American Politics

[Sanity Check]

You don't think there's any studies going on regarding the potential long-term effects? They talk about it in the clip itself.

He himself admits he has a chronic health issue, which is part of the reason why he felt it necessary to get the vaccine. Talking about your experience and participating in fact-finding missions is not the same as allowing your experience to aid conspiracy theorists. That's not good science or medicine.

And Dore's experience is not the same as Rogan using his platform to flat out say young people shouldn't bother considering getting it. That's definitely not the same thing, and him thinking that way is obtuse as fuck.

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Long term studies never informed anyone as to the dangers of SSRIs and anti depressants or vaccines like gardisil. Long term studies have a history of omitting and hiding all of the illicit content. Why would that change now.

Effects of the vaccine are more pronounced in demographics with higher blood pressure who are more likely to notice inflammation and blot clot related issues caused by the vaccine. Its not a scenario where "some random people" notice symptoms. Everyone has those same symptoms, they're only more noticeable in those with poorer more deteriorated health.

I don't understand how you can label it as unnecessary if it saves lives. There's no doubt some places in the US were too draconian but the opposite of that doesn't help anything either.

30% to 40% of COVID fatalities in the USA.

Nearly One-Third of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Linked to Nursing Homes (Published 2021)

The virus has devastated residents and staff members in more than 32,000 long-term care facilities across the country.

www.nytimes.com

Were from Cuomo and new york putting COVID positive patients in nursing homes.

You think they care about saving lives? Since when?

 

[ninjabot]

Jesus might say: render unto caesar, that which is caesars.

See? Even Blue-Eyed Red-Blooded American Gun-toting White Jesus wants Republicans to pay their fair share in taxes.

 

[kkck]

Why do people ask questions, they don't want answered.

Lockdowns and vaccines are necessary evils for pandemics like the black plague with mortality rates 60% to 70% or higher.

COVID with its lower than 1% mortality rate doesn't deserve vaccines or lockdowns.

600,000 "COVID related" deaths aren't a crisis.

They're normal mortality statistics for heart disease.

Ok, this is just plain wrong and you vastly misunderstand how severe this disease is. The mortality rate is IIRC at about 0.4%-0.5% but that number is still absurdly high for a disease this infectious. It's so infectious that covid manages to thrive through any crack it can find and meanwhile other respiratory diseases are at historic lows.

Add to that, deaths are not the only consideration here. People getting violently ill from a still misunderstood virus is still by itself problematic. Sure, you have the 600000 people who have died from covid. But... those are just a small-ish percentage of the people who got violently ill. Who are also a fraction of the whole of people who got symptomatic covid. Who are still just a portion of the people who got the virus. This isn't just about deaths, it's also about the sheer number of people getting ill. And the disease's after effects that are a real bitch. Add to that, ICU's packed to the brim with covid patients also presents other problems. Increased mortality in covid patients, an additional risk to hospital workers (even if cases of healthcare workers getting covid are low)... Just the fact that a hospital filled to the brim with covid patients won't be able to handle other emergencies is problematic enough.

The US has had 37 million reported cases of covid... more than 1% of its population. Let alone that this is just what the US has recorded, the actual number of infections and deaths is probably higher (reports from earlier in the year placed excess deaths from covid at an additional 200k people...).

 

[M3J]

600,000 "COVID related" deaths aren't a crisis.

They're normal mortality statistics for heart disease.

Are you really comparing a contagious disease to a noncontagious disease? It's pretty fucking inhumane and anti-life of you to brush off covid's danger just because "1% of the population died" or something.

This isn't my guy. This is your boy, with your stuff. For you to take.

Pretty sure he hates Bill Gates.

 

[hokageji]

Why do people ask questions, they don't want answered.

Lockdowns and vaccines are necessary evils for pandemics like the black plague with mortality rates 60% to 70% or higher.

COVID with its lower than 1% mortality rate doesn't deserve vaccines or lockdowns.

600,000 "COVID related" deaths aren't a crisis.

They're normal mortality statistics for heart disease

You just gave me statistics that dont answer the question... but anyways, where are the stats of deaths due to lockdown? you are comparing 2013 to 2020, and most of the country did a lot to protect the spread.

And if you want a comparison, look into vaccinated vs unvaccinated stats of similar contagious diseases.

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Mask mandates are enough to keep the pandemic in check.

Well, this is fair, mask does a good job of curbing the spread. But you dont wanna wear the mask forever do you? Solution: vaccination..

 

[ninjabot]

Pretty sure he hates Bill Gates

You'd be right! I mean, a lot of left leaning people hate him nowadays so it's fair to make that assumption of me giving my political leaning.

 

[kkck]

Pretty sure everyone hates bill gates nowadays. The right because he is trying to put 5G brain control chips on people via vaccines and the left because of his obscene wealth, predatory business tactics and tax evasion.

 

[M3J]

You'd be right! I mean, a lot of left leaning people hate him nowadays so it's fair to make that assumption of me giving my political leaning.

That's how I knew you didn't like him.

Pretty sure everyone hates bill gates nowadays. The right because he is trying to put 5G brain control chips on people via vaccines and the left because of his obscene wealth, predatory business tactics and tax evasion.

I think the right thinks the left loves Bill Gates when the left hates him for a different reason.

 

[hokageji]

know two vaccinated people who today openly said they got covid, but the symptoms were mild because of the vaccines. They thanked it and likely realized that even vaccinated people should continue wearing masks, and I'm proud of them for that.

That is amazing that they have mild symptoms... Vaccines work, but their potency may reduce over a period of time.. So these vaccines will have to be taken on a yearly basis like the flu shot most likely...

White Jesus would want him to take the vaccine... he doesn't want to make White Jesus cry does he?

White Jesus? What do you mean?

 

[ninjabot]

White Jesus? What do you mean?

I'm sure you've heard or seen the memes reminding American Christian evangelicals that Jesus Christ was (assuming he existed) a "bronze-skinned man with hair like wool"... but that's not how they depict him in images. They show reverence to a picture of an Obi-Wan Kenobi looking motherfucker with blonde hair and blue eyes instead. Secularists and Atheists like myself refer to this white Jesus as... um... White Jesus.

 

[xi0]

She graduated from Harvard btw

How exactly do people propose "working" with those who use such blatantly dishonest messaging?

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Ah, her biggest donor last election was Blue Cross Blue Shield Association.... of course

 

[kkck]

Given the rather wide breath of things "socialism" in the US means (anything between social democracy and cuba) I have relatively little context of what that tweet could mean.

 

[M3J]

That is amazing that they have mild symptoms... Vaccines work, but their potency may reduce over a period of time.. So these vaccines will have to be taken on a yearly basis like the flu shot most likely...



White Jesus? What do you mean?

It isn't, I thought that was proven that if the vaccinated people did catch covid, it'd be mild symptoms.

There's talk of a third booster coming up

She graduated from Harvard btw

How exactly do people propose "working" with those who use such blatantly dishonest messaging?

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Ah, her biggest donor last election was Blue Cross Blue Shield Association.... of course

I can't tell if she's lying or if she's genuinely that ignorant. Republicans are such slimes.

 

[hokageji]

White Jesus would want him to take the vaccine... he doesn't want to make White Jesus cry does he?

White Jesus doesnt exist.... Jesus had to be an arab.... I doubt he'll take the vaccine from an arab.. right @Sanity Check

isn't, I thought that was proven that if the vaccinated people did catch covid, it'd be mild symptoms.

There's talk of a third booster coming up

I think there are cases of severe symptoms but those are negligible and even on those, its with people who have some or the other underlying symptoms..

The 3rd booster will be required... Delta is spreading symptomatically through vaccinated people is a new study.. i think its still more important for everyone to get vaccinated than the 3rd booster to those who are fully vaccinated.

 

[M3J]

That was quick with the third booster shot coming out. I agree though, the more vaccinated people are, the less likely they are to end up in a hospital or die.

 

[xi0]

I've seen mixed things regarding a booster. I guess trials will bear out whether it's effective at stopping infections with Delta, but the main point is it's still preventing severe illness whether there's breakthrough infections or not.

 

[ninjabot]

If covid has proven anything, it's that America won't survive a zombie apocalypse because the inoculation against zombification would probably be given via medical injection.

Anyway, on the topic of vaccination: https://news.yahoo.com/two-american-travelers-canada-fined-115816830.html

Heh heh, fuck em'.

 

[M3J]

They deserve worse for lying and putting lives at risk

 

[kkck]

I've seen mixed things regarding a booster. I guess trials will bear out whether it's effective at stopping infections with Delta, but the main point is it's still preventing severe illness whether there's breakthrough infections or not.

The more recent development I find specially concerning is vaccinated people still having the capacity to transmit the virus. It's preliminarily a small percentage of people though it remains unclear how small... This reads more like the vaccine isn't preventing infection but rather simply the severe symptoms (and death). And thus spread the virus just like any asymptomatic person. Given this scenario this small percentage of vaccinated people really sound like perfect virus carriers and spreaders. Of course, the solution to this would be everyone vaccinating and quickly though this type of transmission sounds like it could be yet another path for more variants to appear even through the vaccine. Hopefully we will have more information regarding what percentage of infected people are essentially asymptomatic and spreading the disease...

 

[xi0]

The more recent development I find specially concerning is vaccinated people still having the capacity to transmit the virus. It's preliminarily a small percentage of people though it remains unclear how small... This reads more like the vaccine isn't preventing infection but rather simply the severe symptoms (and death). And thus spread the virus just like any asymptomatic person. Given this scenario this small percentage of vaccinated people really sound like perfect virus carriers and spreaders. Of course, the solution to this would be everyone vaccinating and quickly though this type of transmission sounds like it could be yet another path for more variants to appear even through the vaccine. Hopefully we will have more information regarding what percentage of infected people are essentially asymptomatic and spreading the disease...

Yeah I've seen some reporting suggesting that the level of viral load in vaccinated people vs unvaccinated people isn't significantly different enough, which would explain them not being much less likely to spread it. I think this kind of evidence goes hand in hand with reporting that despite initial fears in India itself, the Delta variant might not be significantly more dangerous. I think the issue with this though is like you mentioned, if it's much more infectious it gives more opportunity for it to mutate into something else. Best case would be it going the way of the Spanish Flu and maybe mutating itself into something not much worse than the common cold, but this seems like something impossible to forecast.