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Guess @ninjabot doesn't see this kind of infos in his media

 

[ninjabot]

Guess @ninjabot doesn't see this kind of infos in his media

I don't want to do the same thing everyone else does here and assume that your source is lying from the beginning.

I will however, remain skeptical because it's not like there isn't a motive for lying here, and I don't speak whatever language this is and see no translation, so there's nothing to really disagree with.

 

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I don't want to do the same thing everyone else does here and assume that your source is lying from the beginning.

Certainly, terrorist zionist censored propaganda machines are the best when it comes to credibility.

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I will however, remain skeptical because it's not like there isn't a motive for lying here, and I don't speak whatever language this is and see no translation, so there's nothing to really disagree with.

Not my fault if your sources removes and adjust content depending on what the polititians wanna know. Keep being brainwashed.

 

[ninjabot]

Certainly, terrorist zionist censored propaganda machines are the best when it comes to credibility.

This response, surprisingly, doesn't go much further to prove what's stated in the video you posted lol.

 

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This response, surprisingly, doesn't go much further to prove what's stated in the video you posted lol.

Like you gave an argument, you just arbitrarily said he was lying and stopped there lol.
Wonder if CNN or the likes would publish Hamas higher ups statement in the fear of telling the truth.

 

[ninjabot]

Like you gave an argument, you just arbitrarily said he was lying and stopped there lol.

I literally said the opposite of that!

I said, and I quote:

I don't want to do the same thing everyone else does here and assume that your source is lying from the beginning.

I said I'd remain skeptical. As in I don't know if it's true or false so I'll abstain from taking a stance until I have sufficient evidence to believe it's true.

 

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I literally said the opposite of that!

Well, you said everyone (or rather everyone from your surroudings) assume it's lies, this alone is more than enough as a proof to me.
Waiting for CNN and its variants to publish these kind of annoucements....or not. Not gonna show the truth that hurts.
Guess you never had complete information. No wonder you're brainwashed, you only see and read zionist censored content.

 

[ninjabot]

Well, you said everyone (or rather everyone from your surroudings) assume it's lies, this alone is more than enough as a proof to me.
Waiting for CNN and its variants to publish these kind of annoucements....or not.

But why though? Why is it proof enough to you? Because it agrees with you? Because it's from Palestinians?

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I want to know why you think it's true as opposed to a lie. The reason I take MY sources as truth is because they were interviews with Palestinian people (including Hamas members) talking about Hamas and thus they lack any reason to try to make Hamas look worse, but somehow did. Sure, it's possible literally all of them were Israeli zionist sympathizers being paid to lie... but you'd have to prove that to me.

 

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But why though? Why is it proof enough to you? Because it agrees with you? Because it's from Palestinians?

Any rational statement based on proof and statement is proof enough (like in the video I posted). Zinost media (including US media) is well known to crop the parts they like and display it the way they like. I always compared the two versions since my childhood.

The reason I take MY sources as truth is because they were interviews with Palestinian people (including Hamas members) talking about Hamas and thus they lack any reason to try to make Hamas look worse

I know many palestinian people and the one the US/Zionist media always interview are nothing but traitors, dunno if they're paid/threatened or both, to go alongside the zionist plot. In the other hands, we've countless evidence from other media (that apparently you don't see and assume they're lying), showing the exact opposite with interviews and logical evidence. Hence's why I assume you're brainwashed into only believing the "censored" zionist content.
When you compare both version, the zionist (censored/manipulated) one and the real one, it's not hard to conclude who is spreading false propaganda.

As in, a group of hundreds of journalist already addressed a complaint and were either shut down via violence or threats.

 

[ninjabot]

Any rational statement based on proof and statement is proof enough (like in the video I posted). Zinost media (including US media) is well known to crop the parts they like and display it the way they like. I always compared the two versions since my childhood.

Okay. I can neither confirm nor deny, considering I haven't received any translation, so I'll take your word for it... while remaining skeptical.

I know many palestinian people and the one the US/Zionist media always interview are nothing but traitors, dunno if they're paid/threatened or both, to go alongside the zionist plot. In the other hands, we've countless evidence from other media (that apparently you don't see and assume they're lying), showing the exact opposite. Hence's why I assume you're brainwashed into only believing the "censored" zionist content.
As in, a group of hundreds of journalist already addressed a complaint and were either shut down via violence or threats.

Again: I didn't say they're lying. I said the exact opposite: that I don't want to do the same as everyone else is doing in here and assuming opposing links of evidence are lies. I just literally-

Nevermind.

 

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Okay. I can neither confirm nor deny, considering I haven't received any translation, so I'll take your word for it... while remaining skeptical.

Well, wait for CNN to publish it, he's a Hammas higher up, so they should...lol.

Again: I didn't say they're lying. I said the exact opposite: that I don't want to do the same as everyone else is doing in here and assuming opposing links of evidence are lies. I just literally-

Which means, you live in an area where everyone is buying CNN/BBC lies.
And assume that the whole world are buying their zionist propaganda....

 

[ninjabot]

Well, wait for CNN to publish it, he's a Hammas higher up, so they should...lol.

I'll take any translation. It doesn't have to be from CNN. I dunno why you chose to post this version of the video here (untranslated) anyway considering everyone in here is English speakers.

Which means, you live in an area where everyone is buying CNN/BBC lies.
And assume that the whole world are buying their zionist propaganda....

No, when I say "In here", I mean the mangahelpers American Politics section. Not everyone in America. Everything I've posted has been either dismissed as a lie or implied to be a lie. I don't want to do the same thing because it shows a distinct bias and I'm trying to remain unbiased.

 

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I'll take any translation. It doesn't have to be from CNN. I dunno why you chose to post this version of the video here (untranslated) anyway considering everyone in here is English speakers.

By CNN, I mean CNN and its variations (BBC, sky news, timesOfIsrael,...).
I posted it untranslated because no english media published it so far and also since it shows a higher up of Hamas logically and utterly destroying the zionist (baby killers) plot who said they actually found some of Hamas tunnels/weapons.
I also showed it untranslated to see whether the "fair" media you follow would somehow publish it or not.

No, when I say "In here", I mean the mangahelpers American Politics section. Not everyone in America. Everything I've posted has been either dismissed as a lie or implied to be a lie. I don't want to do the same thing because it shows a distinct bias and I'm trying to remain unbiased.

Ok, fair enough.
Though, believing a media which is trying to sell us, somehow, that a bloody warmonger occupier has a right of self defense...
Also, the same channels that never failed to attach the world "terrorism" with "islam" whenever the occasion shows of.

 

[ninjabot]

By CNN, I mean CNN and its variations (BBC, sky news, timesOfIsrael,...).
I posted it untranslated because no english media published it so far and also since it shows a higher up of Hamas logically and utterly destroying the zionist (baby killers) plot who said they actually found some of Hamas tunnels/weapons.
I also showed it untranslated to see whether the "fair" media you follow would somehow publish it or not.

Well I guess we'll see.

Ok, fair enough.
Though, believing a media which is trying to sell us, somehow, that a bloody warmonger occupier has a right of self defense...

Israeli citizens have a right of defense whether the IDF does or not. Unless you want to hold all of Israel responsible.

 

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Israeli citizens have a right of defense whether the IDF does or not. Unless you want to hold all of Israel responsible.

Israeli citizens shouldn't be touched, that's a fact, they're civilians. Israel as state though, is an occupier terrorist nation everyone despise and hate in the middle east. As an occupier, everyone has the right to attack it, without touching the civilians.

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Well I guess we'll see.

They already chose not to publish an earlier conference of his already since it destroys the zionist plot.

 

[ninjabot]

 

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@ninjabot
You also never bother to see this kind of perspectives (which are prohibited in zionist media) :

 

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This is exactly my point, here you are "I dont think that makes it a concentration camp", dude you are literally proving my point, numerous people come out with facts and evidence as to why it is a concentration camp and you are like ignoring that a children from Holocaust survivors

I'm not proving any of your points, I'm just saying something you don't agree with.

You've cited nothing of what you mentioned. Insistence isn't an argument.

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First off, I don't think they're lying because it's been confirmed that Hamas builds their bases of operations in, on, or around civilian areas:

“The issue of military headquarters embedded in civilian populations posed a huge problem during the previous rounds of fire. We and other factions have initiated a gradual transfer operation with the aim of relocating a number of military headquarters from within the civilian population.

“We have managed to move many headquarters, but it is necessary to move many more. With God’s help we will continue this work,” he continued. “We are paying attention to this issue and are taking care to move a large portion of the headquarters, mainly from towers, residential buildings and other places. We have successfully replaced any of these places and, God willing, we will complete this task.”

Right, but that doesn't mean it's always the truth. From what I've seen of the government's rhetoric and their proven lies I think it's easy to see them lying about specific instances. There's very little reason to take what they say at face value IMO.

so it's not far-fetched to believe this particular hospital was one of many. As for what this information does, hopefully, it changes the opinions of people who believe Hamas are altruistic freedom fighters as opposed to terrorists willing to endanger the lives of civilians for the sake of strategic advantage.

Okay, maybe I'm being glib/hyperbolic. I don't think that you in particular think Hamas are altruistic freedom fighters. I do think that you think they're a net good though and I think they're a net negative, and this is a piece of evidence toward my stance. Unless you're going to argue Hamas provides food and housing for disenfranchised Palestinian refugees I don't know what you could say justifying their choices of HQ and where they build their tunnels. And I don't even know if that makes for a good justification because again: bomb shelters. Make those instead of rockets. And make them away from fucking civilian hospitals.

Am I saying anything unreasonable?

EDIT: Also, attacking civilian areas because your enemies there is not justified. In case it needed to be said.

I'm not exactly sure where you got the impression that I think Hamas is a "net good" really? I think at most I've said Hamas and groups like it are an inevitability of these kinds of circumstances.

Yeah I mean, that's what I was getting at. Leveling a hospital to destroy a cache of weapons that rivals what the average Texan has in their garage isn't justification really.

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To add, I also think it's difficult for much of anything to not be close to "civilian areas" when it comes to Gaza. We're talking about a space roughly 2x the size of DC and with the population density of Hong Kong.

 

[ninjabot]

Right, but that doesn't mean it's always the truth. From what I've seen of the government's rhetoric and their proven lies I think it's easy to see them lying about specific instances. There's very little reason to take what they say at face value IMO.

Sure, I agree. It's why I'm trying to take quotes from actual Palestinians/Hamas. Because skepticism is healthy, but some sources require less skepticism than others.

I'm not exactly sure where you got the impression that I think Hamas is a "net good" really? I think at most I've said Hamas and groups like it are an inevitability of these kinds of circumstances.

Yeah I mean, that's what I was getting at. Leveling a hospital to destroy a cache of weapons that rivals what the average Texan has in their garage isn't justification really.

I might have jumped to a conclusion because I don't remember you denouncing Hamas. And yeah. Israel isn't doing this the right way. What they're doing is inhumane.

...so 2 state solution.

 

[xi0]

I might have jumped to a conclusion because I don't remember you denouncing Hamas. And yeah. Israel isn't doing this the right way. What they're doing is inhumane.

...so 2 state solution.

I probably separated it by saying that I obviously don't condone attacks on non-combatants. But I'm not going to use a hard dividing line between the kinds of things Hamas is willing to do vs what the IDF is willing to do, sorry. And because the conflict is completely and utterly asymmetrical, I have much more to say about Israel's role in it.

I think justice is a one state solution, but it's certainly not realistic when a two state solution already isn't really.