was getting more debt and China was buying good raw material companies and investing on the energy industry, I dont see how they were any good, though granted Trump can end up delivering just as bad or worse, but at least he wont go down as a weak president and will answer back to anyone trying to undermine him and America.

 

[M3J]

And they can't understand how people who don't support Trump could call themselves American or a patriot. Many Americans define the two very differently.

The thing is, a lot of people who don't support Trump don't support him because they know he's bad for America. Trump doesn't give a shit about America, because if he did, he wouldn't be singling out Muslims, making us pay for a dumb wall when he could use that money towards vets, or lie and encourage riots. If his supporters cared, they wouldn't be okay with the wall and would have been angry at Trump calling prisoners of wars losers,

Americans should define calling one's self as American as someone who loves his country and wants to see it be great and improve. Trump does not want this to happen, and neither do most of his supporters with wonky logic. At least with Bush and Obama, I had no doubt they cared about America (to a degree at least), but with Trump, it's about himself and his businesses. From what I read, we're spending a lot for Melania to live out of the White HOuse, and Trump cried just because a business cut ties with his daughter's brand for not selling well. Hell, the people Trump appointed are proof enough it's not about America for him.


Funny thing is, Trump supporters act as if Hillary's loss is what's riling us up. If Hillary did an 180 and started saying the same things Trump is, or doing the same things, if she won, then her former supporters would likely join Trump supporters in rioting. It's not about who, it's about what. If Trump didn't divide America, lied, and spread hatred, not as many people would have a problem with him.

 

[Aonori]

The thing is, a lot of people who don't support Trump don't support him because they know he's bad for America. Trump doesn't give a shit about America, because if he did, he wouldn't be singling out Muslims, making us pay for a dumb wall when he could use that money towards vets, or lie and encourage riots. If his supporters cared, they wouldn't be okay with the wall and would have been angry at Trump calling prisoners of wars losers,

Americans should define calling one's self as American as someone who loves his country and wants to see it be great and improve. Trump does not want this to happen, and neither do most of his supporters with wonky logic. At least with Bush and Obama, I had no doubt they cared about America (to a degree at least), but with Trump, it's about himself and his businesses. From what I read, we're spending a lot for Melania to live out of the White HOuse, and Trump cried just because a business cut ties with his daughter's brand for not selling well. Hell, the people Trump appointed are proof enough it's not about America for him.


Funny thing is, Trump supporters act as if Hillary's loss is what's riling us up. If Hillary did an 180 and started saying the same things Trump is, or doing the same things, if she won, then her former supporters would likely join Trump supporters in rioting. It's not about who, it's about what. If Trump didn't divide America, lied, and spread hatred, not as many people would have a problem with him.

He wants to target the radical ones, but he has no choice but to limit all, since they are inside the mass of refugees that comes into America, if anything´s it´s Obama´s fault for having no experts checking these people more throughly when he started signing into the USA refugee papers.

Better paying for a Wall to keep some border control than to waste on financially supporting refugees who arent exactly offering a good payback in the investment at the moment, or that have some risk of.

I dont see how they cared about America with their agendas, unless they were just incompetent fools with good intentions.

Only the radicals would riot so only a part of those supporters would be doing any riots, what is really important to understand here is how much radical dems or radical pro trump guys would exactly be doing riots the number would certainly differ.

 

[kkck]

He wants to target the radical ones, but he has no choice but to limit all, since they are inside the mass of refugees that comes into America, if anything´s it´s Obama´s fault for having no experts checking these people more throughly when he started signing into the USA refugee papers.

Better paying for a Wall to keep some border control than to waste on financially supporting refugees who arent exactly offering a good payback in the investment at the moment, or that have some risk of.

I dont see how they cared about America with their agendas, unless they were just incompetent fools with good intentions.

Only the radicals would riot so only a part of those supporters would be doing any riots, what is really important to understand here is how much radical dems or radical pro trump guys would exactly be doing riots the number would certainly differ.

There is no evidence whatsoever that there are terrorists hidden among the refugees. Not to mention that it is factually incorrect to suggest there are masses of refugees coming into the US. The notion is completely absurd. Even if the US accepted every single refugee that obama would have allowed in, it still would not count as a mass of refugees. More so, the evidence does suggest the vetting process they had going on for the few refugees the US was accepting was working well. This whole thing was entirely made up by the conservatives at the US, there is literally no evidence to support any of this.

 

[Aonori]

There is no evidence whatsoever that there are terrorists hidden among the refugees. Not to mention that it is factually incorrect to suggest there are masses of refugees coming into the US. The notion is completely absurd. Even if the US accepted every single refugee that obama would have allowed in, it still would not count as a mass of refugees. More so, the evidence does suggest the vetting process they had going on for the few refugees the US was accepting was working well. This whole thing was entirely made up by the conservatives at the US, there is literally no evidence to support any of this.

There is, like ex-terrorist refugees.

 

[kkck]

There is, like ex-terrorist refugees.

I have never heard anything about it and even a quick google search does not really provide any information about this (I will look a bit more though). In any case, them being "ex"-terrorists wouldn't support your claim that "terrorists" are hiding among refugees.

 

[Franckie]

What I want to understand is how the 9th Circuit could rule against it given 8 U.S. Code 1182? Clearly the president has the power to do this,r ight? So can someone here explain this whole mess for me please? I'm without tv so I'm completely lost on updates and I hate digging through main stream media like CNN and Fox.

It's worth pointing out that the 9th Circuit isn't ruling on whether Trump's immigration order is legal. It's not even a ruling on whether it should be blocked pending the result of other lawsuits. It's a ruling on an emergency stay of the temporary restraining order issued last week by a district court in Seattle. For now, the TRO remains in place unless the Supreme Court overturns the cicuit court and grants the emergency stay. Later we'll get a full hearing on the TRO, and following that we'll get trials on the various lawsuits challenging the legality of the immigration order.

I don't understand how anyone can claim to be a patriot or American and still support Trump

And they can't understand how people who don't support Trump could call themselves American or a patriot. Many Americans define the two very differently.

It's Republicans' own version of political correctness. Tribal mentality is rampant among the party, especially among the far-right. To them, party and country are one and the same. So anyone who is "against" the party is also against the country. Hence the accusations against people of being unpatriotic, being in league with terrorists, being unAmerican, etc.

 

[M3J]

He wants to target the radical ones, but he has no choice but to limit all, since they are inside the mass of refugees that comes into America, if anything´s it´s Obama´s fault for having no experts checking these people more throughly when he started signing into the USA refugee papers.

Better paying for a Wall to keep some border control than to waste on financially supporting refugees who arent exactly offering a good payback in the investment at the moment, or that have some risk of.

I dont see how they cared about America with their agendas, unless they were just incompetent fools with good intentions.

Only the radicals would riot so only a part of those supporters would be doing any riots, what is really important to understand here is how much radical dems or radical pro trump guys would exactly be doing riots the number would certainly differ.

He's not targeting radical ones, he's hiding behind lies and bullshit to justify xenophobia and racism. If he wants to target radical people, start with homegrown, as I said. More white Christians have caused deaths and destruction in US than Muslims, so that bullshit doesn't work. There's no proof of refugees being dangerous, or radical people being inside a mass of refugees. ANd if you actually did do research and fact checking, you'd know that the refugees who come into this country are stringently vetting and have been for months/years since Obama. No terrorist will come in as a refugee because if they tried, they'd get denied and sent back unless they have a very good fake background and can hold up their stories well.

If anything, it's Trump's fault for constantly lying about the vetting system, the refugees, and targeting the Muslims despite proof and evidence of how wrong he is. Isn't it weird how Trump didn't address the mosque shooting after we found out it wss a white nationalist who loves Trump that shot a group of Muslims, and yet Trump quickly tweeted about the Louvre Museum attack despite no casualties? THere are also reports that the administration is leaving off white terrorists and focusing on Muslims only. Everything about this is bullshit, and it's the Trump supporters who can't realize that.

No, and anyone who thinks a wall will help is an idiot. A wall won't do anything but waste taxpayers' money, especially when Trump and his cabinet are rich enough to afford building the wall themselves. And I suggested putting the money towards helping the vets, but supporting the refugees is also a great idea. We can do both. At least either will have some sort of payback in investment, unlike a wall that can easily be bypassed.

No, tons of Trump supporters promised riots if Hillary lost, and Trump himself said he wouldn't accept the results if he lost. Supporters would definitely riot, and former Hillary supporters would at least protest against Hillary's hatred and bigotry.

More radical pro-Trump guys would riot and probably be even worse. I'm sure of this. But then again, anti-Trumpers probably thought Hillary would win, so they decided to act righteous, I guess.

 

[Philia]

Trump can end up delivering just as bad or worse, but at least he wont go down as a weak president and will answer back to anyone trying to undermine him and America.

Ahhh....nice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...irms-one-china-policy-call-chinas-xi-jinping/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...p-may-turn-out-to-be-a-paper-tiger?CMP=twt_gu

Trump stronk

 

[xi0]

Trump looking to issue another order regarding immigration......I wonder which countries he will be including this time....

It's really his only option. The supreme court wouldn't likely rule in a different direction because of how haphazard the EO and the appeals case were. It's kind of clear that the DoJ had no interest in defending what the White House wrote in earnest, because they really couldn't.

 

[Philia]

It's really his only option. The supreme court wouldn't likely rule in a different direction because of how haphazard the EO and the appeals case were. It's kind of clear that the DoJ had no interest in defending what the White House wrote in earnest, because they really couldn't.

Yeah but like Shionoro said if a ban like this doesn't include KSA then it can be said that the ban isn't targeting terrorists. And possibility of him including KSA in the list is almost zero.

 

[xi0]

Yeah but like Shionoro said if a ban like this doesn't include KSA then it can be said that the ban isn't targeting terrorists. And possibility of him including KSA in the list is almost zero.

Well, there could have been numerous concessions that could be made to make it's time in the courts easier and less controversial, but these weren't made. That could have been intentional by someone like Bannan in order to sew more conflict, or it could be more ineptitude. Don't really know. It isn't like a President's EO getting challenged in court is anything new really.

 

[Aonori]

He's not targeting radical ones, he's hiding behind lies and bullshit to justify xenophobia and racism. If he wants to target radical people, start with homegrown, as I said. More white Christians have caused deaths and destruction in US than Muslims, so that bullshit doesn't work. There's no proof of refugees being dangerous, or radical people being inside a mass of refugees. ANd if you actually did do research and fact checking, you'd know that the refugees who come into this country are stringently vetting and have been for months/years since Obama. No terrorist will come in as a refugee because if they tried, they'd get denied and sent back unless they have a very good fake background and can hold up their stories well.

If anything, it's Trump's fault for constantly lying about the vetting system, the refugees, and targeting the Muslims despite proof and evidence of how wrong he is. Isn't it weird how Trump didn't address the mosque shooting after we found out it wss a white nationalist who loves Trump that shot a group of Muslims, and yet Trump quickly tweeted about the Louvre Museum attack despite no casualties? THere are also reports that the administration is leaving off white terrorists and focusing on Muslims only. Everything about this is bullshit, and it's the Trump supporters who can't realize that.

No, and anyone who thinks a wall will help is an idiot. A wall won't do anything but waste taxpayers' money, especially when Trump and his cabinet are rich enough to afford building the wall themselves. And I suggested putting the money towards helping the vets, but supporting the refugees is also a great idea. We can do both. At least either will have some sort of payback in investment, unlike a wall that can easily be bypassed.

No, tons of Trump supporters promised riots if Hillary lost, and Trump himself said he wouldn't accept the results if he lost. Supporters would definitely riot, and former Hillary supporters would at least protest against Hillary's hatred and bigotry.

More radical pro-Trump guys would riot and probably be even worse. I'm sure of this. But then again, anti-Trumpers probably thought Hillary would win, so they decided to act righteous, I guess.

The terrorists are inside the refugees coming to the US deny it in anyway shape or form but it's true, KSA should be on the ban list though.

US Taxpayer money was already being wasted before any of trump's wall building plans so I'm I ok to assume all of that taxpayer money being wasted on failures like Obamacare wasnt idiotic but that trump's wall building is? At least the wall is more useful, but of course if the illegals can just get in the US in another way and unless trump can establish efficient ways to fix that the problem will remain.

Hillary winning would be triggering WW3 with russia of course the US people with any bit of common sense would riot, trump's endorsements first the people afterwards once Hillary's presidency backlash would get them fed up.

We probably wont ever get to know how radical pro trump people would riot but at the very least most of them wouldnt be being paid to do so, way better than the paid to act radical globalists etnically at least.

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I have never heard anything about it and even a quick google search does not really provide any information about this (I will look a bit more though). In any case, them being "ex"-terrorists wouldn't support your claim that "terrorists" are hiding among refugees.

Until a terrorist attack happens and a link comes up that is.

 

[Philia]

The terrorists are inside the refugees coming to the US deny it in anyway shape or form but it's true, KSA should be on the ban list though.

US Taxpayer money was already being wasted before any of trump's wall building plans so I'm I ok to assume all of that taxpayer money being wasted on failures like Obamacare wasnt idiotic but that trump's wall building is? At least the wall is more useful, but of course if the illegals can just get in the US in another way and unless trump can establish efficient ways to fix that the problem will remain.

Hillary winning would be triggering WW3 with russia.

Why would terrorists would like to go through the long vetting process when they can get in forging fake documents much easier? Its strange that some people are so concerned about terrorism from refugees but when it is done by white nationalists they seem to be pretty ok with it.

Also as bad candidate Hillary was, she wouldn't trigger WW3 with Russia or anyone else. She probably would've caused more tensions between the counties though.

 

[Aonori]

Why would terrorists would like to go through the long vetting process when they can get in forging fake documents much easier? Its strange that some people are so concerned about terrorism from refugees but when it is done by white nationalists they seem to be pretty ok with it.

Also as bad candidate Hillary was, she wouldn't trigger WW3 with Russia or anyone else. She probably would've caused more tensions between the counties though.

We dont know how would it go down but the odds of hillary starting ww3 as president were super high especially with obama's presidency.