American Politics

[SonOfDaws]

Nobody here has anything to say about Philip Haney it seems

 

[xi0]

Nobody here has anything to say about Philip Haney it seems

I guess we're supposed to speculate wildly and say he's the new Vince Foster? Not sure what you're getting at.

 

[SonOfDaws]

I guess we're supposed to speculate wildly and say he's the new Vince Foster? Not sure what you're getting at.

Unfortunately, there's been quite a few "suicides" and "mistakes."

Hell, we're not even a year away from Epstein's "suicide" and that whole thing looked like subpar run through a level in a Hitman game.

There's Seth Rich

Antonin Scalia

There's only so many bodies that can pile up around a person before it starts looks suspicious.


Even if you would like to completely disregard and all those and the other questionable single death incidents surrounding the same people (life's around us is around complicated enough without political messiness), there's still:

- The DNC's rigging of the 2016 primaries resulting the former DNC head's resignation, among other things.

- paying hundreds of millions to Iran

- Paying for policy via the Clinton Foundation

- Keeping and wiping private communication servers

- and a classic example, Benghazi

Bare in mind, a lot of this is just at the top of my head and within the last few years

I understand this stuff is hard to look into and sometimes harder to believe is something that can even occur in our society, especially when it involves people you side with as I once did with Obama and Clinton. However, there comes a point when there's too many of the same alarms going off for a person to ignore.

 

[xi0]

Bare in mind, a lot of this is just at the top of my head and within the last few years

Yeah and they also all happen to be examples labeled as a "liberal conspiracy" which is why it's harder to take seriously. The more compelling conspiracies tend to be ones that sort of transcend political biases.

I've yet to see much compelling evidence regarding Seth Rich. He worked for the DNC and was murdered, that's literally the entire premise for that conspiracy. That and political hacks like Roger Stone and people at Fox News exploiting his death for political purposes. I haven't seen anything to suggest he intended to be some sort of whistleblower, the guy worked on Voters Rights issues for them IIRC. In fact there was more than enough evidence to suggest that the entire conspiracy was pushed by Russian agents to deflect blame for the DNC hack. The dude's own family is suing Fox News for the entire ordeal. I find it hard to believe that a family would dismiss convincing evidence suggesting foul play and waste time and money suing a news outlet if there was something there.

Not really sure what the suggestion is with Scalia. The guy was 80 years old and had health problems. Are they saying that democrats secretly murdered Scalia without being aware that McConnell could block any Obama nomination that wasn't another conservative? Hence the Merrick Garland fiasco. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[SonOfDaws]

Didn't realize it had been so long since I posted on here.

Yeah and they also all happen to be examples labeled as a "liberal conspiracy" which is why it's harder to take seriously. The more compelling conspiracies tend to be ones that sort of transcend political biases.

I've yet to see much compelling evidence regarding Seth Rich. He worked for the DNC and was murdered, that's literally the entire premise for that conspiracy. That and political hacks like Roger Stone and people at Fox News exploiting his death for political purposes. I haven't seen anything to suggest he intended to be some sort of whistleblower, the guy worked on Voters Rights issues for them IIRC. In fact there was more than enough evidence to suggest that the entire conspiracy was pushed by Russian agents to deflect blame for the DNC hack. The dude's own family is suing Fox News for the entire ordeal. I find it hard to believe that a family would dismiss convincing evidence suggesting foul play and waste time and money suing a news outlet if there was something there.

Not really sure what the suggestion is with Scalia. The guy was 80 years old and had health problems. Are they saying that democrats secretly murdered Scalia without being aware that McConnell could block any Obama nomination that wasn't another conservative? Hence the Merrick Garland fiasco. It just doesn't make any sense.

To some degree, I get the apprehension regarding things labeled like that and political conspiracies in general, but that really just boils down to ad hominem. A person can apply any label they want to anything they choose and it doesn't make the content any more or less valid. Likewise, something involving political figures doesn't inherently make the situation simpler and the figures in it more trustworthy: I'd say the opposite is typically more true. Acknowledging possible ideological prejudices is a wise thing to do since such tribalism is inevitable, but completely disregarding anothers thoughts because of it seems unwise.

To demonstrate a point, let's throw out those two stories you criticized for a moment: That still leaves 5 out of 7 of those questionable incidents surrounding those same people, the Clintons and those around them.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 4, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 4, 2020 ---

Didn't realize it had been so long since I posted on here.

Yeah and they also all happen to be examples labeled as a "liberal conspiracy" which is why it's harder to take seriously. The more compelling conspiracies tend to be ones that sort of transcend political biases.

I've yet to see much compelling evidence regarding Seth Rich. He worked for the DNC and was murdered, that's literally the entire premise for that conspiracy. That and political hacks like Roger Stone and people at Fox News exploiting his death for political purposes. I haven't seen anything to suggest he intended to be some sort of whistleblower, the guy worked on Voters Rights issues for them IIRC. In fact there was more than enough evidence to suggest that the entire conspiracy was pushed by Russian agents to deflect blame for the DNC hack. The dude's own family is suing Fox News for the entire ordeal. I find it hard to believe that a family would dismiss convincing evidence suggesting foul play and waste time and money suing a news outlet if there was something there.

Not really sure what the suggestion is with Scalia. The guy was 80 years old and had health problems. Are they saying that democrats secretly murdered Scalia without being aware that McConnell could block any Obama nomination that wasn't another conservative? Hence the Merrick Garland fiasco. It just doesn't make any sense.

To some degree, I get the apprehension regarding things labeled like that and political conspiracies in general, but that really just boils down to ad hominem. A person can apply any label they want to anything they choose and it doesn't make the content any more or less valid. Likewise, something involving political figures doesn't inherently make the situation simpler and the figures in it more trustworthy: I'd say the opposite is typically more true. Acknowledging possible ideological prejudices is a wise thing to do since such tribalism is inevitable, but completely disregarding anothers thoughts because of it seems unwise.

To demonstrate a point, let's throw out those two stories you criticized for a moment: That still leaves 5 out of 7 of those questionable incidents surrounding those same people, the Clintons and those around them.

 

[xi0]

The issue for me with conspiracies in general is that those that tend to believe in them give the supposed participants far too much credit. They habitually and grossly underestimate the level of incompetence and negligence that most people are capable of. It's perfectly possible to dislike and be critical of the Clintons even as a Democrat, without constructing some vast conspiracy to discredit them. Dollar diplomacy isn't some kind of revelation either.

 

[M3J]

Because, your point in saying something like that is being inflammatory and not much else. You just admitted it yourself that it's bait.

No I didn't. I meant I put in "some" so you wouldn't get butthurt and accuse me of generalizing even though I think a lot of them are guilty. I'm not sure how it's inflammatory when there's actual stories and proof out there, in which one includes Trump pardoning a killer.

 

[xi0]

No I didn't. I meant I put in "some" so you wouldn't get butthurt and accuse me of generalizing even though I think a lot of them are guilty. I'm not sure how it's inflammatory when there's actual stories and proof out there, in which one includes Trump pardoning a killer.

Sigh... because you're making blanket statements and treating it like it's the norm when no evidence suggests this is the case. Thanks for worrying about my butt's feelings though.

 

[Sanity Check]

Give me opinions on this plz.

 

[z.5]

Give me opinions on this plz

The video could do with some more random obnoxious blaring noises - I don't think there were quite enough

It really wouldn't be the first time that the USA would've elected a guy who speaks like they've recently woken up from a coma - if Biden does win the democratic race, any debates between him and Trump will be pure gold (assuming that the whole race doesn't take place over Twitter)

 

[GrySun]

Thoughts on Biden being the democrats‘ nominee? If it happens.

 

[xi0]

I think it's pretty disappointing. I was really quite disappointed with Warren staying in the race despite her prospects being so abysmal that she placed third in her home state. The campaign had to know things weren't going well prior to that. I feel like Biden wouldn't have beaten Sanders in several states if she had rallied her supporters behind him. And now with her dropping out she's not even doing that, which is rather puzzling.

I don't dislike Biden personally, and I'll happily vote for him over Trump, but he represents far too much of the status quo, the exact thing that got Trump elected in the first place. Hard to be optimistic for things changing for the better in this country when the person you vote for is bought and paid for by corporations.

 

[kkck]

Warren ruined her campaign fairly early on unfortunately. Moved away from her progressive position, lost whatever enthusiasm she had going for her... Crackpot theory: She will endorse biden and soon enough she will be running as his VP. Biden has a lot of issues with younger voters in general and could seriously benefit from running with someone with at least some progressive credentials. Add to that, warren being fairly palatable to democrats at large, except billionaires... Of course, democrats could double down on repeating 2016 and select some other corporate hack to run with biden thus ensuring the only thing democrats run on is on removing trump from office and thus ensuring trump gets reelected.

 

[xi0]

Warren might bring more female voters to the table as a running mate, but I'm not sure what Biden's numbers with women are currently.

Warren's campaign had some unforced errors IMO. She acquiesced to the establishment and didn't run against Clinton in 2016, therefore giving up the progressive mantle to Sanders and I think his movement proved it wasn't going anywhere, especially due to how poorly Clinton's run went. Then you have the whole fake controversy between her and Sanders, and her supporters going out of their way to shit all over Bernie's campaign. It just looked like a corporate-backed hitjob to me, attacking a candidate not based on his platform but on the actions of some of his moron supporters. It also coincided with it becoming obvious she wasn't getting the sort of progressive support she was counting on either. Coincidentally (or not), her total evisceration of Bloomberg in the debate only served to help Biden as well.

 

[M3J]

Sigh... because you're making blanket statements and treating it like it's the norm when no evidence suggests this is the case. Thanks for worrying about my butt's feelings though.

No I'm not. You're the one who thinks I do. And evidence does suggest that there are plenty of dubious soldiers.

The video could do with some more random obnoxious blaring noises - I don't think there were quite enough

It really wouldn't be the first time that the USA would've elected a guy who speaks like they've recently woken up from a coma - if Biden does win the democratic race, any debates between him and Trump will be pure gold (assuming that the whole race doesn't take place over Twitter)

Right now on Twitter it's Bloomberg vs. Trump using Star Wars is amusing. What's sad is that long time ago I'd have been amazed at the stupidity and childishness of Trump, but now I'm whatever. It'd probably be hilarious to see Biden vs. Trump on Twitter... it's not like other countries can think any worse of us given Trump has destroyed our reputation.

Thoughts on Biden being the democrats‘ nominee? If it happens.

Shitty and horrible idea, as he's too moderate and likely to compromise with republicans, among other stuff.

Warren might bring more female voters to the table as a running mate, but I'm not sure what Biden's numbers with women are currently.

Warren doesn't need to be a running mate, many of her supporters are supporting Biden now because of how Bernie supporters have attacked them and Warren. It's sad and annoying and shows they were supporting her because she was a woman, not because of her policies, as Bernie's policies are closer to hers than Biden's. Though I suppose she could get even more supporters to join Biden if she did become his running mate or endorsed him, but the latter would make no sense at all unless she isn't as left as she claims to be.

 

[kkck]

Warren might bring more female voters to the table as a running mate, but I'm not sure what Biden's numbers with women are currently.

Warren's campaign had some unforced errors IMO. She acquiesced to the establishment and didn't run against Clinton in 2016, therefore giving up the progressive mantle to Sanders and I think his movement proved it wasn't going anywhere, especially due to how poorly Clinton's run went. Then you have the whole fake controversy between her and Sanders, and her supporters going out of their way to shit all over Bernie's campaign. It just looked like a corporate-backed hitjob to me, attacking a candidate not based on his platform but on the actions of some of his moron supporters. It also coincided with it becoming obvious she wasn't getting the sort of progressive support she was counting on either. Coincidentally (or not), her total evisceration of Bloomberg in the debate only served to help Biden as well.

I haven't read anything about how well biden does with women so I suppose he probably does ok. He certainly has some behavior which is to be frowned upon (though mostly because the stuff he did stopped being acceptable). That would be another front where warren won't hurt at least.

I didn't watch the debates so I am not sure on what you mean about warren and it helping biden. Didn't warren poll a little better after debates?

 

[xi0]

I haven't read anything about how well biden does with women so I suppose he probably does ok. He certainly has some behavior which is to be frowned upon (though mostly because the stuff he did stopped being acceptable). That would be another front where warren won't hurt at least.

I didn't watch the debates so I am not sure on what you mean about warren and it helping biden. Didn't warren poll a little better after debates?

Warren did really well in the debates IMO, not sure if the latest ones had much effect on her polling though. Well, I'm saying Bloomberg basically allowed himself to be made a fool of and didn't come off well when confronted by Warren on a lot of things. She basically made it her mission (and rightfully so) to chew Bloomberg out wherever possible. And since he dropped out and endorsed Biden after, her performance ended up helping Biden more than it did her.

 

[M3J]

Florida Woman Changed Voters’ Party Affiliations, Officials Say (Published 2020)

Cheryl A. Hall falsified 10 registration forms, at least six of which enrolled Democratic and independent voters as Republicans, said the authorities, who are eyeing an additional 109 forms.

www.nytimes.com

el oh el, the irony

 

[kkck]

So... is bernie done for? The debate seemed like his last hope but it doesn't seem like it did him any favors.

 

[M3J]

Looks like it. Even Democrats hate making this country better.