I didn't imply that they needed to go anywhere, I'm saying the blockade and subsequent administration by the Israeli government is the issue. While horrible, I don't think that makes it a concentration camp. Cancer and HIV are both horrific diseases, that doesn't make them identical.
According to Google, it would make it a concentration camp. Palestinians in the north were told to flee to the south for safety, but now they're being told to flee somewhere else out of Khan Yunis and other southern areas lest they get killed by bombs. I'd even say Gaza is a death camp now, if not close to it.
What's going on in Gaza does fit the definition of a concentration camp.
Taking control out of the hands of Israel via intervention from the UN. That's what I propose. Israel is not going to do the right thing here (which is giving it back to Palestine). So the next best thing is to move toward a 2 state solution. Israel for Israelis. Palestine for Palestinians. Both sides prevented from committing acts of war for... I dunno, a set period of time, while peace talks are mediated by an authority neither side can refuse.
UN isn't going to do that because it needs an Israel. I don't know if UN cares that Israel is committing genocide and not even sparing kids and babies, but they're not going to do anything to help because they'd rather have a nation that works in their interest.
The 2-state solution will not work simply because the Zionists want more land. They literally stole Palestinians' homes from them for decades, and they want Palestinians to be extinct. Zionists will commit acts of war and get away with it for the reasons I have stated multiple times. Palestine could literally defend itself, as it has been doing for the past few decades, and people would still find a way to blame them and defend Israel.
I'm basing it on Israel's behavior, as well as the behavior of any non-Palestinian politician who has spoken on this conflict since the 7th of last month. The only people coming out against Israel is the occasional Arab actor or athlete (or porn star in Mia Khalifa's case) along with a ton of radical lefties, while the people speaking in favor of Israel are MOST American news media, MOST American politicians whether they be Republican or Democrat, and MOST American citizens whether they be Republican or Democrat.
Hamas, internationally, are considered the bad guys. Sympathy for terrorists is slim. And I'm not falling for any Israeli lies, btw. The video I posted showing Hamas training grounds as well as an interview with a member of Hamas? Inside the tunnels? Admitting to placing them under civilian infrastructure because "they have no place else to go"?
If you're going to assert that this person, and all of the Hamas trainees are really Israeli actors pretending to be Hamas then... we just disagree on the way to determine whether something's real or not. Because you just said you learned from Palestinians how unfair things are, and I've learned from Palestinians how much Hamas doesn't give a shit about getting civilians killed. So which of us is right, considering we're both using Palestinians as our source?
As for Israeli hostages being taken care of by Hamas, you know hostages are taken care of because they're valuable tools right? I'd also argue that it shouldn't take 5 days to find all your hostages if you're taking "good care of them". How the hell are you taking care of them when you don't know where the hell they are?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/15/hamas-israel-gaza-hostage-deal/
American news media, most Republicans, and most Democrats are in Israel's pockets. Even BBC and etc are speaking against Israel though nowadays, and Israel is exposing itself so badly on Twitter. But a lot of Israelis and Jewish people are speaking up against Israel and showing their support for Palestine, and so are Holocaust survivors and their families. If you are not aware of this or the ways Israel has exposed themselves to be liars, then you may need to relook your sources.
Yeah, they're going to be considered the bad guys when the media and the world are biased towards Israel, and they don't stop to wonder why Hamas are doing what they're doing. Would you be mad at indigenous people in America for banding together and fighting back against white colonizers who are committing genocide for land? Would you blame them for doing what they need to do to survive and get their land back?
I mean, videos that are few years old where Hamas could have changed vs. tweets from the past few weeks.
Israel is abusing its hostages/prisoners, when it could these same hostages to try to get Hamas to stop fighting back. Hamas also doesn't have to treat its Israeli hostages so well, like taking them to the hospital, but they've still done that. There are also videos of some hostages shaking hands with Hamas and praising them.
I wouldn't be surprised if Israel somehow was behind Hamas losing some people, especially with how Israel has no problem bombing even its own people.
That's why I'm reluctant to accept the idea that they'll just set their guns down to pursue talks of peace. In the video I posted there's a Palestinian woman talking about how she's glad that her son died a martyr. These people are fucking broken. Or are we gonna claim that she's lying?
Do you know what she means by a martyr? I feel like her definition of martyr is different from ours, but I'm going by what Palestinians and Muslims have said. They've called people who were innocent civilians martyrs.
But again, Hamas is fighting back.
But you are incapable of denouncing the horrors committed by Hamas. There's always an excuse. Some reason why it's okay. At this point I'm convinced there's nothing they could do that you wouldn't co-sign. Granted, it's not only you. And I don't think you're doing it because you're a bad person. I think that you're too emotionally attached to the conflict to look at it objectively.
Why would I continue to denounce the horrors or condemn Hamas when even Israeli hostages have defended Hamas? I'm looking at this whole thing objectively, and I've seen plenty to know that Israel is guilty, and Hamas of the past few weeks have likely been scapegoated so Israel can justify genocide. How many times have they bombed or raided a place claiming it's Hamas base only to say somewhere else is, then go after that place and then say Hamas base is elsewhere? I'm not a Palestinian, I have little to no emotional ties to Palestine or their struggle, but I care about lives.
Palestinians have shared pictures of bodies, wounded people, destruction, and so much more. However, all Israel has shared are badly staged bloody pictures where they showed they don't even the faintest knowledge of what dried blood looks like.
From Glasgow to London to Barcelona, many Jewish protesters take on abuse to join pro-Palestinian rallies.
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