I'm not logically opposed to eliminating funding for the most problematic departments. There's a lot of resources involved with police reform, but I'm not very educated on it specifically. I do think getting rid of them completely without any structure to replace it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater though.
They deserve a shot at the system. If they aren't redeemable they won't rehabilitate.
Civil disobedience is pretty fundamental to helping people fight bigotry because, surprise surprise, the laws in the US are typically designed around protecting white supremacy.
I understand the effectiveness of systems like the one Cambridge Analytica built to ramp up divisiveness among people. However, the fact that weapons like that are necessary to radicalize people should be proof enough that evil is learned, it isn't inherent.
We already talked about people from places of power/authority being the corrupt ones in cases where stuff like "lord of the flies" proves to be true. The cops are the second highest rung on that ladder (under the rich). Of course they're corrupt and evil, especially so when they can do so much evil and face no consequence.
Lots of people have died and will die to secure the rights of oppressed groups. There have been attempted genocides, there have been slaughters, entire cities have burned at the hands of our governments either orders, or negligence. This isn't anything new. You can live under a boot, or you can fight. I personally think there are better ways to clean boots than by licking them.
Well I said that he should bring proof for his statement (which she did then) and not start the blame game without it.
Yeah i can't deny it but this is not the problem. I give you an example about what is my problem with that kind argumentation:
Germany
This also apply to other countries still the problem with police brutality is that it is not such a present topic there.
This should be just a tactic in areas where a war can always break out and still in a country like the US the police need to behave like that what could be the reasons? Maybe that the US civilians own more guns alone then the civilians from the countries with the second to 25 most guns.
That's a good point there, and I didn't think of that. Like, at least get something set up before getting rid of police.
I honestly for the most part disagree because... they chose to rape, they chose to murder, they chose to prey on kids. Just something about those that shouldn't let them free on the streets, other than murder out of self-defense.
I agree. I'm not saying anything against civil disobedience, and I think the government and cops are lucky the protesters aren't returning the violence, for now.
Debatable. I did read about how our ancestors (back when there were more than one species of homo sapiens or something) were pretty violent and could have killed our cousin species.
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Defund police proponents look at those municipalities where police funding accounts for significant chunks of a municipalities budget (in the extreme, more than half). Considering FBI has services in many cities, towns, and regions, AND State Police are a thing, then it doesn't seem there is must justification for needing Large municipal police budgets considering they do not have to cover the roles those services cover. Oddly, in places with these large police budgets, there are consistent shortfalls in staffing and budgets of services essential to police (Rape Crime labs need expanding, so much backlog and not even staff, DNA sequencing and identification (so much backlog not enough investigators, tons of backlog), Coroner's Office (tons of backlog, not enough staffing, wages are low, long hours) making it even more questionable and senseless for police accounting for more than 50% of an entire municipalities budget.
So do I. It's not really about vengeance as it is about keeping them away from others/preventing more victims.
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It's basically a proven fact that the prison system hyper increases rates of recidivism. Saying "well, their only victims in prison are other inmates" is silly when you have the possibility of reforming and rehabilitating them so that, no matter what environment, there are no more victims.
This reads rather weird to me. On the one hand, his father supported the civil rights movement so it's interesting to maybe see him waking up to reality. On the other hand, he acted like a complete coward in regard to Trump until this past year... so idk
Again, we agree on this. Prisons should be rehabilitiation centers, if anything, not punishment centers where inmates are basically slaves working at 1/4 the minimum wage. However, how do you change serial killers or sexual assaulters?
I know people who commit sexual assault can be redeemed. I've met plenty of guys who are haunted by their past actions, and plenty more who are working through the realization that coerced consent isn't consent. It's a process on that end.
Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush aren't surprising.
"Protesters" lit a church historical significant to the US presidents only hours prior and, without a proper and particularly difficult investigation, it's very difficult to tell who in a large group is peaceful and who's just pretending to be for the moment. While there's debate to be had about the particular actions taken, taking no action would look incredibly weak which is particularly bad for a leader or authority. An analogy, when a teacher gets hit in the back of the head while they're facing the board and nobody confesses or gets the finger pointed at them, then the teacher can either do nothing in which case worse will surely come, guess who did it (a risk), investigate it later and hope more incidents don't follow before blame can be laid, or they can simply punish the whole class for either being guilty or being complacent with the act. The nuance is how an authority chooses to handle blatant disrespect and disregard for their authority.