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I think the intention was to make her look like she's either a liar, dumb, or lacking knowledge. And you mean politicians DO use their positions to make a profit, which has been happening for decades, if not centuries (Tammany Hall?). All in all though, I do agree with her, and that something needs to be done about this BS.
 

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Kudos and accolades to the president if he does declare this southern border national emergency to get his wall. It is commendable that he is so dedicated to fulfilling at least one of his campaign promises.
 

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Kudos and accolades to the president if he does declare this southern border national emergency to get his wall. It is commendable that he is so dedicated to fulfilling at least one of his campaign promises.
Except he isn't? It isn't the massive concrete structure he talked about, it's more of the same walls we have elsewhere. He won't be legally allowed to seize the property of American citizens in order to build it. Oh, and Mexico isn't paying for it. So... good for him for reallocating money from other stuff, I guess?
 

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Woot he did it. Finally my party gets something done. Faith restored.
 

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Accomplished what? Trump will be fought on this every step of the way. Even republicans in the government are cringing at trump declaring a national emergency over his made up immigration crisis. During the shutdown trump basically shot his own foot with a loser strategy which showed he doesn't understand how government works. It hurt him politically to the point where each deal he was offered got increasingly worst for him. And he had to take the worst deal he was offered. This national emergency is similar to that except trump just might have found a bazooka to shot his foot with. The national emergency is an power overreach which even republicans in government will have a lot of trouble defending AND likely won't be popular with democrats (obviously), independents and most republicans. Add to that that this will likely be fought all the way to the supreme court.
 

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Accomplished what? Trump will be fought on this every step of the way. Even republicans in the government are cringing at trump declaring a national emergency over his made up immigration crisis. During the shutdown trump basically shot his own foot with a loser strategy which showed he doesn't understand how government works. It hurt him politically to the point where each deal he was offered got increasingly worst for him. And he had to take the worst deal he was offered. This national emergency is similar to that except trump just might have found a bazooka to shot his foot with. The national emergency is an power overreach which even republicans in government will have a lot of trouble defending AND likely won't be popular with democrats (obviously), independents and most republicans. Add to that that this will likely be fought all the way to the supreme court.
Opposing him will just lead to the trump is bullied narrative he tells us.
 

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Opposing him will just lead to the trump is bullied narrative he tells us.
So....? It feels like your point is missing there. Are democrats supposed to cave because the most powerful baby in the world will cry them a whole river? To be fair, to win this one democrats likely have to do some work contrary to the shutdown scenario where they literally just had to sit there and do absolutely nothing but even this this should be a relatively easy win for them provided they make the point that using a national emergency as a powergrab to skip checks and balances is every bit as asinine as it sounds.
 

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So....? It feels like your point is missing there. Are democrats supposed to cave because the most powerful baby in the world will cry them a whole river? To be fair, to win this one democrats likely have to do some work contrary to the shutdown scenario where they literally just had to sit there and do absolutely nothing but even this this should be a relatively easy win for them provided they make the point that using a national emergency as a powergrab to skip checks and balances is every bit as asinine as it sounds.
But theres considerable proof that there is a humanitarian crisis of the tallest order there. Sure amount of crossings is decreased but it's still a lot. People are still found dead on the american side of the wilderness there and we blatantly see people crossing on live feeds all the time.

It isnt going to be easy to disprove that there is a need to secure the borders.

Democrats need to pursue measures to address other issues that affect ALL americans.
 

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Accomplished what? Trump will be fought on this every step of the way. Even republicans in the government are cringing at trump declaring a national emergency over his made up immigration crisis. During the shutdown trump basically shot his own foot with a loser strategy which showed he doesn't understand how government works. It hurt him politically to the point where each deal he was offered got increasingly worst for him. And he had to take the worst deal he was offered. This national emergency is similar to that except trump just might have found a bazooka to shot his foot with. The national emergency is an power overreach which even republicans in government will have a lot of trouble defending AND likely won't be popular with democrats (obviously), independents and most republicans. Add to that that this will likely be fought all the way to the supreme court.
So... you're saying Republicans will stand up to Trump then? Dude, they won't stand up to him on anything. Group loyalty is the bloodline of the Republican Party, and group loyalty is based on your fealty to President Fubar, as well as the animosity you demonstrate to people outside the group (i.e., "lazy blacks"). Failure to adhere to tribal loyalty only results in a one way ticket to getting kicked out of the party.
 
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So....? It feels like your point is missing there. Are democrats supposed to cave because the most powerful baby in the world will cry them a whole river? To be fair, to win this one democrats likely have to do some work contrary to the shutdown scenario where they literally just had to sit there and do absolutely nothing but even this this should be a relatively easy win for them provided they make the point that using a national emergency as a powergrab to skip checks and balances is every bit as asinine as it sounds.
Trump can make it look like he's being bullied for wanting to protect USA and garner sympathy that way, as well as opposition to the Democrats, which would help him in the next election, probably.
 

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So... you're saying Republicans will stand up to Trump then? Dude, they won't stand up to him on anything. Group loyalty is the bloodline of the Republican Party, and group loyalty is based on your fealty to President Fubar, as well as the animosity you demonstrate to people outside the group (i.e., "lazy blacks"). Failure to adhere to tribal loyalty only results in a one way ticket to getting kicked out of the party.
Straight up turning on him would be weird BUT one way or the other i think we can reasonably make the case that the republican party is not entirely behind him. mcconnel clearly has little love for the guy and mostly covers trump's ass so as to protect the republican agenda. its not quite loyalty to trump. The party seems kinda divided on how trump approaches international politics, certainly there are at least some republicans in government that dislike how trump has alienated US allies while simultaneously sucking up to king jon un an putin. And perhaps the most telling part is how many republicans refuse to work for him. Seriously, how many people did trump offer the chief of staff position before someone even considered it? This is a position where presidents usually get their pick meanwhile trump had to settle for some nobody because competent republicans won't work for him. And there have been several other cases where trump's first picks for positions have gone full "nope, I am not getting on this sinking ship".

heck, look at the previous shutdown... Mcconel held back votes at the senate to protect trump because shit would have hit the fan for trump if the bill passed. That doesn't sound like a 100% united republican party. If there is a battle over trump's emergency powers and the party's support for trump is only as strong as it was during the shutdown battle then trump is in serious trouble, he might actually not get the support he needs. It'd be different if trump had unwavering support from the party or if he had public opinion on his side but support from the party is just short of unwavering and public opinion is pretty much against this wall lunacy.
 

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The Republican party is united enough that they're not divided and are still to a degree backing Trump up rather than trying to impeach him or work so actively against him. Can't say that about the Democrats and the left.
 

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The Republican party is united enough that they're not divided and are still to a degree backing Trump up rather than trying to impeach him or work so actively against him. Can't say that about the Democrats and the left.
United enough that they are not divided...?

Whatever it is you tried to say there, it's kinda besides the point. If you have republican congressmen who are retiring because trump became president, republicans refusing to work take jobs in trump's administration and thus trump having to rely on nobodies with little to no qualifications for important positions, Macconel having to block senate votes on the off chance that bills get approved... then the republican party simply isn't quite entirely behind trump. Surely they protect him and everything but there are clearly some pretty big cracks there.

Democrats of course aren't even that unified but that is largely because the party is structured differently. Ideologically republicans are far more united than democrats, democrats are a party formed with multiple groups with different agendas.
 

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United enough that they are not divided...?

Whatever it is you tried to say there, it's kinda besides the point. If you have republican congressmen who are retiring because trump became president, republicans refusing to work take jobs in trump's administration and thus trump having to rely on nobodies with little to no qualifications for important positions, Macconel having to block senate votes on the off chance that bills get approved... then the republican party simply isn't quite entirely behind trump. Surely they protect him and everything but there are clearly some pretty big cracks there.

Democrats of course aren't even that unified but that is largely because the party is structured differently. Ideologically republicans are far more united than democrats, democrats are a party formed with multiple groups with different agendas.
United enough that they won't work against each other and cost votes or loss of support. While they're having issues with Trump, they're still not actively trying to stop Trump, and that's what I mean by united enough. McConnell is protecting Trump, and they've all protected Kavanaugh. If a Democratic politician got the same accusation that Kavanaugh did, Democrats would be calling upon him to resign or something. That's what I mean by united enough, especially behind Trump.

Yes, and that's where republicans have all the advantage, and why Trump is safe enough.
 

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A million people running for the democratic nomination, this is going to be a mess. I dont see how they can unite.


 

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So..... What's up with the Mueller investigation? I've been reading about the investigation here and there, but it doesn't seem like there's anything 100% concrete on Trump's involvement.....yet, at least. I know for sure that Mueller's working his way up the ladder like the way he's handled mob bosses before, but the longer this goes on, the more Mueller might be at a disadvantage, because Drumpf is going to take every chance he gets to stop him.

And this is concerning, because it's clear that he's going to try and block him using any means. Take Barr's appointment, for example, who's at best sketchy, or at worse sucking on Drumpf's dick like Lewinsky sucked on Bill's.

Heck, are we even closer to a conclusion than people think? Or does Mueller have a Trump card up his sleeve (pardon the pun) to counter whatever Drumpf has planned?
 

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So..... What's up with the Mueller investigation? I've been reading about the investigation here and there, but it doesn't seem like there's anything 100% concrete on Trump's involvement.....yet, at least. I know for sure that Mueller's working his way up the ladder like the way he's handled mob bosses before, but the longer this goes on, the more Mueller might be at a disadvantage, because Drumpf is going to take every chance he gets to stop him.

And this is concerning, because it's clear that he's going to try and block him using any means. Take Barr's appointment, for example, who's at best sketchy, or at worse sucking on Drumpf's dick like Lewinsky sucked on Bill's.

Heck, are we even closer to a conclusion than people think? Or does Mueller have a Trump card up his sleeve (pardon the pun) to counter whatever Drumpf has planned?
Muller hasn't actually released anything on it. Most of it is just reporting on whichever tiny move muller makes any given day. Muller is basically silent on what evidence he has. And even then, 2 years isn't that long AND muller has already gotten to indictments and guilty pleas. If the investigation is actually near its end then it actually went by rather quickly. But in reality we simply have no way of knowing at which stage the investigation is in since muller hasn't said and he has no reason whatsoever to tell anyone either.
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Ah, just read some reports that muller might present his findings to the AG next week. Would that specifically mean the investigation is over? If it does then the investigation was carried out surprisingly quickly regardless of what it may or not have found.
 

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Muller hasn't actually released anything on it. Most of it is just reporting on whichever tiny move muller makes any given day. Muller is basically silent on what evidence he has. And even then, 2 years isn't that long AND muller has already gotten to indictments and guilty pleas. If the investigation is actually near its end then it actually went by rather quickly. But in reality we simply have no way of knowing at which stage the investigation is in since muller hasn't said and he has no reason whatsoever to tell anyone either.
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Ah, just read some reports that muller might present his findings to the AG next week. Would that specifically mean the investigation is over? If it does then the investigation was carried out surprisingly quickly regardless of what it may or not have found.
What concerns me is Barr's ambivalent responses to questions about the investigation during his Senate hearing. At best, I see someone who's a textbook AG in terms of his approach to the law. At worse, like I said, someone who's got Drumpf's dick in his mouth.

Personally speaking, I'm hedging on his position on whether he's truly neutral on the issue.
 

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What concerns me is Barr's ambivalent responses to questions about the investigation during his Senate hearing. At best, I see someone who's a textbook AG in terms of his approach to the law. At worse, like I said, someone who's got Drumpf's dick in his mouth.

Personally speaking, I'm hedging on his position on whether he's truly neutral on the issue.
It's hard to say, I don't really know anything about barr. At a minimum he will be under a microscope so anything even slightly suspicious would cause a fair bit of outrage. And I am inclined to thinking that IF there is anything serious in the report it would take a particularly stupid republican to even try to cover for trump. And while there might be people that would try that for trump, nothing i've read so far would suggest barr would be one. And also worth noting, while the end of the investigation does seem probable, I don't think its certain. At least based on my current understanding of the situation.

Anyways, given how things have played out so far, my guess would be that muller did not find any evidence that trump himself colluded: Here are a few possibilities:

- muller found no evidence that trump colluded but there are some scathing remarks about how trump surrounded himself by people with connections to the russian government either out of sheer incompetence or intentionally (but no evidence of direct trump collaboration).

- muller goes for obstruction of justice charges. Trump did admit he fired comey due to the russia investigation. On national tv. In saner and more honest times that would have warranted at least starting impeachment proceedings.... Add to that a number of other things trump has done to interfere with the investigations. Trump possibly working with manafort and agreeing on a pardon also appears to be clear obstruction of justice. this would be one of the more interesting things to look forward to.

- Muller got into trump's finances. reporting around this is murky so I am not sure if muller ever got to this. it'd make sense at least considering trump never released his tax returns. And of course the easiest way to spot corruption is to follow the money.

- Donald jr might come up again regarding that meeting...

I do think there will be more serious stuff with people surrounding trump in general. most of the impeachments and guilty pleas so far involve people lying about russian contacts or about other stuff... It'd be fairly strange at a minimum that there are so many people around trump that would risk perjury without there being more going on. It's not only indictments, there are guilty pleas and agreeing to collaborate with the investigation.
 

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GOP accusing Cohen for testifying out of scorn is just asinine (am I using it right?). Because quite frankly, testifying out of scorn is still better than any other reason imo. On the other hand, Cohen potentially lying about begging for a WH job is pretty stupid though. I can definitely see Muller rolling his eyeballs all the way back with that one. That said, the hearing so far doesn't bring anything new except reaffirming most points that have already been revealed. Cohen stripping Stone naked is probably the only new thing.
 
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