It's a very Republican fallacy. I mean they even came up with the name RINO for people they thought weren't far-right enough. In all honesty though even the Republican representatives in Congress can't seem to agree on anything and have their own internal "how much do you love Jesus?" dick measuring contests.
Do people still trust Israel? I mean, they've been caught lying so many times on Twitter, and I've never seen any governmental figure get fact checked the way they have other than Trump.
While Hamas for the most part are horrible, they shouldn't be used to judge Palestine. Hell, they were created in the first place in response to Israel's cruelty and violence, but no one wants to talk about that. or how Israel, despite having so much power, keeps committing so many acts of terrorism against the Palestinians.
What people are you talking about? You know there are people who do, and people who don't. Hamas sucks and so does the Israeli government. Israel's government and existence was also established in response to acts of cruelty committed against them. The moral of the story is that Israel isn't going to bomb Hamas/Palestine into submission, and Hamas/Palestine isn't going to terrorize Israel into ending their occupation. Hamas leaders will sit in Qatar appreciating a luxurious lifestyle while receiving money and weapons from Iran to continue shooting rockets into Israel. Israel will continue to welcome this as it's a guaranteed fat paycheck from the USA to go further fuck with that small strip of land and its people. Israelis who have no government role close to Gaza, and Palestinians who don't have the safety of residing in Qatar / Turkey will all be victims of a political game meant to line the pockets of elite politicians on both sides.
What did I do that was disrespectful? I didn't insult you at all. Calling you fallacious isn't an insult or even an ad hominem attack. It's pointing out a flaw in your reasoning. For fuck's sake YOU COULD BE RIGHT but the only way you'd be able to prove it is if you could provide evidence backing the claim that YOU made: that "respectable Republicans don't support Sidney Powell".
If it makes you feel any better, I never made the claim that ALL Republicans endorsed her. Just like not all Republicans endorsed Trump. I genuinely apologize if I actually upset you. I honestly didn't know I went that hard, compared to some of our other heated conversations.
EDIT: Unless you're upset with me using the word "cult" to define Trump loyalists. Which I will fucking eat a bullet before I ever apologize for.
Ever.
DOUBLE EDIT: Cheese Bro just pled guilty as well, as expected! Dropping like dominoes. Who's next?
It's a very Republican fallacy. I mean they even came up with the name RINO for people they thought weren't far-right enough. In all honesty though even the Republican representatives in Congress can't seem to agree on anything and have their own internal "how much do you love Jesus?" dick measuring contests.
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What people are you talking about? You know there are people who do, and people who don't. Hamas sucks and so does the Israeli government. Israel's government and existence was also established in response to acts of cruelty committed against them. The moral of the story is that Israel isn't going to bomb Hamas/Palestine into submission, and Hamas/Palestine isn't going to terrorize Israel into ending their occupation. Hamas leaders will sit in Qatar appreciating a luxurious lifestyle while receiving money and weapons from Iran to continue shooting rockets into Israel. Israel will continue to welcome this as it's a guaranteed fat paycheck from the USA to go further fuck with that small strip of land and its people. Israelis who have no government role close to Gaza, and Palestinians who don't have the safety of residing in Qatar / Turkey will all be victims of a political game meant to line the pockets of elite politicians on both sides.
Ain't no way you're acting as if Israel has not been bombing and destroying the Gaza strip, has not been treating the people in the West Bank as animals for decades on end, even without Hamas as M3J said if Hamas magically disappeared, Israel WILL CONTINUE THEIR FUCKING INHUMANE, SUBHUMAN ACTIONS like it's fucking crazy how people like you legit IGNORE FOR 80 years, Israeli Government which is a fucking Zionist Regime has been doing a fucking ethnic cleansing for decades and yall wanna still act and ignore this shit and blame both sides and all the meanwhile you have South Africans basically fucking calling out Israel for creating an Apartheid cuz South Africans have experienced what an Apartheid is in their history and can tell what exactly it is and all of are calling this that.
The issue with this way of thinking is that you don't "correct" the wrong of the Holocaust by disadvantaging others that had nothing to do with it. Unlike some, I'm not calling for Israel's non-existence. Their right to exist is what it is now because of the establishment of the country. Many countries are established at the expense of others, there's no real practical reason to make an exception for Israel. Zionism is an especially stupid doctrine that is entirely bigoted and supremacist in nature. But Israel is what it is.
The issue rests entirely on Israel's role as an ethnonationalist and expansionist regime that refuses ending this conflict the way the majority of the world wants because they have the backing to pretty much do whatever they want. That's why they can commit genocide on a Tuesday and receive a fat check from across the world on a Wednesday.
Ain't no way you're acting as if Israel has not been bombing and destroying the Gaza strip, has not been treating the people in the West Bank as animals for decades on end, even without Hamas as M3J said if Hamas magically disappeared, Israel WILL CONTINUE THEIR FUCKING INHUMANE, SUBHUMAN ACTIONS like it's fucking crazy how people like you legit IGNORE FOR 80 years, Israeli Government which is a fucking Zionist Regime has been doing a fucking ethnic cleansing for decades and yall wanna still act and ignore this shit and blame both sides and all the meanwhile you have South Africans basically fucking calling out Israel for creating an Apartheid cuz South Africans have experienced what an Apartheid is in their history and can tell what exactly it is and all of are calling this that.
The issue with this way of thinking is that you don't "correct" the wrong of the Holocaust by disadvantaging others that had nothing to do with it. Unlike some, I'm not calling for Israel's non-existence. Their right to exist is what it is now because of the establishment of the country. Many countries are established at the expense of others, there's no real practical reason to make an exception for Israel. Zionism is an especially stupid doctrine that is entirely bigoted and supremacist in nature. But Israel is what it is.
The issue rests entirely on Israel's role as an ethnonationalist and expansionist regime that refuses ending this conflict the way the majority of the world wants because they have the backing to pretty much do whatever they want. That's why they can commit genocide on a Tuesday and receive a fat check from across the world on a Wednesday.
I honestly don’t really care. You’ve said the same thing(s) over and over again just in nuanced ways. The topic is getting repetitive and it’s clear where everyone stands. The whole thread reads like a good ol’ fashioned political circle jerk.
What people are you talking about? You know there are people who do, and people who don't. Hamas sucks and so does the Israeli government. Israel's government and existence was also established in response to acts of cruelty committed against them. The moral of the story is that Israel isn't going to bomb Hamas/Palestine into submission, and Hamas/Palestine isn't going to terrorize Israel into ending their occupation. Hamas leaders will sit in Qatar appreciating a luxurious lifestyle while receiving money and weapons from Iran to continue shooting rockets into Israel. Israel will continue to welcome this as it's a guaranteed fat paycheck from the USA to go further fuck with that small strip of land and its people. Israelis who have no government role close to Gaza, and Palestinians who don't have the safety of residing in Qatar / Turkey will all be victims of a political game meant to line the pockets of elite politicians on both sides.
There are still people that support Israel, that ignore the constant lies they peddle and the violence against innocent people, AND they call for a genocide of Palestine constantly.
Israel's government and existence was established after stealing Palestine land, after they were welcomed by the Palestinians after the war. From there they got more and more violent in taking over Palestine.
Moral of story is that you're wrong. They've been bombing Palestine and will continue to bomb Palestine as long as it exists, until they can steal the rest of Palestine. The goal isn't submission, it's eradication, and they have the backing and defense of the west government to do that and get away with it. Palestine are literally at every disadvantage and have no power.
Dems too, and even Bernie's given a speech on how Israel needs justice, and he's probably one of the most left politicians in USA. Hell, didn't Democrats few years ago pass or try to pass a law that outlawed criticizing Israel?
You sound like my cousin who thinks Jews are putting cat estrogen in our milk supply.
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I honestly don’t really care. You’ve said the same thing(s) over and over again just in nuanced ways. The topic is getting repetitive and it’s clear where everyone stands. The whole thread reads like a good ol’ fashioned political circle jerk.
Dems too, and even Bernie's given a speech on how Israel needs justice, and he's probably one of the most left politicians in USA. Hell, didn't Democrats few years ago pass or try to pass a law that outlawed criticizing Israel?
Well i said for the most part. There are still some good republicans out there but they are really very few compared to the rest also some of them are just anti semetic and hate jews for the sake of hating. Many of dems are hypocrites. The Israel/Palestine showed many true faces and exposed many hypocrites, however, you also see many dems maintain their moral compass and support the right side. The actual vicitims. The Palestinians.
I honestly don’t really care. You’ve said the same thing(s) over and over again just in nuanced ways. The topic is getting repetitive and it’s clear where everyone stands. The whole thread reads like a good ol’ fashioned political circle jerk.
Idk, I sense some frustration but I feel like that's reductive and doesn't actually address any of the points I've made. There is no point in labeling one side good or evil. It's too unequivocal and doesn't deal with the actual issue and just creates more opportunities for dogmatic thinking.
But if you think we're going in circles, fair enough.
Idk, I sense some frustration but I feel like that's reductive and doesn't actually address any of the points I've made. There is no point in labeling one side good or evil. It's too unequivocal and doesn't deal with the actual issue and just creates more opportunities for dogmatic thinking.
But if you think we're going in circles, fair enough.
Everyone has been reiterating their unchanging opinions nearly daily for two weeks now. Nobody has even come remotely close to altering how they think about the topic, myself included. It’s basically just loudest voice wins at this point.
It’s also incredibly annoying how immune your average forum poster is to nuance.
TL;DR: topic was interesting two weeks ago, exhausting now.
Everyone has been reiterating their unchanging opinions nearly daily for two weeks now. Nobody has even come remotely close to altering how they think about the topic, myself included. It’s basically just loudest voice wins at this point.
Fair enough. My main point in writing here on this topic is I find the "both sides" argument rather dishonest and kind of objectionable in some case, and I don't feel like you can trust that most major news sources will convey that in any way.
I'm assuming that's not in reference to anything I've said?
And I'm not trying to be a smart ass about this, but your last post basically reduced an argument to Israel=Bad, Palestine=Good and yet you're saying people here are immune to nuance. Was the irony was intended?
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It's possible I've shared this here before but it's still so timely
Everyone has been reiterating their unchanging opinions nearly daily for two weeks now. Nobody has even come remotely close to altering how they think about the topic, myself included. It’s basically just loudest voice wins at this point.
I'm assuming that's not in reference to anything I've said?
And I'm not trying to be a smart ass about this, but your last post basically reduced an argument to Israel=Bad, Palestine=Good and yet you're saying people here are immune to nuance. Was the irony was intended?
You sound like my cousin who thinks Jews are putting cat estrogen in our milk supply.
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I honestly don’t really care. You’ve said the same thing(s) over and over again just in nuanced ways. The topic is getting repetitive and it’s clear where everyone stands. The whole thread reads like a good ol’ fashioned political circle jerk.
So you refuse to open your eyes and result to insulting me huh, cool man guess you side with the oppressors who are fucking Nazis just like your dumbass American Government that are supporting Nazis, ignore the fact you failed to refute about South Africans who know their bloody history and are able to tell the difference and can easily see that what Israel is doing is an Apartheid, thank you for telling me that you are okay with a genocide of people.
So you refuse to open your eyes and result to insulting me huh, cool man guess you side with the oppressors who are fucking Nazis just like your dumbass American Government that are supporting Nazis, ignore the fact you failed to refute about South Africans who know their bloody history and are able to tell the difference and can easily see that what Israel is doing is an Apartheid, thank you for telling me that you are okay with a genocide of people.
Meanwhile 90% of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania are siding with Palestinians and wanting justice and want Israeli Zionist ousted for their clear night and day actions of an apartheid state, ethnic cleansing and zionism which is literally just nazis.
Clearly this topic is not loaded as it seems and very black and white at that too.
Meanwhile 90% of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania are siding with Palestinians and wanting justice and want Israeli Zionist ousted for their clear night and day actions of an apartheid state, ethnic cleansing and zionism which is literally just nazis.
Clearly this topic is not loaded as it seems and very black and white at that too.
I meant loaded as in it being emotionally loaded, etc.
I've yet to see evidence that most of Europe is siding with Palestine with this. Perhaps the rhetoric is a bit less unequivocally behind Israel, but actions mean more than words.
At the risk of being pedantic, but Zionism isn't Nazism. Netanyahu's brand of Zionism is certainly ethnonationalist. There's a reason why the guy has gone around being ostensibly a Hitler apologist and trying to rub elbows with far right elements in Europe. It's just another way to vilify muslims/brown people.
I meant loaded as in it being emotionally loaded, etc.
I've yet to see evidence that most of Europe is siding with Palestine with this. Perhaps the rhetoric is a bit less unequivocally behind Israel, but actions mean more than words.
At the risk of being pedantic, but Zionism isn't Nazism. Netanyahu's brand of Zionism is certainly ethnonationalist. There's a reason why the guy has gone around being ostensibly a Hitler apologist and trying to rub elbows with far right elements in Europe. It's just another way to vilify muslims/brown people.
Dude, there's literal fucking tik tok creators in Israel openly mocking palestinians by wearing make up and putting white powder on there faces and shit even the fucking miltary is dancing and laughing https://fxtwitter.com/_saker__/status/1715275823207350494 > Legit absolutely fucking disgusting anyone whose still defending this shit get a reality check, these people are wanting all palestinians wiped from a land that they stole. This is literally the same Zionism that Theoder Herzl preached for, literally wiping out an entire race of people which is what Netehyahu and his Zionist cronies want is the exact same as what Hilter wanted.
I honestly don't mind that, These videos will fireback at them at somepoint. It can be a future reference and everyone can see their true faces, This is history in the making. Unlike the old wars, Now everything is documented for anyone to see depite the billion investments in faking the narrtive and victimzing the aggresstor the actual terrorist, The truth will remain intact.
No empire last forever, Centers of power shifts and one day they will pay for all their crimes. The question is when.
Well i said for the most part. There are still some good republicans out there but they are really very few compared to the rest also some of them are just anti semetic and hate jews for the sake of hating. Many of dems are hypocrites. The Israel/Palestine showed many true faces and exposed many hypocrites, however, you also see many dems maintain their moral compass and support the right side. The actual vicitims. The Palestinians.
I've not seen any good republican, and it's hard to believe that when they're with a supremely bigoted party.
If we're talking about politicians, I've unfortunately seen too many support Israel or not show actual support for Palestine. Even the further left have been criticized, and it was disappointing to see Bernie and AOC not support Palestine.
Meanwhile 90% of Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania are siding with Palestinians and wanting justice and want Israeli Zionist ousted for their clear night and day actions of an apartheid state, ethnic cleansing and zionism which is literally just nazis.
Clearly this topic is not loaded as it seems and very black and white at that too.
Dunno about that, but I have noticed more and more Americans siding with Palestine, something that would have been unheard of years ago. Sad thing is, right wing bigots like Jackson Hinkle and Jake Shields or whoever seem to be supporting them only because they gain something out of it.
