American Politics

[hokageji]

why is georgia concerned about immigrants.. they dont share a border with another nation, and its georgia, who would wanna go there.

 

[kkck]

why?! cant see how hunting immigrants in the rio grande affects your state mr gov.

Dang, that's Ted Cruz levels of pathetic.

 

[M3J]

It's not a dumb move if you think about it from a conservative voter's point of view, it makes complete sense. I think he's trying to make sure more conservatives believe in and vote for him and/or a republican if he's not running for governor again. Conservative voters are often idiots so it's fairly easy enough for a bigot like him to garner support.

 

[SharkBait]

It's not a dumb move if you think about it from a conservative voter's point of view, it makes complete sense. I think he's trying to make sure more conservatives believe in and vote for him and/or a republican if he's not running for governor again. Conservative voters are often idiots so it's fairly easy enough for a bigot like him to garner support.

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but hes just so uninteresting that i cant think he'd do better than Louisiana's Jindal did when he ran...

 

[M3J]

Jindal is just too dull, while Kemp does have something, and he has a pulse on what conservatives want and looks like a true conservative. I think it'll help him get the edge, especially with the messages republicans are spreading all over the country about the election, and the lies about Biden.

 

[xi0]

 

[Sanity Check]

Why New York and California are losing people, power to Texas and Florida

Where the people go, political power follows.

nypost.com

This says democrats are losing.

Fake news?

What do ppl think about this?

why is georgia concerned about immigrants.. they dont share a border with another nation, and its georgia, who would wanna go there.

States like arizona and georgia with a lower than average cost of living & income.

Is where migrants tend to end up.

Rent, food, travel - everything is more affordable.

 

[ninjabot]

Losing what? Seats? Yes, that's accurate.

It's true that a lot of people are moving away from California and NY, but not for all of the reasons mentioned. It's the rent and cost of living primarily. No one's running away from a "woke mob" or covid restrictions. Imagine moving thousands of miles so you don't have to wear a mask that pretty soon you won't have to wear anyway.

I don't think the journalist should be as excited as he sounds either. A mass influx of blue voters moving to red states doesn't mean more red votes... it means more blue votes. And since these places they're "fleeing" from are full of minorities and liberals who are typically okay with more immigrants coming in to refill their ranks, it's not gonna magically turn conservative from losing the people who moved away. So instead of blue states losing voters and turning red, we've got blue states spreading out over the country like the Borg, infecting red states and assimilating them.

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[M3J]

But that also probably means less blue votes in the home state, no?

 

[kkck]

That really depends on what the demographics of the moving population are. The article doesn't elaborate on that but some parts seem to hint at those moving voters being blue votes (specifically the part where it mentions texans and floridians would prefer those people to stay back home).

 

[xi0]

The Calfornian exodus has been going on for a while, it predates covid. I'm sure for those able to it might have pushed them harder and sooner in that direction but yeah.

I wouldn't be all celebratory yet, the changeover may take a while and the GOP will try to pull their classic gerrymandering move in the wake of the Census to tighten their grips. Plus, the lopsided Supreme Court already ruled against federal courts being able to stop it too. That could be all state governments need to negate this kind of demographic shift.

 

[SharkBait]

imagine if this Jackaloon, instead, spent time worry about Infrastructure Week

 

[hokageji]

States like arizona and georgia with a lower than average cost of living & income.

Is where migrants tend to end up.

Rent, food, travel - everything is more affordable.

interesting... i still dont get it, but if you say so, OK.

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The Calfornian exodus has been going on for a while, it predates covid. I'm sure for those able to it might have pushed them harder and sooner in that direction but yeah.

I wouldn't be all celebratory yet, the changeover may take a while and the GOP will try to pull their classic gerrymandering move in the wake of the Census to tighten their grips. Plus, the lopsided Supreme Court already ruled against federal courts being able to stop it too. That could be all state governments need to negate this kind of demographic shift.

California's tax laws are bad.... i would understand if the tax was so high, and the infrastructure was great, or homelessness wasn't an issue, or healthcare was great, or atleast education was free or affordable... but its none of that...

The exodus must happen... covid has allowed remote work and a lot of startups are offering work with remote possibility. Irrespective of the politics, the exodus is a good thing... but if you want californians in your state, you better start getting socially left..

 

[xi0]

California's tax laws are bad.... i would understand if the tax was so high, and the infrastructure was great, or homelessness wasn't an issue, or healthcare was great, or atleast education was free or affordable... but its none of that...

The exodus must happen... covid has allowed remote work and a lot of startups are offering work with remote possibility. Irrespective of the politics, the exodus is a good thing... but if you want californians in your state, you better start getting socially left..

People complaining about homelessness are quite weird and heartless IMO

Rich people moving to tax haven states don't really have social issues on the forefront of their minds tbh

 

[M3J]

People complaining about homelessness are quite weird and heartless IMO

Rich people moving to tax haven states don't really have social issues on the forefront of their minds tbh

wish people focused that energy on helping the homeless get homes, we have far too many homes but not enough of them occupied, and it makes no sense.

 

[hokageji]

People complaining about homelessness are quite weird and heartless IMO

Rich people moving to tax haven states don't really have social issues on the forefront of their minds tbh

I think it is heartless, but the government is to be blamed as well... I dont get what california si doing efficiently with the tax money it raises.

Businesses will always do what's best for them. The government makes anything hard to achieve.

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wish people focused that energy on helping the homeless get homes, we have far too many homes but not enough of them occupied, and it makes no sense.

A housing crisis is coming.. just a few miles away from where i live, people here camped outside a new construction for the opportunity to purchase a house, before getting involved in an auction battle...
any guesses on teh sticker price for them? 1.2 million... imagine that, 1.2 million valued homes have people lining up like its the latest iphone.....

Its crazy. silicon valley is only for the uber rich.... and the middle class keeps moving further away from the job centers.... Its probably a good thing, even for california if businesses move elsewhere. Sure, its created a great eco system for technology pioneering, but the fight over wealth is something hard to stomach... Its too the point that people expect you to be a big spender... we tried adopting a dog, the rescue agency expects us to have a yard in the heart of california.... i get the point that yards are good for the dog, but only so many people can afford one in silicon valley.

the other issue i have is the way people are investing in cryptocurrencies... while the issues with crypto are a different story, i am more concerned about the FOMO attitude that is pushing for these investments. Again, here, the FAANG employees can easily throw a few 1000, or even 10k from their bank acccounts and if they lose, they will easily recover it within a year or less.... i am concerned when college students or those who dont work for big tech FAANG companies invest all their savings on something like dogecoin, which really has no product, is selling nothing and the valuation is purely on speculation. The only way you make money is someone pays a lot more for it than you do... not something you put your life savings into.

Housing is a huge problem in california. i hope people move out more and help other states build better IT / tech centers in other states.

 

[kkck]

My understanding of homelessness in the US is that it is primarily driven by the lack of mental healthcare for people. Which isn't any given state's fault but is rather a consequence of poor or non existent policies at the federal level since mental healthcare was basically phased out in the 70s and 80s.

To my understanding there is also the reality that homeless people move to cities because surviving there is simply easier than outside. Places outside big cities being less attractive to homeless people out of fear of freezing to death during the winter is not exactly something any place should be proud of.

 

[SharkBait]

My understanding of homelessness in the US is that it is primarily driven by the lack of mental healthcare for people. Which isn't any given state's fault but is rather a consequence of poor or non existent policies at the federal level since mental healthcare was basically phased out in the 70s and 80s.

To my understanding there is also the reality that homeless people move to cities because surviving there is simply easier than outside. Places outside big cities being less attractive to homeless people out of fear of freezing to death during the winter is not exactly something any place should be proud of.

theres also homeless veterans, lack of training programs to help them get hired upon doing their war duties or have support duties.

There's more poor people in rural places than cities. There's tons of homeless people outside of cities, its a problem everywhere, cities may get tent populations, but outside of cities can have more problems for homeless people, less shelters...though with more churches, many places house the homeless.

Freezing in winter, isn't that common, as most places have laws that theyll open gov't run places/shelters/heating shelters (or partner with community groups) for people to say when its gets below certain temps, afterall which city wants dead people lying on storefront's etc. During the day many places (libraries etc) may open to let people stay or most often shelters may require them to hold/have some sort of *job*.

Solution for homelessness in America is
-Wages needed to be scaled to the Rent (though there are special housing for people meeting low income thresholds, the waitlist can be long) as people may make enough to live but not to be in a home
-Jobs - rural america has lost lots of jobs - and the jobs it has a are low paying since low cost of living doesnt make employers want to pay livable wages-
-Housing - there is a lack of property in good condition in these places, sure there may be tons of places but if theyve been abandoned for years or lacking upkeep then they are still unsafe

I've mostly lived in rural places and been through many dying-dead towns that lost their major employers, its sad.

 

[M3J]

My understanding of homelessness in the US is that it is primarily driven by the lack of mental healthcare for people. Which isn't any given state's fault but is rather a consequence of poor or non existent policies at the federal level since mental healthcare was basically phased out in the 70s and 80s.

To my understanding there is also the reality that homeless people move to cities because surviving there is simply easier than outside. Places outside big cities being less attractive to homeless people out of fear of freezing to death during the winter is not exactly something any place should be proud of.

And rising costs, especially of homes, and especially in cities. Homelessness in areas like CA and NYC are high because of how much it costs to live there, from rent to needs, but it's also difficult to move out.

 

[kkck]

theres also homeless veterans, lack of training programs to help them get hired upon doing their war duties or have support duties.

There's more poor people in rural places than cities. There's tons of homeless people outside of cities, its a problem everywhere, cities may get tent populations, but outside of cities can have more problems for homeless people, less shelters...though with more churches, many places house the homeless.

Freezing in winter, isn't that common, as most places have laws that theyll open gov't run places/shelters/heating shelters (or partner with community groups) for people to say when its gets below certain temps, afterall which city wants dead people lying on storefront's etc. During the day many places (libraries etc) may open to let people stay or most often shelters may require them to hold/have some sort of *job*.

Solution for homelessness in America is
-Wages needed to be scaled to the Rent (though there are special housing for people meeting low income thresholds, the waitlist can be long) as people may make enough to live but not to be in a home
-Jobs - rural america has lost lots of jobs - and the jobs it has a are low paying since low cost of living doesnt make employers want to pay livable wages-
-Housing - there is a lack of property in good condition in these places, sure there may be tons of places but if theyve been abandoned for years or lacking upkeep then they are still unsafe

I've mostly lived in rural places and been through many dying-dead towns that lost their major employers, its sad.

Veterans and mental health problems go hand in hand afaik.

A quick google search suggests that the majority of homeless people are still actually in urban areas. Rural areas do have homelessness but not nearly as much as cities.

I didn't mean the freezing bit as in that is something that is currently a huge risk for homeless people. But rather the winter is something that shapes homeless' people's behavior. They just move to survive. That said, I am not familiar with numbers but to my understanding a non negligible amount of homeless people simply freeze to death every year.

I don't think it's possible to escalate wages to rent. Mostly because rent is absurdly high in some places. Generally, unless you are rich and unconcerned with the nuances of a budget, it is advisable for 30% of your income to go towards housing and whatnot. But even on $15.00 USD/hour that 30% probably won't cut it in a large city. How this should work is that wages are increased based on productivity. Productivity increases and so do wages. Which hasn't been happening since the 80s...