American Politics

[James Rye]

Man, this feels like a repeat of Irak war. Bolton and Bibi doing their thing with fake news just now with Trump as President and not Bush and with nuclear weapons and not chemical ones.

 

[M3J]

So basically you're saying that the US shouldn't do anything about the attack in Douma because of our government's current immigration policy?

I'm aware of all of this, and I'm not on-board with Trump's immigration policy at all, but that doesn't really have much to do with a direct and precise military response to countries gassing their own citizens.

I also don't see how Trump doubling back on a shitload of things is much of a talking point at all, that's just second nature for him. It doesn't make the airstrikes wrong on that basis though IMO.

Yeah, what's the point of doing something like this if it makes the situation even worse and ends up taking more life, but we still refuse to give asylum to the refugees? It's kinda related to the countries gassing their own citizens, especially when they know their citizens aren't likely to be accepted in the West.

I am not sure this applies to the situation. From what has been reported at least, the bombings ended up being precision strikes to military related areas, presumably where the gas weapons were being made. In that specific regard, yeah, the bombings won't stop civilian casualties but... that's not relevant to an attack which targeted military facilities which produced weapons used against civilians.

The attack wasn't a "trump" thing. It was a coalition between USA, france and britain. It's not accurate nor honest to think of this simply in trump terms. And this has happened before, just last year syria was bombed by the US for something else (can't remember what, maybe civilian bombings or gas). Right now the only difference was that this time around trump was talking about backing off syria (iirc)... And of course there is always tension there because russia actively supports assad. But ultimately this sort of response could easily be expected from any US president, be it trump, obama or bush....

If the report is true, then that's good.

 

[xi0]

Yeah, what's the point of doing something like this if it makes the situation even worse and ends up taking more life, but we still refuse to give asylum to the refugees? It's kinda related to the countries gassing their own citizens, especially when they know their citizens aren't likely to be accepted in the West.

They were gassing them when Obama was in office, so that point is far from coherent.

 

[kkck]

So, is the US on a warpath to iran? Iran is substantially larger than irak, has several times its population and a real army. Along with more allies. On the off chance this does happen, it would make us look back fondly on the irak war as the good old days when existing adjectives were just about good enough to describe how moronic something is.

 

[James Rye]

Well, Bibi for one wants war. Would make sure that nobody throws him into prison for corruption.

 

[kkck]

Damn, so trump and his cronnies' iran strategy is to basically be really really tough. How do they expect to do any of the stuff they are saying without allies? With the US withdrawing from the iran deal and europe and other allies scrambling to keep it together the situation is more like the US and Europe are quite literally enemies on this issue. What allies would support new ultra omega super duper ultra instinct super saiyan tough sanctions on iran after the stunt trump just pulled here? Certainly not europe... china and russia are so far siding with europe on this issue.

 

[Newkerzy]

In other news, ABC just cancelled Roseanne. Pretty sure she was warned about this early on, but she just went and gutted herself.

Whoopsie.

 

[M3J]

Probably sacrificed her show to show how sensitive left cucks are.

 

[kkck]

Seriously? Trump backed out of the g7 joint statement? How petty and pathetic is that? If he had a problem with it why not say it at the meeting with everyone? What a coward.

 

[M3J]

Trying to isolate the US

 

[Reebi]

Pretty soon the US will turn into Gilead from Handmaid's Tale.

 

[SharkBait]

It is interesting the gov't leaders are swift to move on the separation of families at the borders issue, while gun control measures received a slower/nonexistent response. Though I guess time will tell on what sort of bandage will be applied and for what for border related concerns.

 

[M3J]

In case you guys wonder why I blame Trump and his supporters for dividing this country

 

[SharkBait]

In case you guys wonder why I blame Trump and his supporters for dividing this country

What a weird post, as Trump hasnt done anything of note. His white house has been in shambles, with only Sarah Sanders managing to make him not appear to be aloof and disillusioned, really she continues to be an admirable trooper managing to trudge the trenches, he should be grateful to her. Perhaps the only thing he has done in the best of interest for americans are the short term effects of tax cuts, but many dont really benefit most americans in the long term.

I guess the only thing of note at the end of the day, are his picks for the highest court in the land

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Its kind of sad that even in the current climate, the other party has failed to unite under one goal and seem to be divided amongst what they want. Poor Mr. Sanders and the winner from one of the new york races, facing an uphill battle among washington insiders.

 

[M3J]

Tax cuts benefit no one but businesses. But then again, I'm not a fan of how republicans seem to suck on businesses' teats and let them hurt the country.

 

[xi0]

Tax cuts benefit no one but businesses. But then again, I'm not a fan of how republicans seem to suck on businesses' teats and let them hurt the country.

Tax cuts that expire for everyone but businesses are bad... not all tax cuts.

 

[M3J]

But wouldn't less taxes hurt the infrastructure and everything if there's less in the treasury to pay for them?

But then, I believe in the RADICAL idea that we should increase taxes on the wealthy.

 

[Reebi]

But wouldn't less taxes hurt the infrastructure and everything if there's less in the treasury to pay for them?

But then, I believe in the RADICAL idea that we should increase taxes on the wealthy.

Yes, less tax revenue is bad for infrastructure and services.

In Canada, the wealthy are taxed higher but they find loopholes to work around it.Economists suggest increasing sales tax is better than income tax because it's based on consumption and wealthy people spend more.

 

[kkck]

The issue with a sales tax is that it would still hit poorer people harder. If you live on a budget a substantial portion, if not all, of what you spend will be subjected to a sales tax then your bottom line is hit pretty hard. On the other hand, yes, wealthier people spend more but since they are wealthy they don't necessarily spend all of their income every month. They get to save money or invest it and obviously none of that would pay a sales tax. Which I would argue is unfair for particularly poor people who are on a budget and do have to pay a sales tax over virtually everything they consume. I am not specifically against a sales tax BUT it is not something a country can solely rely on to get its much needed tax money to pay for streets, education, health care... Income tax makes sense, what is lacking here is simply governments which make honest attempts at tackling loopholes so that everyone pays what they should.

Besides, for a country to gather what it needs from a sales tax assuming there is no income tax then logically it would have to substantially raise the sales tax... Imagine being on a budget and having to pay several times the sales tax you already do. I don't see how a sales tax model only would be anything less than draconian on the poor.

 

[M3J]

Yes, less tax revenue is bad for infrastructure and services.

In Canada, the wealthy are taxed higher but they find loopholes to work around it.Economists suggest increasing sales tax is better than income tax because it's based on consumption and wealthy people spend more.

Are those economists dumb? All that does is hurt the poor. Better to increase income tax on the wealthy and take away tax cuts from them and most businesses.