American Politics

[Aonori]

It kinda does really. Politically correctness basically means exactly that you distance yourself from people like the KKK.

The opposition party is not happy about trump because trump does many bad things. You can call that triggered, but that is nothing more than saying 'they are upset about a bad thing happening'.
They should be. Everyone should be.

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Thankfully we do yes, and in both merkel's and Schulz's cases, the sanctions will be upheld.
One of the things to be proud of.

Hmm maybe it should also include having some distance, from shady bank investments along with many other things...

Because most of them are triggered and then there are the smart ones like Bernie that man up for the facts and face them properly, I dont believe all are triggered but those that cant man up to the lost, show signs of still being like that.

You do realize that a good number of the sanctions Europe imposes on Russia, they can just shave most of them off easily do you? Like with the portuguese example, all Russia did was change to Venezuela for the meat exports to Russia and the problem is fixed, while Europe loses profit, mainly the countries with bad economies already, only lose more with this, of course for Germany that has better economy, it´s not as bad as other countries in Europe (they are even the first to speak up about sanctions LMAO), I mean like to whom are the Portuguese now gonna export meat to? Russia switched to Venezuela (and among many other cases), for that, but it isnt guaranteed that other European countries can just switch export partners easily, in fact depending on a lot of factors the deals could get worse (like with distance), for both sides, so to go on around and do stuff like this, is taking risks and I dont like when people take too many risks (especially when with one sanction, done between two countries, you can risk a chain reaction in response).

 

[shionoro]

You do realize that a good number of the sanctions Europe imposes on Russia, they can just shave most of them off easily do you? Like with the portuguese example, all Russia did was change to Venezuela for the meat exports to Russia and the problem is fixed, while Europe loses profit, mainly the countries with bad economies already, only lose more with this, of course for Germany that has better economy, it´s not as bad as other countries in Europe (they are even the first to speak up about sanctions LMAO), I mean like to whom are the Portuguese now gonna export meat to? Russia switched to Venezuela (and among many other cases), for that, but it isnt guaranteed that other European countries can just switch export partners easily, in fact depending on a lot of factors the deals could get worse (like with distance), for both sides, so to go on around and do stuff like this, is taking risks and I dont like when people take too many risks.

Russia is severely hit by the sanctions. Why do you think they got it from protugal instead venezuela before? Because it was a better deal for them.
It is not a fixed problem, the russian economy got a huge blow by that, also the personal finances of a lot of high ranking russian executives.

Europe was not impacted severely.
In fact, you can measure that easily which country was affected how much by the sanctions.

But even if: What is your point? Just accepting that russia annexes parts of souvereign countries in complete disregard for any promises, lies about their troops in that country and destabilizes it further?

The sanctions are an important tool that actually impacted russia. Read this article for instance:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timdai...-russia-causing-angst-for-putin/#5475bfcf39e5

What you are asking for is basically just shying away from russia without doing anything. That is not a stance europe should take.

 

[kkck]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Welp, for those who might care here is an useful tool to track trump's approval. Has he started low and has no one to go but up? Or will he perform as most presidents and this is actually his high point?

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

So uh... the Moronic Cheeto Benito is accusing Former President Obama of Wiretapping Trump Tower before the election.

 

[shionoro]

Got can you not just impeach that guy by now?

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Unfortunately, I doubt he'll get impeached. He would have to do something incredibly damaging and stupid to get himself a ticket to impeachment.

 

[kkck]

Well, unfortunately being an orange jackass isn't an impeachable offense. And even then, I can't say I am not sure of how much of an improvement pence would be over trump so I am not to excited about this prospect either. It is too early to suggest trump should be impeached unfortunately, even his ties to russia would have to be proven beyond doubt to be deeper than they are for this to build up to something as big as an impeachment. For the time being a trump impeachment is simply a moot point.

As for the tapping, to be honest I could absolutely see US intelligence tapping trump over the russia stuff. What I cannot even fathom is obama being behind it. Of course, I am not suggesting trump actually got tapped, just that it is technically possible his words got him US intelligence attention.

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Besides, were it not for trump we would have never gotten to see the GOP being split over obamacare nor the joy of republican townhalls nowadays.

 

[M3J]

Trump doesn't care about the safety of Americans. He has been silent on white racists attacking minorities or even encouraged it, but he tweets furiously when a Muslim attacks, even if no one is killed. Dude will even resort to lying.

 

[Philia]

So uh... the Moronic Cheeto Benito is accusing Former President Obama of Wiretapping Trump Tower before the election.

Wiretapping phones is nothing new. America is an expert at it. Since the WW2 times. And I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually true. Although I think Trump has lots of phones tapped as well.

 

[kkck]

Wiretapping phones is nothing new. America is an expert at it. Since the WW2 times. And I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually true. Although I think Trump has lots of phones tapped as well.

Well, it would be quite weird if obama himself got involved in this. It would be pretty huge news overall. Considering trump's position it would be weird that if it did happen he couldn't provide actual evidence of this. Now, it does seem to be the case that US intelligence agencies requested permission for this but it was denied. Which is not something that could be reasonably held against obama. If anything it begs the question, what did they have on him that warranted such a thing? As for trump, he seems to have gotten his information from breitbart... He should just stick to making his comments based on fox news (god help us).

 

[shionoro]

Obama did in fact prepare a lot of traps for trump.
Obama got information on him as president that he couldnt share with the public, but he made sure to communicate those to differen tinsitutions of government so they could reasonably fight back against Trump.

Doing that is not illegal, and i am thankful obama did it.

What i do not think is that obama stepped into illegal territory for that. I would want evidence for that first, by now it is just a claim of trump.
And even if: Can trump reasonably complain after using such information that came out of dubious sources whenever it suited him?

Nah.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Wiretapping phones is nothing new. America is an expert at it. Since the WW2 times. And I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually true. Although I think Trump has lots of phones tapped as well.

As far as we know, Obama's spokesperson admit that the claim is wrong.
But even if that were the case, for Trump to freak out to the point of calling for a Congressional Probe really shows that he's hiding something.

 

[kkck]

As far as we know, Obama's spokesperson admit that the claim is wrong.
But even if that were the case, for Trump to freak out to the point of calling for a Congressional Probe really shows that he's hiding something.

That would be very weird. I mean, if he was hiding something in regards to this then calling for a congressional probe into him hypothetically being spied on could potentially draw attention to whatever it was that he was being spied for. That's not something trump would necessarily want. Trump being his own worst enemy in this case is entirely possible but I really want to believe the US president is not that stupid. It would make more sense that he at least thinks he did absolutely nothing wrong and is going all in for this investigation. Which likely will not yield any results. And he will then complain about it forever even in spite of his own highly partisan investigations concluding there is nothing here.

 

[M3J]

Well, it would be quite weird if obama himself got involved in this. It would be pretty huge news overall. Considering trump's position it would be weird that if it did happen he couldn't provide actual evidence of this. Now, it does seem to be the case that US intelligence agencies requested permission for this but it was denied. Which is not something that could be reasonably held against obama. If anything it begs the question, what did they have on him that warranted such a thing? As for trump, he seems to have gotten his information from breitbart... He should just stick to making his comments based on fox news (god help us).

Shocking that Trump would use a sourced biased towards him as a source of information, rather than a source that actually is more knowledgeable and not as full of shit.

 

[Philia]

Got can you not just impeach that guy by now?

You want Pence in charge?

 

[shionoro]

You want Pence in charge?

By now, quite honestly, I might take evil over crazy.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

So the Ban has been re-enacted.
Just gonna wait until ACLU shoots it down again.

 

[kkck]

By now, quite honestly, I might take evil over crazy.

I laughed at that considering bannon is one of the people behind trump. I guess it would be lesser evil over overt evil....

 

[shionoro]

I laughed at that considering bannon is one of the people behind trump. I guess it would be lesser evil over overt evil....

It is, sadly, an important question whether Trump's insanity is possibly even a foil to greater evils such as Bannon.

 

[kkck]

It is, sadly, an important question whether Trump's insanity is possibly even a foil to greater evils such as Bannon.

Well, it seems like the new executive order, while being different, does not particularly do anything that could plausibly convince judges that it is not actually a muslim ban and instead it is a practical toll that will help solve some other issue. Apparently trump said something along the lines of "we need the ban so that we have time to figure out new immigration guidelines on those countries". Which is stupid even by trump standards.... So yeah, his idiocy being a foil to bannon's evil is a very real thing.