In point 4 you are asking us to be ethical and credit the English Manga Editors (for what other reason other than ethics would credits be given... courtesy is a part of ethics after all) and in point 1 you are stating that ethical people have nothing to do here... I guess you are pretty right by saying "So I was wrong saying that people like to talk but are doing the things they are talking against?", because I can't help but find both of those points in complete contradiction.
Yeah, only solution will be to buy the raw manga ourselves. I'm pretty sure that that way of thinking will eventually lead you to telling people that don't understand Japanese to hire a translator and pay for a translation. It's a valid argument, after all, since it all comes down to paying money for something someone else did, which is the courteous thing to do.
And sorry, from reading everything that you've posted, it appears to me that the ones that cried out where the English Manga Editors pleading that a rule that's been here for several years be enforced (particularly Blinktopia since they've been the only one defending this issue, plus one of them said in a post somewhere here that the admins of this site are personal friends of his/her. I've failed to see up till this moment someone not being from Blinktopia defend completely that rule... I fail to see any other English Editing group debating here, and why this only became an important issue until their Edited Mangas got severely stolen this weekend (hence the reminder of the rule) and not when it has been going on with SleepyFans for some time, including previous weeks, makes me wonder if I'm actually debating against an objective, not biased admin that isn't just at this very moment backing up only Blinktopia's interests, although in the near future that same posture will, I'm sure, be backing up all the Editing groups' interests by preventing Editing groups from removing their works).
And the hypocrisy, as I clearly see it, is you telling all the International Manga Editors not to steal, while you encourage the posting of manga that is, in fact, stolen (given that they are posted by Editing groups). That's the hypocrisy that has been discussed in this topic and from which you wish attention not be focused to. Remember, you told me that even if credit is given, scans can't be used if we haven't got permission, so your rule is not actually that much about giving credit, but more of "having permission", so stop focusing only on the credits part. Ok, now that I think of it, your rule is only against the stealing of Edited Mangas, not of stealing manga, so I guess you have a point there about why your rule is valid due to a technicality. And yes, you are the administrator of this site so you can make whatever rules you wish to, there's no point in me debating anything. If people didn't complain, then things wouldn't be done. If Blinktopia hadn't complained this weekend, you wouldn't have posted this. So yes, I'm complaining, but so did Blinktopia, and so did you by creating both this news posts (You actually need to stop only judging other people and also take a moment to look at how you act, since you've very much done everything you are accusing everyone else of doing). I don't know, but just sitting back quietly and accepting things without trying to bring about change that one considers positive, is just being submissive. I'm sure that Blinktopia didn't sit back, but complained. Did you tell them to stop crying? I bet you didn't, and the easiest way for them was to complain to their admin friend, instead of contacting each Editing group and kindly asking them to cease. However, since they think like you do, you fail to judge them too... I think Blinktopia should be (I'm serious) applauded for complaining about something that is just plain wrong, which consists in not giving due credit, and trying to make a change.
Anyway, as you stated, my real issue is not with your rule, since I'll definitely be following it, but with the availability of RAWs (If RAWs are available, there's no need to use the English groups' scans), so hence I will leave this topic seeing that you are correct on that matter, and that I do think credit should be given. I've got to take my discussion up with the groups somewhere else, evidently, and ask them for their RAWs, instead of arguing here something that isn't the topic of discussion. Sorry for bothering you with these trivialities that I should have taken up with the Editing groups instead.
1. Binktopia
2. Actually, the parallelism you made is an illogical one considering Manga Editors (or Binktopia in this case), don't take credit for creating Naruto...we very much do credit the mangakas.
So you did in fact ask the mangaka for permission, and he gave it... which is what MangaHelpers wants people to do. If you please re-read what the admin posted, he is not asking as just to credit, but expressly have their affirmative permission.
Rule Summarized: Ask for permission. If affirmative and express permission is granted, then give credit. If express permission is not given (silence would count as not giving permission), then don't use the scans.
Even if we give credit, that is not enough to comply with the rule being enforced. I'm just explaining the "logicality" of my statement, nothing more, since you didn't understand it. Your equation failed, thus, because you failed to include the "Blinktopia has express permission part", and hence you can't compare yourself to the International groups' current situation. Of course, you can't give me the Japflap example because I expressly mentioned that the permission shouldn't be required when no other RAWs or Manga Editors are available, but I've already given up on this issue since things won't get changed. I only question the permission part, yet people seem to think that I'm against giving credit, which is not the situation. Anyway, the rule is a rule that's not going to be changed, so my arguments become pretty useless.
Note: The following has nothing to do with the topic in discussion.
No... posting it and publishing it are quite different. If translating a work of art and writing it down was an offense, then I'm afraid google is gonna have a lot of explaining to do with their language translator which may/may not be used to translate such things.
Now that is illogical, that argument won't stand anywhere... Google isn't the one that does the translation, in this case. You do it the moment you hit the "translate" button (you wouldn't blame a translating dictionary now, would you), as is the case with most programs used to make illegal things; you can't blame the program itself, you can't blame the application, as you can't blame the gun/bullet for killing someone and wanting the gun manufacturers to be responsible. You are the only one responsible of the use that you give to things, be it a legal or illegal use.
You post your translation on MangaHelpers, you are thus publishing it. Just because the button might say post (I've got no idea what it says), that doesn't mean your definition has to be the legal one. You are fixing it in a medium, probably for more time than can be considered fair use, and are making it available to the public at a whole, which is called "publishing". If you think publishing (in legal terms) only involves publishing things in a book that is going to be sold, you are way wrong.
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Anyway, the rule is the rule, as I've already found out it's not going to be changed, nor any toleration given. So there's really no more reason to continue arguing this like the admin said. So, I'll leave, comply with any rules as has always been my intention, and part the reason why I wanted to get a little exception introduced into it. If anyone wants to reply to what I've said, do it but don't expect an answer, since there is no point in debating if people are going to get nowhere and debating is not encouraged.
