American Politics

[SharkBait]

what in the world is trump even saying. Deploying thousands and thousands of armed infantry into the streets of DC, what?

 

[Ramen]

what in the world is trump even saying. Deploying thousands and thousands of armed infantry into the streets of DC, what?

Civil war confirmed.

 

[xi0]

Ah, so he teargassed the crowd so he could have a photo OP. Our president used chemical weapons on civilians so he could take selfies for Jesus.

 

[M3J]

I'm not a believer in the whole idea of "Lesser of two evils" but this situation really makes me want Joe Biden as the next president.

Politics is always lesser of the two evils, whether you like it or not. This is specially true in a two party system. There is no 3rd party. Look at the 3rd party candidates running right now,
Jesse Ventura, nominee for the green party
Justin Amash, nominee for the libertarian party....

Neither of these guys have the track record that'll warrant a majority vote. Jesse Ventura atleast was successfully the governer of Minnesota atleast and is a public personality, and probably make a great opponent to Trump. But 90% of the people will not align themselves with the green party to vote. And even if they do, he'll have no senate or congress support to back them up.

There is no perfect candidate, its Trump or Biden and that's reality.

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The same can be argued about left wingers as well..... i know quite a lot of people who align themselves to the right and back up everything with facts, alhtough they wouldn't vote for Trump... The main complain people have about the left is that they talk in terms of emotions and feelings, which is contrary to facts in many arguments as well....

Anyways, Trump gives us enough reasons to prove he is racist, ego maniacal, bigoted and ignorant.... I've never been enraged as much as now, considering how horribly he is treating this issue.

Honestly speaking, Bush was a million times better, he did a decent job of not making the 9/11 a racial issue. He did have shortcomings and plenty as well, but atleast he was shamelessly blatant about it.

Yeah, but most, if not all, left wingers I know tend to fact check even from their own sources. They also back up what they say whereas most people on the right or far right use bad video edits.

He's proven that during his campaign, it's why he won the presidency. It's why so many people oppose him so strongly.. it's not because he's a republican like his supporters would have you believe.

Bush is still a piece of shit though. He was a better leader, but that's about it.

 

[xi0]

what in the world is trump even saying. Deploying thousands and thousands of armed infantry into the streets of DC, what?

He's the executive of DC, so he's only legally able to do it there. The military can't be deployed in other states unless Governors authorize it.

 

[Ramen]

Yeah, but most, if not all, left wingers I know tend to fact check even from their own sources. They also back up what they say whereas most people on the right or far right use bad video edits.

He's proven that during his campaign, it's why he won the presidency. It's why so many people oppose him so strongly.. it's not because he's a republican like his supporters would have you believe.

Bush is still a piece of shit though. He was a better leader, but that's about it.

Problem with most people who say they're left wing is that they're a bunch of libs who've never reas left wing theory.

 

[SonOfDaws]

I think it's kind of funny how people can look at the same exact thing and draw completely opposing conclusions from it.

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If there's an absolute in a view that's not an axiom of life, then chances are, some re-calibration is in order.

 

[xi0]

If there's an absolute in a view that's not an axiom of life, then chances are, some re-calibration is in order.

Isn't this just navel-gazing? Even if you disagree with BLM and any and all protests going on right now, is Trump handling this in a way that it needs to be handled?

 

[SharkBait]

Ah, so he teargassed the crowd so he could have a photo OP. Our president used chemical weapons on civilians so he could take selfies for Jesus.

he always looks so weird holding up a bible, and like, one would think he would have prayed in front of the church or something, not just selfies for some reason.

 

[SonOfDaws]

Isn't this just navel-gazing? Even if you disagree with BLM and any and all protests going on right now, is Trump handling this in a way that it needs to be handled?

Things are rarely clear cut.

Some protesting can be a net positive: The same cannot be said about shortsighted, ideologically-possessed rioting. Likewise, everyone has made some good and bad calls. I'm not talking about any specific actions or events. These are just principles.

 

[xi0]

he always looks so weird holding up a bible, and like, one would think he would have prayed in front of the church or something, not just selfies for some reason.

Yeah he held it like it was burning him

Things are rarely clear cut.

Some protesting can be a net positive: The same cannot be said about shortsighted, ideologically-possessed rioting. Likewise, everyone has made some good and bad calls. I'm not talking about any specific actions or events. These are just principles.

Yes, things are nuanced. Cops beating the fuck out of peaceful protesters while some people loot and destroy property unopposed isn't. Neither is the President using Military Police to teargas US citizens so he can take a picture in front of a church he never attends.

 

[M3J]

Problem with most people who say they're left wing is that they're a bunch of libs who've never reas left wing theory.

What is left-wing theory? And I feel attacked here, as it probably applies to me as well.

Things are rarely clear cut.

Some protesting can be a net positive: The same cannot be said about shortsighted, ideologically-possessed rioting. Likewise, everyone has made some good and bad calls. I'm not talking about any specific actions or events. These are just principles.

I'm sure if the cops didn't attack the protesters, we wouldn't see riots, just some attempts of anarchy from mostly white people until they're stopped by the protesters. One person was trying to destroy stuff, but he was stopped by the protesters and handed to the cops.



According to Fox News, Chauvin and his wife are republicans.

 

[SonOfDaws]

Yeah he held it like it was burning him



Yes, things are nuanced. Cops beating the fuck out of peaceful protesters while some people loot and destroy property unopposed isn't. Neither is the President using Military Police to teargas US citizens so he can take a picture in front of a church he never attends.

In order to take action, at some point, a person has to have faith that any remaining unanalyzed nuances won't present a catastrophic error. However, as far as humanity is concerned, nuance is never absent.

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What is left-wing theory? And I feel attacked here, as it probably applies to me as well.


I'm sure if the cops didn't attack the protesters, we wouldn't see riots, just some attempts of anarchy from mostly white people until they're stopped by the protesters. One person was trying to destroy stuff, but he was stopped by the protesters and handed to the cops.



According to Fox News, Chauvin and his wife are republicans.

There's definitely a lot good protesting and protesters going out, but unfortunately, a lot of the anarchy is being started by malicious parties and keep alive for far longer by what seem to be random people who just decided to take advantage of the situations.

 

[M3J]

Yes, and as I said, the anarchist-wannabe seem to be mostly white people. BLM protesters are getting blamed so their movement can be undermined and look violent.

If the media actually portrayed things fairly, then I'm sure BLM supporters would have more support.

 

[SharkBait]

Theyre giving skateboarders a bad name

 

[xi0]

"Hey I know that police officers killed George Floyd, but have you considered that the rioters share just as much blame for his death?"

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This is the exact same shit misdirection that has been going on for days

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This guy runs the third largest police department in the country btw

 

[SharkBait]

"Hey I know that police officers killed George Floyd, but have you considered that the rioters share just as much blame for his death?"

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This is the exact same shit misdirection that has been going on for days

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This guy runs the third largest police department in the country btw

i've found when people think its just because their "mourning the loss of mr. floyd" that they are missing the larger reason why people are so angry, and he seems to miss the point. If "police" weren't bad and did what they did for the umpteenth time, we wouldn't be in a situation where rioters and looters have found situations to incur financial damage

also hasnt

LAPD has had recent issues https://www.latimes.com/california/...ent-lapd-arrest-boyle-heights-internal-review
so I can only hope he understands were anger on his home turf comes from

 

[xi0]

i've found when people think its just because their "mourning the loss of mr. floyd" that they are missing the larger reason why people are so angry, and he seems to miss the point. If "police" weren't bad and did what they did for the umpteenth time, we wouldn't be in a situation where rioters and looters have found situations to incur financial damage

also hasnt

LAPD has had recent issues https://www.latimes.com/california/...ent-lapd-arrest-boyle-heights-internal-review
so I can only hope he understands were anger on his home turf comes from

LAPD's actions in relation to Rodney King is the last time the Insurrection Act of 1807 was invoked, so yeah.

 

[SharkBait]

The city literally a block away from me. Awful.

BTW only thing they had there was the door to Kohl's had its glass broken.

 

[Ramen]

What is left-wing theory? And I feel attacked here, as it probably applies to me as well.


I'm sure if the cops didn't attack the protesters, we wouldn't see riots, just some attempts of anarchy from mostly white people until they're stopped by the protesters. One person was trying to destroy stuff, but he was stopped by the protesters and handed to the cops.



According to Fox News, Chauvin and his wife are republicans.

Left wing theory is exactly what it sounds like. All left wing ideologies are derived from Anarchism/Marxism/Socialism. If you haven't read literature from these schools of thought, don't call yourself one. For example, if you've never read Lenin or Marx, don't call yourself a Marxist-Leninist. If you've never Proudhon or Koroptokin, don't call yourself a left-wing anarchist.


These college kids nowadays and a lot of the people associating with left-wing schools of thought are only doing it because they think it's trendy.

Vice-Versa, if you've never read Mises, or Friedman or any of the major Capitalists, don't associate yourself with the free market.

Most people think you can read a Wikipedia article and that's it. I'm not accusing you of this, it's just general.