his isn't about ignoring bad ideas, he was friendly and conciliatory towards an upjumped 8channer and violent anti-semite. Or do the clips of him giving him advice on his career or his wife making him a peanut butter and jelly sandwich not mean anything? Or the clips of him arguing with his own audience regarding Fuentes being a nazi or not despite him being a holocaust-denier mean nothing?
No, it doesn't mean anything. Or yes, it means nothing. I watch his stream every day, I'm familiar with that vod, I watched it live. The reason he kept banning people in his chat for calling him a Nazi, is for the same reason he and Vaush got into a fight over whether or not George Bush is a fascist or not: it's because he wants to avoid the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" shit. Call someone a fascist just because they want lower taxes or are against abortion, and you cut yourself off from any further talks by demonizing them, and also make it easier for the real fascists to move in silence because when everyone's a fascist, no one's a fascist. Likewise, their own audience is more emboldened.
Nick Fuentes is a white nationalist, but he isn't actually a Nazi (I only call him a Nazi because fuck him, I don't care to walk on eggshells for people that don't warrant my respect). And you make yourself look like the loser by relying on ad hominems and insults when talking to someone about your disagreements. You have to contend with their arguments, not their character. There has to be a mutual agreement that you're going to sit there and listen to their repugnant ideas in order to counter them. So he was conciliatory, and respectful, and friendly, while ALSO pushing back on his arguments. And because of that, Nick's audience heard pushback that he never gets because he's in his little echo chamber on Rumble, and Destiny's audience saw that Destiny had answers for Nick's arguments, learned what to say in the same situation, and got the feel good chemicals in your head that you get when you see your beliefs defended by a talented rhetorician.
There obvioulsy is the problem of him signal boosting Nick Fuentes by giving him access to Destiny's audience, but that's a price you have to pay to push back on bad ideas. You gotta hear the ideas first.
And again, I don't have a problem with the comedic or entertainment value in stuff like this, but this type of thing absolutely tarnishes a person in the eyes of most people. At least when it comes to being someone to look towards for serious political opinions. That and spending energy having fantastic conversations like arguing in favor of personal usage of racial slurs or the therapeutic value of child pornography.
These people need to do better then. I mean,
literally do better. These people should hop in the discord and debate him out of it. Would be fun to see.
Sorry, this just reads like fanboyism. There's a very long list or reasons why he shouldn't be taken this seriously and has huge faults. You ignore this because you value debate content and he cares enough to be well-read (on some things) and has a lot of practice gish-galloping around idiots. I prefer political commentary that doesn't involve calling for the killing of protestors, for example.
I'm very obviously a fan, I don't link his content here out of spite. I link it because there's stuff in the videos that I know everyone in here would both enjoy, AND agree with no matter how many times he's said nigga. None of these reasons have anything to do with him being right or wrong though. And you're doing the thing where you cut the context out of things he's said so it sounds worse than it is:
Destiny argues for using the Soft A is really translated to "Destiny thinks it's okay to say whatever you want in private, including slurs, but agrees you shouldn't say slurs to other people." I promise you you don't disagree with this sentiment.
Destiny argues for therapeutic CP is translated to "Destiny asking the question of maybe artificially created CP or CP collected ethically could be used to prevent non-offending PDF files from committing sex acts against children, since sexual compulsion can't simply be turned off" The term "ethical CP" refers to CP already collected by the FBI or whatever. It's a misnomer, but I think you get what it means. Not an argument you wanna be saying anywhere but in one of his debates, but the logic is sound *shrug*
It's a matter of opinion but the few people here who aren't complete bad-faith morons are people I would listen to before any of Destiny's content. The people involved in The Minority Report for example, at least try to avoid being spiteful and vile and make it less obvious how much they enjoy the smell of their own farts. Speaking of getting high on your own supply, while Sam Harris is someone I no longer agree with politically on many things, I see more value to what he has to say than someone like Destiny.
To each their own, I guess.
Oh! That claim makes for the perfect demonstration of Steven's political commentary aptitude then. By all means, one day when you decide you're bored and want to check your biases to make sure you're still a based skeptic like us cool kids, watch any conversation he's ever had with any of these people.
...except maybe the "Buckets of Cum" convo with Sam Seder. Or don't, really. I mean I do a disservice to him arguing in his favor here, because the best character witnesses wouldn't be his fans, but rather his colleagues. Nearly every major political commentator in our country, and some in other countries, can attest to his honesty, professionalism, and accuracy. I ain't gotta prove shit lol. But I do a disservice to YOU by not correcting your misconceptions of him.
Tell me where I did that?
When you claimed that my strategies for how to stop the ostracizing of men by the left was actually coddling them instead of simply being considerate of their feelings. You're perpetuating the stereotype toxic men who claim that men should just suck it up and take the bad news, get over it and move on. You're also perpetuating the stereotype of Leftists: that they don't know how to appeal to men either because they don't give a shit about them, or they're only progressive when it comes to women, the LGBTQ, and brown folk.
Meanwhile, folks on the Right step in and do the ACTUAL coddling. Telling them they're not wrong for believing what they believe because society wants them feminized and subservient to make them easier to control. Telling them that they can't get laid because women are whores genetically designed to be hypergamous; riding the cock carousel until they're used up, and then settling for the advances of the betamale simps that the gigachads have left them to.
