American Politics

[Sanity Check]

Is there anything happening in politics atm.

Seems a bit quiet on the news side of things.

 

[ninjabot]

You don't consider the affidavit release to be news?

 

[Sanity Check]

You don't consider the affidavit release to be news?

Nope.

Same old ____.

 

[shionoro]

The climate crisis is getting worse and worse and we are not doing enough to stop it. Ain't that enough?

 

[M3J]

The climate crisis is getting worse and worse and we are not doing enough to stop it. Ain't that enough?

eh, it is what it is.


Also, I'm pretty annoyed at how so many people are against getting rid of student loan debt. I didn't realize we had that many evil people out there, especially Dems/the left who think they should get something as well. Focus should be on eradicating student debt before anything else, as people now are struggling immensely while people who paid off the debt already have a slightly lighter burden.

 

[xi0]

The climate crisis is getting worse and worse and we are not doing enough to stop it. Ain't that enough?

Who is "we"?

The greatest propaganda in regards to the climate is burdening the average person while something like 100 companies are responsible for 75% of all emissions.

There's really nothing we can do.

 

[ninjabot]

Nope.

Same old ____.

It's actually not. Instead of pretending so why don't you distract from it with some obscure non-American news story like you usually do?

I'm sure there's a garbanzo bean famine somewhere that deserves our attention.

Takeaways from the unsealed Mar-a-Lago search affidavit

While the FBI affidavit justifying the search of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate is highly redacted, it includes new details about the classified information that was stored at the former president's home.

apnews.com

 

[xi0]

Yeah, where's all of the prepper vids?

 

[Sanity Check]

It's actually not. Instead of pretending so why don't you distract from it with some obscure non-American news story like you usually do?

I'm sure there's a garbanzo bean famine somewhere that deserves our attention.

Ok.

Today: high inflation.

Around 1,800 years ago: ancient rome achieved high inflation under a silver standard, debasing the denarius:

Rome: Money, Mischief and Minted Crises

Honest and transparent money could have saved the Romans from centuries of economic hardship.

fee.org

Same old shit.

 

[shionoro]

Who is "we"?

The greatest propaganda in regards to the climate is burdening the average person while something like 100 companies are responsible for 75% of all emissions.

There's really nothing we can do.

99% of the population if you ask me. There is a lot we can do. Climate activism against companies is a thing and it is something that can be done or that can be donated to. It is true that companies try to deflect blame to the consumer. But that does not mean that civilians are doing enough to hold them accountable.
There is a potent climate activism movement that uses law, parties but also civil disobedience to fight back. The more people that are supportive towards those movements or even join them, the likelier we can prevent the worst.

 

[Sanity Check]

Yeah, where's all of the prepper vids?

...

This looks like a good small tank setup.

Here's another good one:

The Last Person to Post Wins - Arche Klaine

There's people here feel the same way, they're called Libertarians. And no, it usually has nothing to do with a "gay movement", they just don't think laws protecting children should exist and religious people should be allowed to wed whoever they want.

mangahelpers.com

 

[shionoro]

The thing that always annoyed me about preppers was that they really yearn for "x day" to happen oftentimes. They do not really want society to keep existing but rather glorify that they could survive while millions or billions die.

 

[xi0]

99% of the population if you ask me. There is a lot we can do. Climate activism against companies is a thing and it is something that can be done or that can be donated to. It is true that companies try to deflect blame to the consumer. But that does not mean that civilians are doing enough to hold them accountable.
There is a potent climate activism movement that uses law, parties but also civil disobedience to fight back. The more people that are supportive towards those movements or even join them, the likelier we can prevent the worst.

Likelier? Well, not less than zero perhaps.

The point is that nothing will change at large unless it's reinforced by profit motive.

Here's another good one:

The Last Person to Post Wins - Arche Klaine

There's people here feel the same way, they're called Libertarians. And no, it usually has nothing to do with a "gay movement", they just don't think laws protecting children should exist and religious people should be allowed to wed whoever they want.

mangahelpers.com

You growing hotdogs now?

The thing that always annoyed me about preppers was that they really yearn for "x day" to happen oftentimes. They do not really want society to keep existing but rather glorify that they could survive while millions or billions die.

This is how a lot of European Traditionalists behave.... that and the whole white supremacy thing...

 

[shionoro]

Likelier? Well, not less than zero perhaps.

The point is that nothing will change at large unless it's reinforced by profit motive.

Indeed, and to do that, we have options.

For example, if you blockade the fossil fuel industry (we had very successful blockades against coal), use courts to slap them with lawsuits, turn public image against them and condemn politicians that stay inactive, that is very helpful and effective.

The likehood that we get out scot's free from climate change is near zero. But the likelihood that the actions have a big effect is not. There is a substantial difference between a 2, 3 or even 4 degree world and fighting for that makes sense, always, no matter how bad it gets.

And climate protests ARE very successful. Supporting them with voting, financing, protesting or even being part of it is something that cannot be encouraged enough.

 

[xi0]

For example, if you blockade the fossil fuel industry (we had very successful blockades against coal), use courts to slap them with lawsuits, turn public image against them and condemn politicians that stay inactive, that is very helpful and effective.

That simply can't happen IMO. Not yet anyways. People, especially in the US, depend upon gasoline to contribute to society. EVs still aren't implemented in an affordable and usable way to turn that tide. Going hardcore on that industry just means the costs will be transferred to the average person.

We need cheaper/better batteries before any of that can be done. That sort of thing isn't happening as a result of protests or recycling more.

 

[shionoro]

That simply can't happen IMO. Not yet anyways. People, especially in the US, depend upon gasoline to contribute to society. EVs still aren't implemented in an affordable and usable way to turn that tide. Going hardcore on that industry just means the costs will be transferred to the average person.

We need cheaper/better batteries before any of that can be done. That sort of thing isn't happening as a result of protests or recycling more.

It is not like that. The point will never be to exchange the existing cars for electric cars. That will always be a pipedream. The US will have a hard time adjusting because the aim will be to make everything reachable by foot, bike or public transit.
But that goes beyond the point. The point is to take political action into the right direction and to have the climate lobby rival the lobbyist work of the fossil fuel industry..

In Europe, they can increasingly do that. There were some landmark actions happening recently that were heavily influenced by these kinds of actions (for example EU wide ban of selling oil/gas dependent cars by 2035).

It is about making it as hard for the fossil industry as we possibly can and putting pressure on politicians while also being constructive enough to have working relationships into politics.
And that is something that everybody can help with, whether it is via donations or protest or even just support by voice in conversation.

It is bad to try to put blame on the consumer for buying something that is bad for the climate.
But it is also a problem to call it a day because "it is the corporations and there is nothing we can do".
We can.

 

[xi0]

It is not like that. The point will never be to exchange the existing cars for electric cars. That will always be a pipedream. The US will have a hard time adjusting because the aim will be to make everything reachable by foot, bike or public transit.
But that goes beyond the point. The point is to take political action into the right direction and to have the climate lobby rival the lobbyist work of the fossil fuel industry..

In Europe, they can increasingly do that. There were some landmark actions happening recently that were heavily influenced by these kinds of actions (for example EU wide ban of selling oil/gas dependent cars by 2035).

It is about making it as hard for the fossil industry as we possibly can and putting pressure on politicians while also being constructive enough to have working relationships into politics.
And that is something that everybody can help with, whether it is via donations or protest or even just support by voice in conversation.

It is bad to try to put blame on the consumer for buying something that is bad for the climate.
But it is also a problem to call it a day because "it is the corporations and there is nothing we can do".
We can.

This is kind of a strawman because I didn't say call it a day. All I'm saying is that the case for optimism regarding significant change through these methods is slim as long as corporations aren't incentivized.

I'm aware I'm not being contstructive btw. I think they should do these things, but I have no faith in governments or shareholders to care enough about it while it goes against their profits.

 

[shionoro]

This is kind of a strawman because I didn't say call it a day. All I'm saying is that the case for optimism regarding significant change through these methods is slim as long as corporations aren't incentivized.

I'm aware I'm not being contstructive btw. I think they should do these things, but I have no faith in governments or shareholders to care enough about it while it goes against their profits.

But that is exactly the point of a lot of climate activism, giving both politics and corporations an incentive to change. Exactly because there is no faith in shareholders and governments alone, these actions are necessary. They are ARE working. The chance of them working is not slim, they are basically near 100%. We can see the effects that the green movement (as an umbrella) has on politics and corporations.
The question is how much and how fast they work. And that can be influenced by individuals, if they support these movements.

It is certainly an incentive for energy providers to stick to regulations, for example, if they know that elseways a hundred lawsuits and a thousand people chained to their machinery happen.
It is certainly an incentive or politicians to lay out more resolute climate policy (and stick to them) if they know that the topic rises in voter importance and that they will be blasted if they dont.

But only individuals can make that happen, the corporations or politicians alone won't take decisive action.

 

[McNuss]

The push generally needs to be to get back to reality. American education is opposed to actual scientific knowledge about how to educate healthy, happy and creative children that it can barely be rationalized.
I am not saying that because I hate on teachers or anything like that, i just dont see the aim being an educated and curious society.
Rather, there is a lot of networking and gatekeeping help for the elite and a lot of shrugging for the rest.

The goal of any education system is not to provide education to the masses lol where would we be if that were the case?

The goal is to reproduce society, keeping those in power in power. And these people know that very well, they just don't tell you.

This is also the problem of the left as many of them are dicks that look down on the uneducated and are also just as unwilling to give up their privileges.

 

[xi0]

First time a Democrat will represent Alaska in the House in 50 years.

Guess that's more of an indictment on Palin than anything else