American Politics

[M3J]

 

[kkck]

It's not a media or political class thing. Israel is a country that is literally and in every way an ally to the US and EU. Pasletine simply isn't.

 

[M3J]

Which is why politicians and media are siding with Israel and ignoring their committing genocide. I hope this doesn't turn into another war, we don't need any more innocent people murdered.

 

[kkck]

I mean, yeah. But it's not an instance of media lying or anything of the sort. It's just countries acting how you'd expect.

 

[M3J]

It's media omitting facts and being biased, which leads to stuff like how they report the events, which in turn influences citizens. A lot of Dems/Biden supporters think Hamas is the problem and Israel is defending itself, and that Biden isn't a problem, so they'll support Israel and Biden. If they knew Israel is committing genocide and attacking other countries, then they could try to use their power of their votes to stop Biden from helping Israel and make him start holding Israel accountable. Most likely wouldn't happen, or he'd do fishy things behind the scenes but there's a possibility he'd try to stop Israel.

 

[xi0]

I mean, yeah. But it's not an instance of media lying or anything of the sort. It's just countries acting how you'd expect.

Yeah but the media isn't a country with security interests. Their job is to report facts. Their interests shouldn't align with the US State Department........ wait nvm, that's kind of the norm ever since Reagan, my bad.

 

[Raven]

All the videos I saw so far is fake, and the legit sources confirms zero casualties lmao.

 

[ninjabot]

 

[xi0]

Biden looks like a diplomatic genius to who, exactly?

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To me Biden looks like the owner of a rabid attack dog that's allowing said dog to make him look inept in an election year. Biden's gambit is that the average American doesn't vote on the basis of whether a candidate is a responsible dog owner or not, but it doesn't change that he's allowed this to hurt his appeal in several key demographics.

 

[M3J]

Biden looks like a diplomatic genius to who, exactly?

To the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" idiots

 

[ninjabot]

Biden looks like a diplomatic genius to who, exactly?

Democrats. The average American doesn't know anything about global relations, so Biden setting out for diplomatic purposes and succeeding in avoiding what both far right and far left media sources have been calling the start of WW3 makes it look like he pulled off a greater feat than he did thanks to their sensationalizing

To me Biden looks like the owner of a rabid attack dog that's allowing said dog to make him look inept in an election year. Biden's gambit is that the average American doesn't vote on the basis of whether a candidate is a responsible dog owner or not, but it doesn't change that he's allowed this to hurt his appeal in several key demographics.

Yeah, but you're not saying that from the perspective of one of the people who make up the vast majority of the Democratic party.

And for the bolded? He's right. Remember the demographic that's most vocal about his Israel support are the very same demographic least likely to vote at all: young people. Pissing off the people who were never gonna vote for you in the first place isn't a drastic loss.

 

[M3J]

 

[ninjabot]

Friendly reminder you're the bad guy if you don't vote Democrat this year!

 

[M3J]

He stole that meme from another dumbass, and it seems whoever agrees with this is okay with innocent people being murdered. Shit like this is why Biden will lose, and it'll be no one's fault but the Dems and their voters.

Irony here is that so many of these groups lost their rights under Biden anyway. Women can't get abortion in several states and if they leave the state to get an abortion, they get punished. Immigrants are still being separated and held at detention centers under bad conditions. LGBT+ people, especially transgender people, saw their rights and safety disappear in several states. And Biden is fueling Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian views and even escalating it by lying and focusing on Hamas while ignoring Israel committing genocide and attacking other countries.

Jeez, Biden has done such a horrible job that the left don't hate Trump as much as they used to, which is quite something.

 

[ninjabot]

He stole that meme from another dumbass, and it seems whoever agrees with this is okay with innocent people being murdered. Shit like this is why Biden will lose, and it'll be no one's fault but the Dems and their voters.

Do you understand what the Trolly Problem is about? It asks the question of whether you would flip the switch to make the trolly run over the one guy, or let it run over the 5 guys instead. What it's trying to determine is where someone's morality lies. The vast majority of people will say it's the morally correct choice to sacrifice one to save the many, making the one person die to avoid killing 5 others. And I agree with it. It has nothing to do with being okay with killing that guy. It's about choosing the least bad thing. The lesser of two evils.

It's the same thing here. You're sacrificing Palestinians to save all of these other demographics. It doesn't mean you're "Okay with it." It means you know what the morally correct choice is.

Irony here is that so many of these groups lost their rights under Biden anyway.

That's not ironic at all. No one's promising the rights of marginalized people are guaranteed under the Democratic party. Only that the Democratic party isn't actively ideologically driven to take those rights away. Women lost Roe v. Wade not because Democrats wanted it gone, but because they failed to protect it while TRYING to protect it. Republicans actively want a nationwide federal ban of abortion and want Trump to do it. They want trans people eradicated. They want to kill DEI. There's no irony here.

 

[hblock]

Leaked NYT Gaza Memo Tells Journalists to Avoid Words “Genocide,” “Ethnic Cleansing,” and “Occupied Territory”

An internal style memo from New York Times editors tells reporters not to use words like “genocide” or “Palestine” when covering Israel’s war on Gaza.

theintercept.com

Says a lot about western mainstream media that some still use as a legit source.

 

[M3J]

The trolley problem is fucking stupid because both Biden can stop the ceasefire, and the bottom part has already happened under him.

There is irony because Dems keep insisting Biden will protect the rights of marginalized people, but he's barely done anything. Wade v Roe would have still stood if Dems codified it, and Biden recently continued Trump's wall building. The level of brainwashing is unreal, you Dems keep ignoring the negatives about Biden like you did with Clinton, and if/when he loses, it'll somehow be the left and Muslims' fault despite them saying they won't vote for him.

 

[ninjabot]

The trolley problem is fucking stupid because both Biden can stop the ceasefire, and the bottom part has already happened under him.

No, it hasn't "already happened under him". Things haven't gotten as bad as they can be yet. Roe v. Wade was lost, but Republicans haven't gotten a federal ban on abortion everywhere yet. And that's what they want. It can get so much worse. The abortion bans we've seen so far has only been in certain states. If we lose this election then we lose it in every single state, everywhere.

Is that what you want?

There is irony because Dems keep insisting Biden will protect the rights of marginalized people, but he's barely done anything. Wade v Roe would have still stood if Dems codified it, and Biden recently continued Trump's wall building. The level of brainwashing is unreal, you Dems keep ignoring the negatives about Biden like you did with Clinton, and if/when he loses, it'll somehow be the left and Muslims' fault despite them saying they won't vote for him.

I'm not ignoring any negatives about Biden. I never said he was perfect, I simply said that he's better than Trump. And yes, it will be the fault of every American that didn't vote for Biden if he loses, because the only way to win an election is with votes. That bullshit "He didn't give me a reason to vote for him" excuse is a lie.

 

[xi0]

Democrats. The average American doesn't know anything about global relations, so Biden setting out for diplomatic purposes and succeeding in avoiding what both far right and far left media sources have been calling the start of WW3 makes it look like he pulled off a greater feat than he did thanks to their sensationalizing

There's at least a sizeable portion of average Americans that doesn't trust much of what the media says anyway. So calling WW3 not happening a victory for Biden's image is a stretch.

Yeah, but you're not saying that from the perspective of one of the people who make up the vast majority of the Democratic party.

And for the bolded? He's right. Remember the demographic that's most vocal about his Israel support are the very same demographic least likely to vote at all: young people. Pissing off the people who were never gonna vote for you in the first place isn't a drastic loss.

You can say my perspective isn't common, and maybe it isn't, but my demographic is. Plus, did I not start that sentence with "To me"?

I didn't say whether he was right or wrong, but it will have an affect on the support he gets from muslim voters which could be key in some places. Also, treating the lack of support from young people as not being a drastic loss... well, I hope for his sake that it's true. Much of how Biden has handled this issue is an unforced error. No one gives a fuck if he's cursing Netanyahu privately. If he's as much of a dyed in the wool zionist has it seems and he's willing to flirt with the prospect of him losing over his policy towards a rogue state that makes him look like an inept fool and flirting with that outcome given the state of this country and what the opposition says they want to accomplish, then that is insanely irresponsible.

 

[M3J]

No, it hasn't "already happened under him". Things haven't gotten as bad as they can be yet. Roe v. Wade was lost, but Republicans haven't gotten a federal ban on abortion everywhere yet. And that's what they want. It can get so much worse. The abortion bans we've seen so far has only been in certain states. If we lose this election then we lose it in every single state, everywhere.

Is that what you want?



I'm not ignoring any negatives about Biden. I never said he was perfect, I simply said that he's better than Trump. And yes, it will be the fault of every American that didn't vote for Biden if he loses, because the only way to win an election is with votes. That bullshit "He didn't give me a reason to vote for him" excuse is a lie.

Why didn't it happen under Trump? The abortion ban got further under Biden than it did Trump, as well as other rights having been lost.

So far, Biden has not proven to be better than Trump. In most cases, he's proven to be just as bad, if not worse. If Dems choose to stick with Biden despite being warned months in advance that he won't get votes, then it's their fault, not the people who refuse to vote for a genocidal liar. Biden needs to earn votes, not demand it just because of this silly delusion that he's better than Trump.

But then again, the main difference between Dems and GOP is that Dems pretend to be for minorities and marginalized people while GOP are openly bigoted.