American Politics

[Aonori]

And yet you still aren't bothering to explain yourself on why WW3 under a Clinton presidency would have a "super high" chance of happening and why it won't happen under a Trump presidency. Clinton giving the appearance of being more outwardly hawkish compared to Obama still isn't a legitimate reason for why WW3 would realistically happen.

Obama set up conditions for a russia vs america scenario if hillary went in and followed through similar to obama there would be a problem.

And what legitimate reason? Stepping up the plate in syria with stupid warmonger generals against russia and Assad? More sanctions on russia? Or anything else not very new to speak of. But what could potentially trigger a ww3 with russia the most? Depends on what hillary could do as a president but yes the risk of ww3 with her is higher than trump here.

 

[kkck]

Until a terrorist attack happens and a link comes up that is.

So.... every single bit of evidence out there suggests the vetting works as intended, there have been for years no record of a refugee committing a terrorist attack and on top of that the US is barely taking in refugees from Syria anyways but yet there is a serious risk here? There is a bigger risk to die by being crushed by a vending machine than being killed by a terrorist.

 

[xi0]

Obama set up conditions for a russia vs america scenario if hillary went in and followed through similar to obama there would be a problem.

And what legitimate reason? Stepping up the plate in syria with stupid warmonger generals against russia and Assad? More sanctions on russia? Or anything else not very new to speak of. But what could potentially trigger a ww3 with russia the most? Depends on what hillary could do as a president but yes the risk of ww3 with her is higher than trump here.

Set up conditions how? Some Republicans even argued that he was too soft on Russia, only leveling sanctions in the wake of the Crimea fiasco, and giving marginal support to Baltic states who are NATO members. He didn't insist on a hard no-fly zone in Syria because it would effectively meant nothing if Russia refused to follow it, then Russia ended up effectively installing one themselves.

And who the hell are these warmonger generals you keep mentioning? You really think any sanctions the West levy against other countries are done to provoke them into war with us or NATO-allied countries? It really seems like you're being sold a bill of goods that doesn't exist...

 

[Aonori]

Set up conditions how? Some Republicans even argued that he was too soft on Russia, only leveling sanctions in the wake of the Crimea fiasco, and giving marginal support to Baltic states who are NATO members. He didn't insist on a hard no-fly zone in Syria because it would effectively meant nothing if Russia refused to follow it, then Russia ended up effectively installing one themselves.

And who the hell are these warmonger generals you keep mentioning? You really think any sanctions the West levy against other countries are done to provoke them into war with us or NATO-allied countries? It really seems like you're being sold a bill of goods that doesn't exist...

Someone forgot the reasons why that No fly zone came to be in the first place, it was because the US broke a ceasefire treaty with Russia and Putin was pissed so they got a No fly zone, it was a deserved punishment period.


And I recommend watching the comments below, the remarks are gold (some refer to Art of War schooling btw).

 

[xi0]

How is this any different from standard fare posturing? How is it any different than the kind of things Mattis has said? It's cringey as hell, but I don't see how there's anything remarkable about it...

 

[Aonori]

How is this any different from standard fare posturing? How is it any different than the kind of things Mattis has said? It's cringey as hell, but I don't see how there's anything remarkable about it...

You seriously want to compare a stupid warmonger´s speech, to that of Mattis?!

Ok here´s the link and compare the comments below with those of the stupid warmonger general, it might show you something:
There are more speeches by the way be free to search the rest for yourself if you want.

Mattis is a good pick, he will keep the other generals in order so they dont make this sort of stuff, common pratice.

 

[James Rye]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/12/trump-administration-considering-narrower-travel-ban

Oh boy, is it just me or doesn't this sound like Trump thinks the court has too much power and needs to be taken down a notch or two after stopping his ban? What this Miller guy says seems to have full approval by Trump and it sounds more pretty much like "fuck you, court, we will do our thing and don't you dare get in our way!".

 

[kkck]

And so continues trump's pathetic attempts at becoming a two bit south america dictator. Seriously, attacking judges.... That is actually incredibly dangerous to a democracy. Hopefully the attempt remains pathetic and he doesn't actually manage to hurt the courts in a meaningful manner. Why do this 4 trump weeks feel like 4 years? It's like time slowed down since trump turned the white house into a joke.

Seriously though, the conservatives at the US are fine with trump? Once again you have the world thinking the US is an unreliable ally who is being led by a guy whose IQ is in the upper single digits (no amount of trump telling us how smart and competent he is is going to convince me without actual evidence to support the assertion)....

 

[xi0]

You seriously want to compare a stupid warmonger´s speech, to that of Mattis?!

Yeah, as far as saber-rattling goes, why the hell not?

Mattis is a good pick, he will keep the other generals in order so they dont make this sort of stuff, common pratice.

Not about whether he's a good pick or not. I'm saying there is a false dichotomy you're presenting by continually presenting generals as "warmongering" when it's their job to defeat America's enemies. The guy not being as eloquent as someone else doesn't change this fact.

 

[M3J]

The terrorists are inside the refugees coming to the US deny it in anyway shape or form but it's true, KSA should be on the ban list though.

US Taxpayer money was already being wasted before any of trump's wall building plans so I'm I ok to assume all of that taxpayer money being wasted on failures like Obamacare wasnt idiotic but that trump's wall building is? At least the wall is more useful, but of course if the illegals can just get in the US in another way and unless trump can establish efficient ways to fix that the problem will remain.

Hillary winning would be triggering WW3 with russia of course the US people with any bit of common sense would riot, trump's endorsements first the people afterwards once Hillary's presidency backlash would get them fed up.

We probably wont ever get to know how radical pro trump people would riot but at the very least most of them wouldnt be being paid to do so, way better than the paid to act radical globalists etnically at least.

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Until a terrorist attack happens and a link comes up that is.

How can a false statement be true? Do you have any proof that terrorists are pretending to be refugees as they come to the US? The evidence is clear, there is no danger from the refugees. And again, if you did do any fact checking, which I don't expect from someone praising Trump, you'd see we're in far more danger from homegrown. If Trump was really concerned with our safety, if his supporters were really concerned with safety, that's where they'd start, not from imaginary threats from refugees.

Nah, if you research, Affordable Care Act apparently wasn't a waste of money, it was a right step in the right direction, apart from few flaws. It at least helped people, whereas a wall won't do that. More illegal immigration has come from people coming into the country via plane and staying longer than they were allowed than running over the border. Common sense will tell anyone that the wall won't do anything but waste taxpayers' money, and to compare it to ACA is pretty stupid. I mean, even people who voted for Trump are against him repealing ACA.

Doubt Hillary would trigger WW3 with Russia. There's no guarantee that Russia won't attack us under Trump either, and they'd be in a great position to do so by luring Trump into false sense of security due to his "friendship" with Putin, and then attacking the country unexpectedly. Might not trigger WW3 but it would do severe damage to us.

Pretty sure pro-Trump people would riot pretty badly, based on what they themselves said. Where is the proof that the other side was paid to riot, though? Seems like a typical right wing conspiracy theory.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Seriously though, the conservatives at the US are fine with trump?

They're fine with it as long as they have power in the Government, hence why the GOP party is slaughtered.

 

[Aonori]

Yeah, as far as saber-rattling goes, why the hell not?


Not about whether he's a good pick or not. I'm saying there is a false dichotomy you're presenting by continually presenting generals as "warmongering" when it's their job to defeat America's enemies. The guy not being as eloquent as someone else doesn't change this fact.

Mattis read the Art of war and knows his shit, there´s no comparison here, on those two, it´s like trying to compare fleet Admiral Thrawn to Konstantine in Star Wars, not a good idea.

But do you want good warmongers, or Stupid warmongers? A war with russia over syrian BS, is stupid warmonger material under the specified context and if lets say America is fucked and has to go to war at least they might as well do so under a good warmonger that read some good shit and actually learned from it so he can deliver on a better job, than the incompetent ones.

 

[kkck]

Mattis read the Art of war and knows his shit, there´s no comparison here, on those two, it´s like trying to compare fleet Admiral Thrawn to Konstantine in Star Wars, not a good idea.

But do you want good warmongers, or Stupid warmongers? A war with russia over syrian BS, is stupid warmonger material under the specified context and if lets say America is fucked and has to go to war at least they might as well do so under a good warmonger that read some good shit and actually learned from it so he can deliver on a better job, than the incompetent ones.

What? I mean, there is nothing wrong with reading the art of war but the whole thing is not even 80 pages long (well, the version I have is about 160 pages but the pages are tiny and the font fairly big).. It's not really that much of a credential. You sound as if you are saying he graduated from war school with honors and then went to get his phd in warology at warniversity.

 

[Aonori]

How can a false statement be true? Do you have any proof that terrorists are pretending to be refugees as they come to the US? The evidence is clear, there is no danger from the refugees. And again, if you did do any fact checking, which I don't expect from someone praising Trump, you'd see we're in far more danger from homegrown. If Trump was really concerned with our safety, if his supporters were really concerned with safety, that's where they'd start, not from imaginary threats from refugees.

Nah, if you research, Affordable Care Act apparently wasn't a waste of money, it was a right step in the right direction, apart from few flaws. It at least helped people, whereas a wall won't do that. More illegal immigration has come from people coming into the country via plane and staying longer than they were allowed than running over the border. Common sense will tell anyone that the wall won't do anything but waste taxpayers' money, and to compare it to ACA is pretty stupid. I mean, even people who voted for Trump are against him repealing ACA.

Doubt Hillary would trigger WW3 with Russia. There's no guarantee that Russia won't attack us under Trump either, and they'd be in a great position to do so by luring Trump into false sense of security due to his "friendship" with Putin, and then attacking the country unexpectedly. Might not trigger WW3 but it would do severe damage to us.

Pretty sure pro-Trump people would riot pretty badly, based on what they themselves said. Where is the proof that the other side was paid to riot, though? Seems like a typical right wing conspiracy theory.

Until a incident happens and it turned out a 2nd gen. radicalized muslim refugee did something, it´s not that far up the possibility and did already happen, also I´d advice to go watch some vids like this:



There´s also this lil, thing on Sweden, it seems not only the police was pissed, they are deporting 80k, I´m certain there must be some very good evidence to back this up:



Now it´s not exactly terrorism, but a very dangerous case of civil unrest, which just like terrorism trump most likely aims to prevent all together.

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What? I mean, there is nothing wrong with reading the art of war but the whole thing is not even 80 pages long (well, the version I have is about 160 pages but the pages are tiny and the font fairly big).. It's not really that much of a credential. You sound as if you are saying he graduated from war school with honors and then went to get his phd in warology at warniversity.

It´s not just about Reading it, it´s about understanding it and it´s visible that the man knows what he´s talking about when he talks about stuff related to that, he´s experienced in warfare a good veteran, all in all it was a good pick for the spot, it´s not like I knew what his competition was though, If they were better than him and you guys know something on them, I could change my views on Mattis.

 

[xi0]

Mattis read the Art of war and knows his shit, there´s no comparison here, on those two, it´s like trying to compare fleet Admiral Thrawn to Konstantine in Star Wars, not a good idea.

But do you want good warmongers, or Stupid warmongers? A war with russia over syrian BS, is stupid warmonger material under the specified context and if lets say America is fucked and has to go to war at least they might as well do so under a good warmonger that read some good shit and actually learned from it so he can deliver on a better job, than the incompetent ones.

You really think Mattis is the first military officer to read Sun Tzu and understand it? My garbageman has read it as well. Who cares?

And yeah, for sure, I bet you were in all the debriefings and meetings with the awkward "warmonger" and know all about his competency as a military strategist and leader. Sorry, but this rationale you're employing here is just so flawed and intellectually dishonest to me. And that's coming from someone who never supported Clinton or voted for her.

 

[Aonori]

You really think Mattis is the first military officer to read Sun Tzu and understand it? My garbageman has read it as well. Who cares?

And yeah, for sure, I bet you were in all the debriefings and meetings with the awkward "warmonger" and know all about his competency as a military strategist and leader. Sorry, but this rationale you're employing here is just so flawed and intellectually dishonest to me. And that's coming from someone who never supported Clinton or voted for her.

And yet, I openly stated I could change my views on Mattis if there was a better contender for his spot, or if he started fucking up which so far he didnt I´m still waiting on that.

 

[M3J]

Until a incident happens and it turned out a 2nd gen. radicalized muslim refugee did something, it´s not that far up the possibility and did already happen, also I´d advice to go watch some vids like this:


There´s also this lil, thing on Sweden, it seems not only the police was pissed, they are deporting 80k, I´m certain there must be some very good evidence to back this up:



Now it´s not exactly terrorism, but a very dangerous case of civil unrest, which just like terrorism trump most likely aims to prevent all together.

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It´s not just about Reading it, it´s about understanding it and it´s visible that the man knows what he´s talking about when he talks about stuff related to that, he´s experienced in warfare a good veteran, all in all it was a good pick for the spot, it´s not like I knew what his competition was though, If they were better than him and you guys know something on them, I could change my views on Mattis.

No such incident will happen as the vetting process is very stringent, and so far no incident has ever happened in the past decade anyway. I'll take the word of refugees over a bigoted, lying piece of shit or politicians or his supporters, and the refugees tell us how hard and long it is to get through the vetting process. If anything doesn't check out, if anything is suspicious, then the refugee is not getting in. Logic states that no terrorist would attempt to get in the US as a refugee when entry via visa is much easier and less risky.

Oh, I didn't know Sweden and and France were in North America or that they had the same rules and vetting process as USA. You're so totally right now!! The maps are wrong, Sweden and France need to be in North America, not in Europe!!

Yeah, so you have absolutely no proof that we're in any danger from refugee other than two biased, bullshit videos with an anti-refugee propaganda. I'm talking about proof in the US, and so far, all I've gotten was "proof" from European nations. Unlike refugees being dangerous to USA, it's a fact that we're in more danger from white Christian Americans. Pretty sure a white, Trump-loving nationalist killed more Muslims at a mosque than USA refugees have killed refugees. Nothing Trump has done is even remotely for Americans.

Civil unrest is not terrorism. If Trump wanted to prevent terrorism, he'd be focusing on Americans and white people more than Muslims, and he wouldn't be encouraging civil unrest or trying to divide USA.

 

[kkck]

It´s not just about Reading it, it´s about understanding it and it´s visible that the man knows what he´s talking about when he talks about stuff related to that, he´s experienced in warfare a good veteran, all in all it was a good pick for the spot, it´s not like I knew what his competition was though, If they were better than him and you guys know something on them, I could change my views on Mattis.

And again, it's not much of a credential at all. Heck, at war school the book merely gets a 1 credit class and at warniversity you have to read the whole thing daily in under 30 minutes or you have to do 100 push-ups(I would know since I made both school up). and the book is literally free on amazon. Have you even read the thing? What you are suggesting is kinda like claiming to be a mathematician because you can do additions and subtractions.

 

[Philia]

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201702121050586681-dprk-testfire-ballistic-missile/#comments



North Korea tested ballistic missile capable of carrying nukes. And the missile had "Hello Trump" written on it.

So stronk Trump would put North Korea on check huh @Aonori ?

 

[kkck]

I found this bit particularly fun. All it is missing for it to be perfect is a subtitle saying "go ahead, make my day bitch"