Whatever Hamas has done, this abomination you call isr**l have done a million times worse and was pretty consistant at it since its establishment (and up to this moment, it's just kidnapping in a single day).
It's actually disgusting how everyone is turning a blind eye to a genocidal state filled with millions of psychopaths while focusing on freedom fighters all they want is retreiving their lands.
Yeah. We gotta chill with the false dichotomy. It's not "either you're with us or you're against us". Just because I'm not continuously pointing out bad things done by Israelis doesn't mean I'm defending them. And attacking Hamas isn't defending Israel either.
Way too many people are trying to minimize the sheer brutality and savagery that is part of any kidnapping. As if "they kidnapped her but didn't rape her" was that much of a defense (and sure, being kidnapped and raped is magnitudes of orders worse than just getting kidnapped)....
How is that sheer brutality or savagery if the hostages aren't being treated badly or abused? ESPECIALLY when the hostages' own "country" seems to have no problem with friendly fire?
Whatever Hamas has done, this abomination you call isr**l have done a million times worse and was pretty consistant at it since its establishment (and up to this moment, it's just kidnapping in a single day).
It's actually disgusting how everyone is turning a blind eye to a genocidal state filled with millions of psychopaths while focusing on freedom fighters all they want is retreiving their lands.
They're brainwashed and lack critical thinking skills and access to actual information. Israeli hostages could say they weren't raped, Israel could admit they lied about Hamas raping women and beheading babies, and the White House can admit that Biden lied, but as soon as a politician who's known to lie says it's true, people will believe it.
Boeing or its investors probably had too much to lose that they were willing to be scrutinized for his death, if he was murdered in retaliation to whistleblowing.
Still with that nonsense? Generally taking the side of someone violently captured you and locked you up somewhere is seen as a sign of mental illness and should be treated as suspect. let alone in a case like this where everyone is looking for the right propaganda to choke on..
Still with that nonsense? Generally taking the side of someone violently captured you and locked you up somewhere is seen as a sign of mental illness and should be treated as suspect. let alone in a case like this where everyone is looking for the right propaganda to choke on..
I don't know if you're slow or if you're just being ignorant on purpose, but the main message here is that even though Hamas kidnapped Israelis, they are still treating them well, even better than Zionists treating their own people or Palestinians. Main reason why this is important to note is because Israel and USA keep trying to paint Hamas as evil and violent in order to keep justifying their violence and genocide. Russia did to Ukraine very similarly to what Israel is doing to Palestine, and yet despite actual Nazis and racist Ukrainians, they're still getting support from USA.
In another news, the USA gov't voted to ban TikTok in few months unless the Chinese owners sell it, which is absolute bullshit.
They're brainwashed and lack critical thinking skills and access to actual information. Israeli hostages could say they weren't raped, Israel could admit they lied about Hamas raping women and beheading babies, and the White House can admit that Biden lied, but as soon as a politician who's known to lie says it's true, people will believe it.
Always the same pattern :
-reading some BS from some very reliable sources (Fox news, CNN, etc).
-Spreading the BS as if it's the truth.
-Treating Hamas as savages, mentally ill, etc, even calling them terrorists.
....
Then, dismissing the fact that they're genocide supporters.
Repeat the cycle.
I don't know if you're slow or if you're just being ignorant on purpose, but the main message here is that even though Hamas kidnapped Israelis, they are still treating them well, even better than Zionists treating their own people or Palestinians. Main reason why this is important to note is because Israel and USA keep trying to paint Hamas as evil and violent in order to keep justifying their violence and genocide. Russia did to Ukraine very similarly to what Israel is doing to Palestine, and yet despite actual Nazis and racist Ukrainians, they're still getting support from USA.
In another news, the USA gov't voted to ban TikTok in few months unless the Chinese owners sell it, which is absolute bullshit.
Ok, I had to scour the internet for this one and it didn't disappoint. Where is a source that says mia schem said those things? Wikipedia of all things:
And the article reads:
Schem’s more recent report differs significantly from her initial reports on her captivity. She initially described being treated with care and hospitality. Schem was recorded while being transported back to Israel in a Red Cross vehicle, stating in English that everyone had been very kind and the food was very good during her time as a hostage.[7]
I am compelled to point out that segment has a rather weird tone for a wikipedia article. And the source takes you to this site:
I was unable to find an earlier source than that at least. And the video shows... the girl being handed out by hamas to the red cross. The video where she says hamas treated her well by all appearances was filmed by hamas and naturally she was surrounded by them. On youtube you have other videos commenting on this but even those have the disclaimer "Video released by hamas". And after this as far as I can tell she never said hamas was kind to her or anything of the sort.
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I don't really understand the tik tok debate. The US government's stance is that the CCP pretty much uses tik tok to spy on the US. So.. why is it unreasonable to ban it? Is the US government so utterly incompetent and inept that it took this long and even then the measure is this... tamed? Or in the US government being accused of lying on this specific issue?
Still with that nonsense? Generally taking the side of someone violently captured you and locked you up somewhere is seen as a sign of mental illness and should be treated as suspect. let alone in a case like this where everyone is looking for the right propaganda to choke on..
I don't know if you're slow or if you're just being ignorant on purpose, but the main message here is that even though Hamas kidnapped Israelis, they are still treating them well, even better than Zionists treating their own people or Palestinians. Main reason why this is important to note is because Israel and USA keep trying to paint Hamas as evil and violent in order to keep justifying their violence and genocide. Russia did to Ukraine very similarly to what Israel is doing to Palestine, and yet despite actual Nazis and racist Ukrainians, they're still getting support from USA.
CNN, Fox news, etc, BS doesn't prove anything.
You beleving in zionist controlled media only shows how brainwashed you're. The level of slander reached new heights.
(as a matter of fact, Mandella, Vietcong, Washington, etc, were also labeled terrorists for the crime of fighting to free their countries).
Hamas walked up to a music festival, murdered some 400 people and took god knows how many hostages. It's not a CNN or fox news things either, survivors of the event (which had people from a lot of countries) went back and in a lot of places made the news. At least in my country survivors made it back and told rather visceral stories about the day. This isn't a situation of either hamas is a terrorist organization OR israel is vile. Hamas is a terrorist organization AND what israel is doing in displacing or killing palestinians over the past 80 years is vile.
Proof
The only references we've got either showed IDF bombing everyone with their drones/military planes or admitting that the deaths occured due to Hamas exchanging fire with IDF.
The rest is just baseless western headlines without evidence.
As a matter of factc, IDF is well known for its complete carelessness about the lives of their own civilians or even soldiers. Killing a potential hostage comes before saving him. It shouldn't be surprising that the majority of the 1400 deaths occured by what they call friendly fire.
Proof
The only evidences we've got either showed IDF bombing everyone with their drones/military planes or admitting that the deaths occured due to Hamas exchanging fire with IDF.
The rest of baseless western headlines are BS.
As a matter of factc, IDF is well known for its complete carelessness about the lives of their own civilians or even soldiers. Killing a potential hostage comes before saving him.
You want proof of the music festival massacre? I mean, you don't have to dive too deep into the internet for hundreds of sources for that with a ton of eyewitness accounts. Given how things have played out I don't think israel's army would prioritize hostage safety over exploding hamas but that doesn't make the music festival stuff less real. Even people from my shithole country were there and as I said, they told very visceral stories about what hamas did there (pretty much shot and kill randomly).
Proof
The only references we've got either showed IDF bombing everyone with their drones/military planes or admitting that the deaths occured due to Hamas exchanging fire with IDF.
The rest is just baseless western headlines without evidence.
As a matter of factc, IDF is well known for its complete carelessness about the lives of their own civilians or even soldiers. Killing a potential hostage comes before saving him. It shouldn't be surprising that the majority of the 1400 deaths occured by what they call friendly fire.
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LOL
As if the simple word "vile" is doing justice to the attrocities this abomination have been doing for the past 8 decades.
Ok, I had to scour the internet for this one and it didn't disappoint. Where is a source that says mia schem said those things? Wikipedia of all things:
And the article reads:
Schem’s more recent report differs significantly from her initial reports on her captivity. She initially described being treated with care and hospitality. Schem was recorded while being transported back to Israel in a Red Cross vehicle, stating in English that everyone had been very kind and the food was very good during her time as a hostage.[7]
I am compelled to point out that segment has a rather weird tone for a wikipedia article. And the source takes you to this site:
I was unable to find an earlier source than that at least. And the video shows... the girl being handed out by hamas to the red cross. The video where she says hamas treated her well by all appearances was filmed by hamas and naturally she was surrounded by them. On youtube you have other videos commenting on this but even those have the disclaimer "Video released by hamas". And after this as far as I can tell she never said hamas was kind to her or anything of the sort.
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I don't really understand the tik tok debate. The US government's stance is that the CCP pretty much uses tik tok to spy on the US. So.. why is it unreasonable to ban it? Is the US government so utterly incompetent and inept that it took this long and even then the measure is this... tamed? Or in the US government being accused of lying on this specific issue?
Have you seen the US interrogate the owner of TikTok? I think one of them admitted that they want TikTok banned or under their control because they're the ones who want to steal the data, and they don't like how TikTok actually exposes the truth, like with what's going on in Palestine. They want control to keep people brainwashed. And apparently, AIPAC or Israel has been trying to get US to ban TikTok as well, and as is Meta but for greedy reasons.
US gov't is accused of lying and double standards. if they really cared about protecting American's privacy, they would be trying to take down Meta, who has been caught gathering data and selling it multiple times, as well as Twitter, not to name other social media platforms.
I can reverse that and say that Israel told her to do an 180, which seems to make sense seeing what she's been doing.
She's not the only one to say good things about Hamas, there are other former hostages that seemed to get along well.
Interestingly, despite being terrorists, Hamas did not hurt their hostages and even protected them from ISRAEL'S indiscriminate bombing. They took care of them when they didn't have to. If one thinks logically, which I don't expect from people who are obsessed with calling Hamas terrorists while ignoring Israel's acts of violence, as long as hostages are alive, it doesn't matter what shape they're in. Hamas could have even tortured some of them to get Israel to comply, but they did.
Israel however, has actually raped its prisoners, starved them, beaten them, allowed them to die, and killed them, even if their prisoners were kids or elderly. Almost everything Israel accuses Hamas of, they've been guilty themselves.
Funny how Palestinian prisoners have nothing good to say about Zionists, but Israeli hostages praise Hamas.
Hamas walked up to a music festival, murdered some 400 people and took god knows how many hostages. It's not a CNN or fox news things either, survivors of the event (which had people from a lot of countries) went back and in a lot of places made the news. At least in my country survivors made it back and told rather visceral stories about the day. This isn't a situation of either hamas is a terrorist organization OR israel is vile. Hamas is a terrorist organization AND what israel is doing in displacing or killing palestinians over the past 80 years is vile.
Many of us condemned them for murdering people, but then even Israeli hostages have called out IOF soldiers on firing indiscriminately and likely hurting or killing their own people. If Hamas or Israeli hostages confirm Hamas was the one who did most of the massacre, then I shall condemn them again but won't judge Palestinians who refuse to condemn them as Israel continues to do worse to them every day than what Hamas allegedly did on one day.
Israel is more of a terrorist organization than Hamas. Hamas was created in response to Israel's violence. They weren't created just because they didn't like Jewish people, they were created because Zionists were committing genocide (Nakba?) and pushing Palestinians out of their homes and off their land, violently. Again, I purposely read Israel's version of their history, and they imply the same thing while trying to make themselves look good.
And for a terrorist organization, Hamas has not hurt or abused some/most of their hostages. Given the image they already have to those who don't think critically, why would they care about their hostages being in good shape as long as they're alive?
Very light words to use for a country that's been raping, torturing, starving, bombing, and killing innocent people of all age, whether babies or adults. And ironic if you think Hamas are terrorists but Israel is just... vile. not to mention the Zionists are more anti-Semitic than Palestinians.
I've seen many podcasts and material about it, none of them shows footage of Hamas fighters doing what they've been slandered for.
All we've got is zionists trying to inforce their agenda throughout their usual channels with basless BS talk.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, Israel is full of suveilliance cameras, why wouldn't they show us part of it to prove their claims ?
Hamas is THE "terrorist", inhuman, mentally ill meanwhile the abomination is just "vile". Your choice of words already shows the level of brainwashing.
If they called out Israel as much as they talk about Hamas on Oct 7 (which is the only thing any anti-Hamas people have in terms of recent event, really), then maybe they'd be trustworthy. But as far as I know, majority, if not all of them, gloss over what Israel does and either believe the lies Israel and Biden share or stick to their lies despite Israel and White House admitting there's no proof or that they exaggerated numbers.
And despite what Hamas did or didn't do on Oct 7, it does not justify a genocide and deliberate starving and torturing of Palestinians. Zionists and even fucked up Zionist citizens are blocking trucks from getting to Palestine! How is that defensible when there are literal babies being starved? And on top of that, people that have the most to say about Hamas did not say much, if anything, on IOF deliberately killing newborn babies or letting them die when they invaded hospitals.
Also, if Hamas is as dangerous as they say, then why are celebs happily going to Israel? Why aren't they scared? Then you have idiots like Rapaport or whatever going to safe cities in Israel and claiming there's no Apartheid or genocide, but none of them have been to West Bank or Gaza. I wonder why. Is it because they know they'd get killed by Israel or because it'd give more people proof of how evil Israel is?
She's not the only one to say good things about Hamas, there are other former hostages that seemed to get along well.
Interestingly, despite being terrorists, Hamas did not hurt their hostages and even protected them from ISRAEL'S indiscriminate bombing. They took care of them when they didn't have to. If one thinks logically, which I don't expect from people who are obsessed with calling Hamas terrorists while ignoring Israel's acts of violence, as long as hostages are alive, it doesn't matter what shape they're in. Hamas could have even tortured some of them to get Israel to comply, but they did.
To be clear: are you claiming you have a source that proves Hamas hasn't been raping or killing any of their hostages?
Israel however, has actually raped its prisoners, starved them, beaten them, allowed them to die, and killed them, even if their prisoners were kids or elderly. Almost everything Israel accuses Hamas of, they've been guilty themselves.
There is nothing Israel has done to Palestinian hostages that Hamas has not done to Israeli hostages, including rape and murder. And I want to emphasize something that seems to have tricked you, but hasn't tricked anyone who understands what the purpose of hostages are: Hostages are CURRENCY. They are bargaining chips for people who have nothing else to bargain with. Hamas can't accomplish anything without hostages because they have no advantage in this conflict otherwise.
Hamas needs Israel to believe that Hamas can be trusted to return hostages whole and safe, because if they don't, then negotiation won't be possible. Understand? If Israel received hostages back who have been raped daily and had limbs cut off, the immediate response would be vengeance, not patience, let alone compromise. They're not treating hostages well because they're good people. They're treating them well because it's their only advantage.
It's the other way arround. You are not guilty until proven otherwise.
Atm, we've no evidence of Hamas commiting rape and deliberate murder. So, they didn't commit it, period.
