I saw majority of people say they supported Trump because he put America first, mainly being anti-abortion, blaming immigrants for everything, wall, and promoting white supremacy, as well as normalizing racism. They rarely mentioned it was because of the cost of insurance.
Anyway, it's funny to see Trump's demands for recount be the opposite of helpful, as apparently the recounts show that Biden had more votes than originally thought, in many areas.
You don't have to bother pushing your politics here.
Have you seen those huge Trump boat parades? Those people didn't support Trump because someone made a smart or informative post on the internet. They saw their health insurance double or triple after obamacare was passed. That was one of the main causes.
Nobody cares about politics until COVID lockdowns hit or something happens that personally affects them. And even then they don't really care . They only want a quick fix so their life returns to "normal".
I tried for a long time to try to raise levels of information and awareness. With no success. Like I said: its comedy that you can give people all the answers and they will reject them. On the basis of it not being the trendy explanations they're used to hearing.
The sad truth is, heavy handed state policies like COVID lockdowns have done more to encourage people to be more proactive, informed and aware than I ever could.
I think chalking up fervent support of Trump to exclusively practical things is naive and far too generous. Especially when it comes to the loud-and-proud variety that have no problem making fools of themselves for the sake of a billionaire that doesn't even know they exist. Don't know what any of this has to do with wokeness though, or how we got to covid lockdowns from it, so you kind of lost me there.
You tried where? On other manga forums? This self-aggrandizement distracts from any points you think you make btw, friendly advice.
This isn't a counterpoint to what I said, nor have I tried to argue against big pharma making insane profits. The point is this money is being spent for a reason and they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't benefitting them.
I saw majority of people say they supported Trump because he put America first, mainly being anti-abortion, blaming immigrants for everything, wall, and promoting white supremacy, as well as normalizing racism. They rarely mentioned it was because of the cost of insurance.
Being exposed to an oppressive environment in england was the catalyst behind the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and all of their ideology.
Being opposed to negative trends of obamacare and believing americans are being oppressed: losing rights and freedom had the same effect on what would become Trump's support base. Which would spawn a 2016 version of the Founding Father's ideology.
If you look at boats in Trump parades, many of them are worth $50,000 to $100,000 or more. The demographic that owns those vessels falls into the income bracket that would be most hardly hit by healthcare reform.
I think chalking up fervent support of Trump to exclusively practical things is naive and far too generous. Especially when it comes to the loud-and-proud variety that have no problem making fools of themselves for the sake of a billionaire that doesn't even know they exist. Don't know what any of this has to do with wokeness though, or how we got to covid lockdowns from it, so you kind of lost me there.
This isn't a counterpoint to what I said, nor have I tried to argue against big pharma making insane profits. The point is this money is being spent for a reason and they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't benefitting them.
It depends on what they're lobbying for or against.
If they're lobbying against plans like medicare for all, which would abolish the privately run health insurance industry. It could be considered self defense.
So then why agonize about people not listening to you when they don't agree with what you say? Why even pretend to have the burden of infinite knowledge?
It depends on what they're lobbying for or against.
If they're lobbying against plans like medicare for all, which would abolish the privately run health insurance industry. It could be considered self defense.
Well yeah, so then you see why they spend so much money to influence legislation then? Regardless of whatever margins they may have. No lobby is doing what they do to waste rich people's money, they're doing it to benefit their industry.
It's understandable given it's legal to do so, but that's also a fatal flaw of our democracy. The ability of gigantic private health insurance conglomerates to continue to operate the way they do is the major obstacle in healthcare reform that covers every American.
Being exposed to an oppressive environment in england was the catalyst behind the Founding Fathers, the Constitution and all of their ideology.
Being opposed to negative trends of obamacare and believing americans are being oppressed: losing rights and freedom had the same effect on what would become Trump's support base. Which would spawn a 2016 version of the Founding Father's ideology.
If you look at boats in Trump parades, many of them are worth $50,000 to $100,000 or more. The demographic that owns those vessels falls into the income bracket that would be most hardly hit by healthcare reform.
if it was just those demographics, then Trump would never have won the electoral votes. He appealed to racists and white supremacists way more, and that's a fact.
if it was just those demographics, then Trump would never have won the electoral votes. He appealed to racists and white supremacists way more, and that's a fact.
So then why agonize about people not listening to you when they don't agree with what you say? Why even pretend to have the burden of infinite knowledge?
If you had infinite knowledge. Would it be a burden? The whole point of things like science is to gain knowledge. Would it be funny if scientists devoted countless hours to increasing knowledge only to further burden themselves?
Well yeah, so then you see why they spend so much money to influence legislation then? Regardless of whatever margins they may have. No lobby is doing what they do to waste rich people's money, they're doing it to benefit their industry.
It's understandable given it's legal to do so, but that's also a fatal flaw of our democracy. The ability of gigantic private health insurance conglomerates to continue to operate the way they do is the major obstacle in healthcare reform that covers every American.
All I'm going to say is. I hope every single person that hates on capitalism and promotes socialism. Has a guarantee that their life and their families lives will improve as a result.
Why is Twitter full of people angry at Henry Ford for announcing an 8-hour, 5-day workweek? I mean, he's a piece of shit, but this is one thing he did good.
This is just a cop-out then. You're either flippant about it or don't have much conviction over it, but act like you do. So you're either Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here or you don't have what it takes to "prove" anything in the first place.
If you had infinite knowledge. Would it be a burden? The whole point of things like science is to gain knowledge. Would it be funny if scientists devoted countless hours to increasing knowledge only to further burden themselves?
I don't think much of what any of us are doing here is scientific
And yes, it would definitely be a burden. If there was zero ability to increase knowledge as everything was knowne, then the only pursuit would be applying it, and that is a different animal altogether.
All I'm going to say is. I hope every single person that hates on capitalism and promotes socialism. Has a guarantee that their life and their families lives will improve as a result.
Why is Twitter full of people angry at Henry Ford for announcing an 8-hour, 5-day workweek? I mean, he's a piece of shit, but this is one thing he did good.
This is just a cop-out then. You're either flippant about it or don't have much conviction over it, but act like you do. So you're either Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here or you don't have what it takes to "prove" anything in the first place.
Above is a highlight reel of experts warning about a "housing bubble" as early as 2005. The housing crisis eventually became a reality in 2008. We appear to have had at least 3 years of prior warning. Why were people not swayed by legitimate evidence from approved media sources?
Anyways. Whatever I posted in this thread. They weren't attempts to sway anyone. I just do this as it helps me learn sometimes, to satisfy my curiosity about what others think about things, and to remind myself that no one gives a fk what I think.
I don't think much of what any of us are doing here is scientific
And yes, it would definitely be a burden. If there was zero ability to increase knowledge as everything was knowne, then the only pursuit would be applying it, and that is a different animal altogether.
Many historians regret Nero burning the great library of rome. It destroyed records we needed to have a better grasp of history. Emperors like Nero may have single handedly set science and civilization back centuries through destruction of knowledge.
Current events: people today are destroying landmarks, statues and information - walking in the footsteps of Nero.
Nero may have thought the great library of rome, containing knowledge, was a burden on humanity needing to be destroyed.
If that trend holds true, and the mentality determines our future direction, the obvious prediction is one where we'll see a regression of science & civilization driven by destruction of knowledge and history. Nero 2.0.
Many trends of the future and current day world, could be predictable through basic logical deduction.
What happens during and after Nero 2.0 could also be predictable, as they have similar historical precedents.
And Biden's approval keeps dipping. Honestly, I am surprised that he could even sink that low. Worst, him getting to trump levels of approval doesn't even seem impossible at this point. Biden can't keep this up at this point, he needs a win... Or at least a semblance of putting up a fight for his priorities.
Seafarers, truck drivers and airline workers have endured quarantines, travel restrictions and complex Covid-19 vaccination and testing requirements to keep stretched supply chains moving during the pandemic.
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This needs way more coverage. Global supply chains are collapsing (which is probably the main cause of inflation in the US currently). Shit's on fire yo.
Above is a highlight reel of experts warning about a "housing bubble" as early as 2005. The housing crisis eventually became a reality in 2008. We appear to have had at least 3 years of prior warning. Why were people not swayed by legitimate evidence from approved media sources?
Many historians regret Nero burning the great library of rome. It destroyed records we needed to have a better grasp of history. Emperors like Nero may have single handedly set science and civilization back centuries through destruction of knowledge.
Current events: people today are destroying landmarks, statues and information - walking in the footsteps of Nero.
Nero may have thought the great library of rome, containing knowledge, was a burden on humanity needing to be destroyed.
If that trend holds true, and the mentality determines our future direction, the obvious prediction is one where we'll see a regression of science & civilization driven by destruction of knowledge and history. Nero 2.0.
Many trends of the future and current day world, could be predictable through basic logical deduction.
What happens during and after Nero 2.0 could also be predictable, as they have similar historical precedents.
Nero didn't burn "the great library of rome", nor did he burn the Great Library of Alexandria... The whole "while Rome burns" legend has to do with Nero supposedly playing the fiddle instead of doing anything about it. Most sources that blame him for the fire say he did so for real estate purposes. If you want to invoke history to make a point, maybe familiarize yourself with it first.
People are destroying statues of embarrassing relics of our past. Should statues of traitors remain in state capitals or on state property? Does removing statues remove them from history? We know the Colossus of Rhodes existed even though it hasn't stood for 1400 years. Is this a real concern? Or is it posturing over people holding onto things that don't deserve any sort of honoring in the first place? Or a failure to reconcile what they were taught in school with reality?
Nero didn't burn "the great library of rome", nor did he burn the Great Library of Alexandria... The whole "while Rome burns" legend has to do with Nero supposedly playing the fiddle instead of doing anything about it. Most sources that blame him for the fire say he did so for real estate purposes. If you want to invoke history to make a point, maybe familiarize yourself with it first.
Israel destroying palestinian homes for "real estate" purposes is condemned, while Nero gets a free pass for it. Is this what true equality looks like?
People are destroying statues of embarrassing relics of our past. Should statues of traitors remain in state capitals or on state property? Does removing statues remove them from history? We know the Colossus of Rhodes existed even though it hasn't stood for 1400 years. Is this a real concern? Or is it posturing over people holding onto things that don't deserve any sort of honoring in the first place? Or a failure to reconcile what they were taught in school with reality?
It's relevant because I asked why you were mentioning it in the same sentence as more universally tangible and consequential issues and you chose to dismiss it afterwards. I'm interested in having that kind of conversation, so I don't know why you're backing away from it.
Israel destroying palestinian homes for "real estate" purposes is condemned, while Nero gets a free pass for it. Is this what true equality looks like?
Well no, not a free pass. The only historian that was in any way generous to him was Tacitus by just saying he wasn't in Rome at the time... which doesn't really absolve him of anything, but doesn't really endorse his supposed apathy that the legend is based on either.
I think an imperial mandate is a bit different than a supposedly free and democratic nation committing ethnic cleansing.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming landmarks and statues are never a glorification... which they are. What is the difference between a confederate general being honored in a state capital with a statue and still flying the confederate battle flag on state property? There isn't one. There can be a nuanced way of learning about historical topics of the unsavory variety that doesn't require maintaining objects designed to memorialize that which doesn't deserve it. Put it in a museum.
Unless you're very wealthy, I find it hard to believe you have nothing to attack capitalism for
So something can't be critiqued unless someone has an alternative to replace it? I mean, maybe that's not constructive in all cases, but it can also inspire changing away from things we don't want. That heading into a direction considered "socialist" doesn't really sway me in either direction at the end of the day. If it makes sense, it makes sense.
It's relevant because I asked why you were mentioning it in the same sentence as more universally tangible and consequential issues and you chose to dismiss it afterwards. I'm interested in having that kind of conversation, so I don't know why you're backing away from it.
If you watch a movie or TV show, there are usually political angles being pushed. If you read a book, more political angles. Open social media, a high percentage of everything you see is a political angle.
The woke movement is no exception. Its just another political angle. If people want to know things, they should question. What the motive behind political movements is, and who benefits from them the most.
Well no, not a free pass. The only historian that was in any way generous to him was Tacitus by just saying he wasn't in Rome at the time... which doesn't really absolve him of anything, but doesn't really endorse his supposed apathy that the legend is based on either.
I think an imperial mandate is a bit different than a supposedly free and democratic nation committing ethnic cleansing.
Nero is said to have killed his own mother, brother, wife and close friends, mentors and associates. I think that could be where notions of him being apathetic. Or perhaps even enjoying the suffering of others, stems from. He seemed to enjoy torturing and killing certain demographics in his spare time.
Nero is a strange historical figure in terms of how some sources try to sugarcoat everything he did.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming landmarks and statues are never a glorification... which they are. What is the difference between a confederate general being honored in a state capital with a statue and still flying the confederate battle flag on state property? There isn't one. There can be a nuanced way of learning about historical topics of the unsavory variety that doesn't require maintaining objects designed to memorialize that which doesn't deserve it. Put it in a museum.
Unless you're very wealthy, I find it hard to believe you have nothing to attack capitalism for
So something can't be critiqued unless someone has an alternative to replace it? I mean, maybe that's not constructive in all cases, but it can also inspire changing away from things we don't want. That heading into a direction considered "socialist" doesn't really sway me in either direction at the end of the day. If it makes sense, it makes sense.
As people, we take things for granted and don't appreciate what we have.
There are people who build rafts to escape to the USA. Who feel overjoyed, thankful and lucky to have the rights and freedoms many native born americans consider to be oppressive.
Capitalism is the best system for human rights and elevating people out of poverty. The problem is people aren't being raised or nurtured properly to make the most out of it.
Welp, my post was about the world's supply chains being figuratively on fire and this is something the world's governments should get on if there even is anything that can be done. but sure, um, salt the rich or whatever as much as you want.
If you watch a movie or TV show, there are usually political angles being pushed. If you read a book, more political angles. Open social media, a high percentage of everything you see is a political angle.
The woke movement is no exception. Its just another political angle. If people want to know things, they should question. What the motive behind political movements is, and who benefits from them the most.
"Political angles" in books/tv/movies are either cynical and treated like hackery, or they're just philosophical reflections of who is creating them.
I don't necessarily know who "benefits" from wokeism here because you still won't even really define wtf you think it is. If the complaint is about "politics" being inserted into media, then maybe reflect on whether that's the real issue or whether it's just politics you take exception with. What a strange world we live in if we expect all kinds of media to never have any form of social commentary within them.
You do not honestly believe that statues of confederate generals exist to remind people of racism, much less "prevent future racism". That the entire "southern pride" movement that popped up in the midst of criticism exists to remind people of how awful their ancestors were. Schools and roads named after them exist to remind everyone of our racist past, while they learn "history" from garbage textbooks that lie to them. Give me a break.
As people, we take things for granted and don't appreciate what we have.
There are people who build rafts to escape to the USA. Who feel overjoyed, thankful and lucky to have the rights and freedoms many native born americans consider to be oppressive.
Capitalism is the best system for human rights and elevating people out of poverty. The problem is people aren't being raised or nurtured properly to make the most out of it.
Aren't those the same people that you wouldn't consider deserving of those "rights and freedoms"? Why champion them now? To own the libs? How dare they complain about anything here, right?
The issue is not with the common person who didn't have the "ideal" upbringing. That is not the problem with the current system. Just like the issue with climate change isn't my neighbor not being able to afford an electric car or that he doesn't do a good enough job recycling..
Wasn't the main reason why the statues of Confederate generals erected was to strike fear in hearts of Black people during the 60s? It wasn't about the past, but about intimidation.
