American Politics

[xi0]

There's at least a sizeable portion of average Americans that doesn't trust much of what the media says anyway. So calling WW3 not happening a victory for Biden's image is a stretch.

Welp.... maybe the jury is still out on that one

 

[ninjabot]

Why didn't it happen under Trump? The abortion ban got further under Biden than it did Trump, as well as other rights having been lost.

Because:
They didn't have the votes to discard Roe or Casey until Biden's presidency. They played the long game until they had the power to act.

So far, Biden has not proven to be better than Trump. In most cases, he's proven to be just as bad, if not worse. If Dems choose to stick with Biden despite being warned months in advance that he won't get votes, then it's their fault, not the people who refuse to vote for a genocidal liar. Biden needs to earn votes, not demand it just because of this silly delusion that he's better than Trump.

This is just false.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats

Unless you think any of these accomplishments are bad that is.

And yes it is the fault of the people that won't vote for the genocidal liar, because that genocide has nothing to do with American politics. If you don't care about America you can just say so. Or rather, if you care about Palestine more than America. That's more accurate.

But then again, the main difference between Dems and GOP is that Dems pretend to be for minorities and marginalized people while GOP are openly bigoted.

Even if that was the biggest example of differences between the two, that still would make Democrats better than Republicans because they make minorities feel like there's someone out there who has their backs. I've never once in my life saw Republicans as more than an enemie. And Democrats as the better of two evils. But that "better" part is the key part.

 

[xi0]

Why didn't it happen under Trump? The abortion ban got further under Biden than it did Trump, as well as other rights having been lost.

So far, Biden has not proven to be better than Trump. In most cases, he's proven to be just as bad, if not worse. If Dems choose to stick with Biden despite being warned months in advance that he won't get votes, then it's their fault, not the people who refuse to vote for a genocidal liar. Biden needs to earn votes, not demand it just because of this silly delusion that he's better than Trump.

But then again, the main difference between Dems and GOP is that Dems pretend to be for minorities and marginalized people while GOP are openly bigoted.

We can blame Biden for a lot but the make-up of the Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade isn't one of them. (we can probably blame the DNC though)

The genocide Biden condones can overshadow a lot of the positives he may have accomplished, but that doesn't make him worse than Trump.

 

[ninjabot]

There's at least a sizeable portion of average Americans that doesn't trust much of what the media says anyway. So calling WW3 not happening a victory for Biden's image is a stretch.

Yeah, but what side of the political compass do you think these "skeptics" lie on? Lefties didn't turn into Q-anon until last October.

You can say my perspective isn't common, and maybe it isn't, but my demographic is. Plus, did I not start that sentence with "To me"?

Sure, but I interpreted that as "This is how it looks to me, and since I'm a part of (insert demographic), you should be concerned the rest of my fellow (insert demographic) will see it this way too."

I didn't say whether he was right or wrong, but it will have an affect on the support he gets from muslim voters which could be key in some places. Also, treating the lack of support from young people as not being a drastic loss... well, I hope for his sake that it's true. Much of how Biden has handled this issue is an unforced error. No one gives a fuck if he's cursing Netanyahu privately. If he's as much of a dyed in the wool zionist has it seems then he's willing to flirt with the prospect of him losing over his policy towards a rogue state that makes him look like an inept fool. And flirting with that outcome given the state of this country and what the opposition says they want to accomplish is insanely irresponsible.

Well yeah, sure. I know it takes as many votes as one can get to win, and losing any votes is a negative. I'm just not positive it's negative enough. I don't think there are that many voting Muslims in America that they can shift the win to Trump. I DO think there are probably more Jews in America. I think any discontent among Muslims will be negated via Jewish mobilization, older Democrats who actually vote, and women and progressives that want abortion protections.

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We can blame Biden for a lot but the make-up of the Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade isn't one of them. (we can probably blame the DNC though)

Yep.

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Okay.

7.5 million Jews in America. 64% lean Democrat https://www.pewresearch.org/religio...religious-tradition/jewish/party-affiliation/
3.45 Muslims in America. 62% typically lean Democrat https://www.pewresearch.org/religio...religious-tradition/muslim/party-affiliation/

I think this was from 2021. Surely things have changed recently though. I think that Muslims that don't want to vote Biden, won't vote Trump. They'll just abstain from voting because well... they're usually more Democratic. It's hard to vote for a political party that hates your religion, thinks you're evil, and don't want you serving in the military. And Jews? I think people that normally wouldn't vote in that middle section, will move in and help because Biden is showing support for their people. So a lot of the lost Muslim votes may be corrected by an influx of Jewish votes.

Maybe. Hopefully.

 

[xi0]

Yeah, but what side of the political compass do you think these "skeptics" lie on? Lefties didn't turn into Q-anon until last October.

It's more endemic to the right wing, but I think particularly because of the media landscape in regards to Gaza, more and more people on the left are aware of the use of things like passive voice, genocide apologia, or outright lies.

What does "turn into Q-anon" even mean? Is it an honest thing to compare pizzagate or jewish space lasers to 100k+ casualties?

Sure, but I interpreted that as "This is how it looks to me, and since I'm a part of (insert demographic), you should be concerned the rest of my fellow (insert demographic) will see it this way too."

I wouldn't be a part of the young demographic, well maybe compared to boomers and retirees. But yeah, I think Biden and his campaign should have had the savvy to very quickly know that his administration's approach to the issue wouldn't be popular. Democrats crush when young voters show up, it's an axiom. If you don't care enough about that then you're banking on margins that no one would confidently count on, especially not against Trump. And of course that's not even considering their approach being morally reprehensible, but it's not like that's relevant to either party.

Well yeah, sure. I know it takes as many votes as one can get to win, and losing any votes is a negative. I'm just not positive it's negative enough. I don't think there are that many voting Muslims in America that they can shift the win to Trump. I DO think there are probably more Jews in America. I think any discontent among Muslims will be negated via Jewish mobilization, older Democrats who actually vote, and women and progressives that want abortion protections.

They have a relevant voting bloc in a potential swing state like Michigan. There's also evidence that increased voter turnout among muslim voters in Arizona and Georgia made a difference in 2020. So unless you feel like there's no way that the election will be close, it is a relevant amount of voters. It's also worth noting that while the majority of muslim voters voted for Biden in 2020, Trump received a higher percentage of votes then compared to what he got in 2016.

Also, I don't have a good way to quantify how much "Jewish mobilization" is a factor here. Netanyahu isn't popular, Jews that find Israel relevant to them as Americans is a shrinking demographic, as are Orthodox Jews.

 

[M3J]

Because:
They didn't have the votes to discard Roe or Casey until Biden's presidency. They played the long game until they had the power to act.



This is just false.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats

Unless you think any of these accomplishments are bad that is.

And yes it is the fault of the people that won't vote for the genocidal liar, because that genocide has nothing to do with American politics. If you don't care about America you can just say so. Or rather, if you care about Palestine more than America. That's more accurate.



Even if that was the biggest example of differences between the two, that still would make Democrats better than Republicans because they make minorities feel like there's someone out there who has their backs. I've never once in my life saw Republicans as more than an enemie. And Democrats as the better of two evils. But that "better" part is the key part.

Quite a few minorities now don't feel like Dems or any politician has their backs anymore, not when people who speak against the genocide get punished for it while Zionists who call for more genocide still have their jobs. As I said, LGBT+ people and women in several states have lost protection, and people of color are still facing racism, especially from cops who have seen their funding go up by the same party that said they were defunding police.

A lot of these accomplishments are negated by stuff like shortening isolation time for covid and etc. So again, it's not the fault of people that won't vote for a genocidal liar, and if America truly is a democratic country, then these same people shouldn't be forced or harassed into voting for a president that's allowing violence to happen. And the genocide has everything to do with American politics. Palestinian supporters are being attacked, harassed, doxxed, and murdered, and USA keeps sending Israel billions of dollars and weapons so they can murder innocent people, while doing very little to help American people.

If you care about America then this should disturb you. If you're moral and better than Trump or his cult like you claim to be, you should care about Biden encouraging a genocide. If you don't want Trump to win, you should be wanting Dems to replace Biden with a better candidate.

We can blame Biden for a lot but the make-up of the Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade isn't one of them. (we can probably blame the DNC though)

The genocide Biden condones can overshadow a lot of the positives he may have accomplished, but that doesn't make him worse than Trump.

I didn't blame Biden for that, I just said it happened under him. I blame Trump because he's the one that packed the court with conservatives, but couldn't Biden have done more, or looked like he was doing his best?

It's not just the genocide, but stuff like barely cancelling student loans, not doing much about rising costs, and sending Ukraine and Israel billions of dollars while barely helping Americans.

Also, has Biden done more to help migrants that were/are being separated and thrown in buildings?

Sure, but I interpreted that as "This is how it looks to me, and since I'm a part of (insert demographic), you should be concerned the rest of my fellow (insert demographic) will see it this way too."

That is/was me esp back in Oct as I was and am still not keen on Trump winning.

 

[kkck]

There was not much biden could have done in regards to roe v wade. He is a president, he has no power over SCOTUS. Him trying to interfere with scotus stuff would be deeply problematic (as in, ending your form of governance problematic)... Democrats fucked up with roe v wade because once they got it they left it at that. They should have gone on to create laws to regulate this which they arguably had over the past several decades. It's a massive failure of governance for democrats over decades.

 

[ninjabot]

What does "turn into Q-anon" even mean? Is it an honest thing to compare pizzagate or jewish space lasers to 100k+ casualties?

I'm referring to the Left's newfound love for alternative news sources and unwillingness to accept mainstream ones because it's "fake news" perpetuated by Zionist Jews. It used to be Q-anon scapegoating Jews for a top-down evil conspiracy.

I wouldn't be a part of the young demographic, well maybe compared to boomers and retirees. But yeah, I think Biden and his campaign should have had the savvy to very quickly know that his administration's approach to the issue wouldn't be popular. Democrats crush when young voters show up, it's an axiom. If you don't care enough about that then you're banking on margins that no one would confidently count on, especially not against Trump. And of course that's not even considering their approach being morally reprehensible, but it's not like that's relevant to either party.

I'm sure they knew it wouldn't be popular... but they underestimated how loud those who disliked Biden's approach would be. And it's not yet determined just how bad of a hit Biden'll take because we won't know just how many young voters will change their minds in the time from October 7th to voting day. It's a crap shoot. These voters have girlfriends... wives, daughters, and sisters. And some of them are women themselves. They've got some introspection to do, and as far as me banking on margins I shouldn't count on... well, I could say the same thing to college kids that think Biden losing the election will help Palestinians in ANY way whatsoever.

They have a relevant voting bloc in a potential swing state like Michigan. There's also evidence that increased voter turnout among muslim voters in Arizona and Georgia made a difference in 2020. So unless you feel like there's no way that the election will be close, it is a relevant amount of voters. It's also worth noting that while the majority of muslim voters voted for Biden in 2020, Trump received a higher percentage of votes then compared to what he got in 2016.

I'll admit I didn't take into consideration a swing state having a large Muslim population. Apparently in 2023, of the 110,000 people in Dearborn Michigan, 55 percent are Arab. Gonna go out on a limb and assume Michigan doesn't have a huge Jewish population.

Also, I don't have a good way to quantify how much "Jewish mobilization" is a factor here. Netanyahu isn't popular, Jews that find Israel relevant to them as Americans is a shrinking demographic, as are Orthodox Jews.

I can't put a direct number on it, but Jews are notoriously community-driven and especially focused on the flourishing of their people. I don't think Netanyahu can change that.

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If you care about America then this should disturb you. If you're moral and better than Trump or his cult like you claim to be, you should care about Biden encouraging a genocide. If you don't want Trump to win, you should be wanting Dems to replace Biden with a better candidate.

How do you replace the current president with a new candidate without them choosing to step down as president?

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Welp.

I have set myself on fire outside the Trump Trial.

My name is Max Azzarello, and I am an investigative researcher who has set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial in Manhattan.

theponzipapers.substack.com

 

[kkck]

I wonder what it is with some folk thinking everything is a ponzi scheme... How can bitcoin even be a ponzi scheme?

 

[ninjabot]

My guess is it's the same mindstate that convinces you everything is a deep state op to control your freedoms. I really don't like this "anything I don't like is done by a cabal of evil people who are out to get me" mindstate.

 

[Newkerzy]

I wonder what it is with some folk thinking everything is a ponzi scheme... How can bitcoin even be a ponzi scheme?

As suspect as the way bitcoin works, it definitely ain’t a ponzi scheme.

 

[M3J]

There was not much biden could have done in regards to roe v wade. He is a president, he has no power over SCOTUS. Him trying to interfere with scotus stuff would be deeply problematic (as in, ending your form of governance problematic)... Democrats fucked up with roe v wade because once they got it they left it at that. They should have gone on to create laws to regulate this which they arguably had over the past several decades. It's a massive failure of governance for democrats over decades.

Exactly, Dems did not codify Roe v Wade, which was finally shot down under Biden. Dems have shot themselves in the foot many times so far to the point that it makes no sense for them to demand votes just because "hurr durr better than Trump!"
Would be funny if they were underestimating Trump and his fucked up cult again.


If this is true, and if a lot of those yeses came from Dems, then yikes.

 

[catagon87]

Why didn't it happen under Trump? The abortion ban got further under Biden than it did Trump, as well as other rights having been lost.

We can blame Biden for a lot but the make-up of the Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade isn't one of them. (we can probably blame the DNC though)

The only person you can blame for the overturning of Roe v. Wade is RBG. Ginsburg knew she should have stepped down when Obama was still in office. She literally decided to play roulette with the country's future at stake with nothing the lose and landed us Barrett.

Republicans had been salivating over the potential overturning of Roe v. Wade for decades, and only needed one more justice to get it, which Ginsburg knew.

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So far, Biden has not proven to be better than Trump. In most cases, he's proven to be just as bad, if not worse. If Dems choose to stick with Biden despite being warned months in advance that he won't get votes, then it's their fault, not the people who refuse to vote for a genocidal liar. Biden needs to earn votes, not demand it just because of this silly delusion that he's better than Trump.

Biden isn't perfect and nobody thought he was going to be perfect. I don't think it's fair to say he's "not better than Trump" though. In the context of certain issues they are the same, sure, but there from an objective point of view:

• Nepotism in the Government was at all time highs with Trump
• Trump has a habit of cozying up to our enemies and alienating our friends - he literally says he wants to withdraw from NATO
• There's some pretty big indicators that Trump is actually compromised by foreign Governments
• No form of loan forgiveness would have ever made it past Trump, yet has from Biden

Biden is an old-AF white dude and it was never thought he was going to be some huge bringer of change. He was literally the "anyone but Trump" candidate that Democrats could muster.

Idealism only gets you so far in this world. Handing Trump an election because you think Biden hasn't done enough is like slapping yourself in the face because someone else pissed you off.

 

[M3J]

The only person you can blame for the overturning of Roe v. Wade is RBG. Ginsburg knew she should have stepped down when Obama was still in office. She literally decided to play roulette with the country's future at stake with nothing the lose and landed us Barrett.

Republicans had been salivating over the potential overturning of Roe v. Wade for decades, and only needed one more justice to get it, which Ginsburg knew.

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Biden isn't perfect and nobody thought he was going to be perfect. I don't think it's fair to say he's "not better than Trump" though. In the context of certain issues they are the same, sure, but there from an objective point of view:

• Nepotism in the Government was at all time highs with Trump
• Trump has a habit of cozying up to our enemies and alienating our friends - he literally says he wants to withdraw from NATO
• There's some pretty big indicators that Trump is actually compromised by foreign Governments
• No form of loan forgiveness would have ever made it past Trump, yet has from Biden

Biden is an old-AF white dude and it was never thought he was going to be some huge bringer of change. He was literally the "anyone but Trump" candidate that Democrats could muster.

Idealism only gets you so far in this world. Handing Trump an election because you think Biden hasn't done enough is like slapping yourself in the face because someone else pissed you off.

Was she not a Democrat? This does not help the Dems at all, because it still comes down to them either not codifying Roe v Wade or not stepping down when they should have.


Lot of left and young people, the reasons why he won, voted for him because Biden supporters/Dems convinced us that he could be pushed to the left. We never expected him to be perfect, but we trusted him to do things like cancel student loans, be tougher on handling covid, and protect the rights of minorities. Failed on those accounts, one way or another.

Didn't Biden get caught with documents in his home or something? And Biden's loan forgiveness is still not enough, especially given what he promised, and likely because he knows he's in trouble. That's like me promising to do you a favor back when you do me a favor, but then refusing when your life depends on that favor.

Why can't Dems just replace Biden and Harris with someone else, if they care about winning?

 

[catagon87]

Was she not a Democrat? This does not help the Dems at all, because it still comes down to them either not codifying Roe v Wade or not stepping down when they should have.

She was a Democrat, but my point is that you do what you can with the power you have. Codifying Roe V Wade is not something a single person can do. She had the power to nearly guarantee Democrats don't dip to less than four justices on the Supreme Court and she squandered it for her own selfish idealism.

Lot of left and young people, the reasons why he won, voted for him because Biden supporters/Dems convinced us that he could be pushed to the left. We never expected him to be perfect, but we trusted him to do things like cancel student loans, be tougher on handling covid, and protect the rights of minorities. Failed on those accounts, one way or another.

Didn't Biden get caught with documents in his home or something? And Biden's loan forgiveness is still not enough, especially given what he promised, and likely because he knows he's in trouble. That's like me promising to do you a favor back when you do me a favor, but then refusing when your life depends on that favor.

Why can't Dems just replace Biden and Harris with someone else, if they care about winning?

How do you expect Biden to be even remotely effective further left than he already is with the current political make up? He entered office with a Republican Senate Majority, then it shifted to a split Senate with Republican control in the House. The fact that any loans were forgiven in this political environment is a win. If you want to blame someone for not codifying Roe V Wade then blame the Democrats of the 2000's who squandered their super majority.

 

[kkck]

Playing devil's advocate here, if she quit for ideological reasons to ensure an ideological tilt of the SCOTUS, which is supposed to be impartial, is not a healthy development for it. Of course, nowadays there's no pretense that the SCOTUS mostly votes on ideological lines rather than the spirit of the law but at the time RBG was around things weren't as they are now (though I'll maintain that roe v wade was pretty wonky). Big picture what you have is no real attempts to make scotus work better and democrats being unprincipled corporate hacks that can't or won't do anything to make the government work better.

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On that note, it seems like DJT stock continues to hold up. Trump fanatics are committed to the meme...

 

[ninjabot]

Biden is an old-AF white dude and it was never thought he was going to be some huge bringer of change. He was literally the "anyone but Trump" candidate that Democrats could muster.

Idealism only gets you so far in this world. Handing Trump an election because you think Biden hasn't done enough is like slapping yourself in the face because someone else pissed you off.

This, so much. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Because perfect will never win, since it's an impossible ideal to achieve. Incrementalism isn't a dirty word.

 

[catagon87]

This is a huge win for workers in the USA.

 

[M3J]

She was a Democrat, but my point is that you do what you can with the power you have. Codifying Roe V Wade is not something a single person can do. She had the power to nearly guarantee Democrats don't dip to less than four justices on the Supreme Court and she squandered it for her own selfish idealism.



How do you expect Biden to be even remotely effective further left than he already is with the current political make up? He entered office with a Republican Senate Majority, then it shifted to a split Senate with Republican control in the House. The fact that any loans were forgiven in this political environment is a win. If you want to blame someone for not codifying Roe V Wade then blame the Democrats of the 2000's who squandered their super majority.

Democrats had the power multiple times to do it but refused to. They're hurting themselves here and giving people less and less incentive to vote for them. The pro-Dem arguments are not helping at all.


He can fight for stuff or at least look like he's trying to fight. Plus, if Trump can do executive orders, then so can Biden

 

[catagon87]

Democrats had the power multiple times to do it but refused to. They're hurting themselves here and giving people less and less incentive to vote for them. The pro-Dem arguments are not helping at all.


He can fight for stuff or at least look like he's trying to fight. Plus, if Trump can do executive orders, then so can Biden

The only time in the past few decades this would have made any sense as a possibility would have been the brief period when Obama was in office where Democrats had a super-majority. It's been too split ever since. The closest Democrats have come to having both the House and Senate (which would both be required) was a complete split where Harris would have been the deciding vote, but a split vote on such an issue would be unlikely due to the fact that there are likely a few Democrats who wouldn't support codifying Roe V Wade.

Biden has issued executive orders for things like loan forgiveness, but those are not all-powerful. Congress can circumvent executive orders, and have. Executive orders are the legislative equivalent of patching a leak with a bandaid.

I mean, in your perfect world what would Biden do? He's not all powerful..