Quarterfinal August vs God Serena

[coolerthanzerok]

I'm not really sure August can copy DS magic, especially since he was impressed that God S could use 8 types of DS magic. Even if he could, he probably can't copy the physical capabilities of dragon slayers such as eating magic and dragonization since these require the body of the DS to be close to that of a dragon's. So even if August does manage to copy God S' magic it's not going to do him any good. August is not going to be Immune to DS attacks while God S is going to be Immune to all the DS attacks. Not only that, the DS attacks will make God S stronger so August is better off not copying DS magic.


Larcade doesn't have any really good feats though

Ultimately, August doesn't need to copy DS magic, because he's so over the top crazy strong. It's fun to speculate though.

 

[Enima]

Ultimately, August doesn't need to copy DS magic, because he's so over the top crazy strong. It's fun to speculate though.

I know, I think we all know who's going to win but we're just trying to figure out whether it's going to be low diff, mid diff or high diff.

 

[kkck]

I still don't get the debate. I think it's pretty clear who wins.
However, I'm interested - can August copy/nulify trasnformation magic? So for example if he was fighting against Mira, could he nullify her transformation, and transfrom into a demon himself? I mean, it is caster magic.
And if he can, what about Irene? Could he nullify her Dragon Form?

I would guess mira's magic is not something he can copy. Well, he could nullify the attacks used by her various demons but not the actual transformation. He then perhaps would be unable to copy the attacks because he doesn't have the demon to transform into. Takeover users have actual creatures within them, that shouldn't be something he can copy.

I doubt he can nullify her dragon form. Her dragon form is not a magical transformation, it is her actual true form. The question would be whether he can undo her human form... But that question is kinda moot.

 

[coolerthanzerok]

I know, I think we all know who's going to win but we're just trying to figure out whether it's going to be low diff, mid diff or high diff.

As far as I'm concerned, unless a character shows a good reliable counter to his canceling ability, all of August's fights are low diff. He's only really been hurt from a sucker-punch stabbing, and from Gildartz, and proceeded from both of those points to respond with extreme prejudice. August is madness.

 

[Kiki]

I still don't get the debate. I think it's pretty clear who wins.
However, I'm interested - can August copy/nulify trasnformation magic? So for example if he was fighting against Mira, could he nullify her transformation, and transfrom into a demon himself? I mean, it is caster magic.
And if he can, what about Irene? Could he nullify her Dragon Form?

I think it's like this. He can copy Mira's demon's magic, for example, he can copy her nuke but he can't transform into a demon like Mira does. He would need a demon soul. Another example, August's laser. I think it's a copy version of DiMaria's laser? Idk. He would need a god soul to transform into a god but he still can copy Chronos' magic. On your question about nullification, can't he only nullify all magics cast on him, I mean ones cast on his mere body/ones that touch his body?

CMIIW

 

[Enima]

As far as I'm concerned, unless a character shows a good reliable counter to his canceling ability, all of August's fights are low diff. He's only really been hurt from a sucker-punch stabbing, and from Gildartz, and proceeded from both of those points to respond with extreme prejudice. August is madness.

I think Gildarts, Natsu, Zeref and Irene can all give August a high diff fight. Though August will win at the end.

I think it's like this. He can copy Mira's demon's magic, for example, he can copy her nuke but he can't transform into a demon like Mira does. He would need a demon soul. Another example, August's laser. I think it's a copy version of DiMaria's laser? Idk. He would need a god soul to transform into a god but he still can copy Chronos' magic. On your question about nullification, can't he only nullify all magics cast on him, I mean ones cast on his mere body/ones that touch his body?

CMIIW

I think August's magic limits him to only copy the magic in it's most basic form. For example even if he copied fire DS magic from Natsu he still wouldn't be able to use DF. Also his proficiency with the magic will also be limited. If he copied a certain type of magic from an experienced user (e.g. Gildarts) His proficiency with the magic would be less than the original user. At the same time if he copied the magic from a weaker user (e.g. midnight) his proficiency would be higher due to the vast difference in MP.

In Dimaria's case, Dimaria herself is quite experienced with the magic and her MP isn't too low either and she has a form which August can't copy. So if August tried to fight Dimaria using her own magic he would have a hard time, it would be much easier to finish her using a different type of magic.

Coming back to God S, since August can't directly copy his magic and since God S has pretty decent MP It will be a mid diff fight. Out of all the people, why did God Serena end up with AUGUST!!!!

 

[kkck]

I think Gildarts, Natsu, Zeref and Irene can all give August a high diff fight. Though August will win at the end.


I think August's magic limits him to only copy the magic in it's most basic form. For example even if he copied fire DS magic from Natsu he still wouldn't be able to use DF. Also his proficiency with the magic will also be limited. If he copied a certain type of magic from an experienced user (e.g. Gildarts) His proficiency with the magic would be less than the original user. At the same time if he copied the magic from a weaker user (e.g. midnight) his proficiency would be higher due to the vast difference in MP.

In Dimaria's case, Dimaria herself is quite experienced with the magic and her MP isn't too low either and she has a form which August can't copy. So if August tried to fight Dimaria using her own magic he would have a hard time, it would be much easier to finish her using a different type of magic.

Coming back to God S, since August can't directly copy his magic and since God S has pretty decent MP It will be a mid diff fight. Out of all the people, why did God Serena end up with AUGUST!!!!

Honestly, I don't think his proficiency with the magic at the moment he copies it is all that relevant. There are a number of factors to consider here. First of all, the biggest issue here is not the copying but rather the nullifying. Any human enemy could throw at august the most arbitrarily and complex magic he can use and even if august can't copy it he is still invulnerable to it. Meanwhile he can respond with any of the magics he is proficient with. And even this is fairly optimistic in regards to how effective his copying is. Given that he has been at it for about 100 years and through that time has copied hundreds, if not thousands of magics then it is not a stretch that new ones wouldn't necessarily give him that much trouble.

The most optimistic scenario has is that august can't immediately copy his magic but I would argue even that is a stretch. But even if he can't, he is still invulnerable to it by default.

 

[Enima]

Honestly, I don't think his proficiency with the magic at the moment he copies it is all that relevant. There are a number of factors to consider here. First of all, the biggest issue here is not the copying but rather the nullifying. Any human enemy could throw at august the most arbitrarily and complex magic he can use and even if august can't copy it he is still invulnerable to it. Meanwhile he can respond with any of the magics he is proficient with. And even this is fairly optimistic in regards to how effective his copying is. Given that he has been at it for about 100 years and through that time has copied hundreds, if not thousands of magics then it is not a stretch that new ones wouldn't necessarily give him that much trouble.

The most optimistic scenario has is that august can't immediately copy his magic but I would argue even that is a stretch. But even if he can't, he is still invulnerable to it by default.

Yeah August clearly has the advantage but he's not going to use all the magic he copied, he's going to use the ones he's proficient with. August can't nullify a magic that he couldn't copy, like cana's magic. Instead of nullifying it he dodged it which proves he can only cancel magic that he can copy.

August has lived for 100 years which raises the question, why did he never bother to learn DS magic which is one of the most powerful types of magic in existence and would've been extremely useful against Acnologia. Not to mention that it literally makes him invulnerable against the particular DS' element.

IMO i think August can't copy Serena's magic and it would be mid diff fight for August.

 

[coolerthanzerok]

Yeah August clearly has the advantage but he's not going to use all the magic he copied, he's going to use the ones he's proficient with. August can't nullify a magic that he couldn't copy, like cana's magic. Instead of nullifying it he dodged it which proves he can only cancel magic that he can copy.

August has lived for 100 years which raises the question, why did he never bother to learn DS magic which is one of the most powerful types of magic in existence and would've been extremely useful against Acnologia. Not to mention that it literally makes him invulnerable against the particular DS' element.

IMO i think August can't copy Serena's magic and it would be mid diff fight for August.

Probably because the invulnerability would be redundant. Furthermore, Dragonslayers aren't truly invulnerable to their elements. Remember when Natsu fought Zancrow? Those flames hurt him at first, so it's not a true immunity. They have to eat them to negate them, which 95% of the time is functionally identical.

Also, I don't think he can copy dragon force, for instance, but I think if it's caster magic he can nullify it. The magic itself doesn't necessitate an item. Also, the dragon seed is the result of using DS magic, not the other way around, which is why August might be able to copy dragon slayer magic and also why he might not be a user, due to his wariness of dragonification.

 

[Enima]

Probably because the invulnerability would be redundant. Furthermore, Dragonslayers aren't truly invulnerable to their elements. Remember when Natsu fought Zancrow? Those flames hurt him at first, so it's not a true immunity. They have to eat them to negate them, which 95% of the time is functionally identical.

Also, I don't think he can copy dragon force, for instance, but I think if it's caster magic he can nullify it. The magic itself doesn't necessitate an item. Also, the dragon seed is the result of using DS magic, not the other way around, which is why August might be able to copy dragon slayer magic and also why he might not be a user, due to his wariness of dragonification.

Makes sense, but still it would've been useful if Acno had tried to stop the spriggans. They were basically sitting ducks against Acno, he could've killed them whenever he wanted. For a bunch of guys trying to kill a legendary dragon you would think they would've thought of a backup plan.

Can he nullify an attack that's Unique to DF and can only be used while the user is in DF?

I think it's the other way around. Dragon seed enables a person to use DS magic. Or at least that's the case with Dragon Lacrima.

 

[coolerthanzerok]

Makes sense, but still it would've been useful if Acno had tried to stop the spriggans. They were basically sitting ducks against Acno, he could've killed them whenever he wanted. For a bunch of guys trying to kill a legendary dragon you would think they would've thought of a backup plan.

Can he nullify an attack that's Unique to DF and can only be used while the user is in DF?

Dragon Slayers aren't inherently stronger than any other mages and I don't see what special qualify their spells provide against humans. It's still a caster type spell, so he should still be able to nullify it just fine because that's in the description of his ability.

 

[EmptySoul]

Those implying August can use DS magic need to come up with where that was said instead of assumptions

August cant use it for reasons 1) u can only gain it from a dragon or a lacrima which was
2) August did not gain DS magic from none of those mentioned above

August was never shown to use DS magic and u guys are just giving him the benefit of the doubt
At best August could probably only copy the element of the DS such as Natsus fire or Laxus's lightning but that doesnt make it DS magic as his doesnt have DS magic attached to it

If August could copy DS magic,he could copy DeS and GS magic (GS magic being the only believable one here)
Which would make him a DS,DeS,GS
Which with those three mastered he would basically be a god no? In fact hed be > Acno so what was stopping him from beating Acno? Is it The fact that Acno can eat all magic? August didnt know that at the time

Again August was not shown to use DS magic the entirity of how long he was in the manga,no panels,no proof

This is kinda like claiming Rufus can use DS magic

All in all August being able to use DS magic is without basis
Also i dont think @Labi meant DS magic was a holder type but that it has the same weakness as holder types to August and i completely agree with him

And im not denying August wins this,just saying that he cant use DS magic
Imo August wins this low-mid diff.

 

[kkck]

Those implying August can use DS magic need to come up with where that was said instead of assumptions

August cant use it for reasons 1) u can only gain it from a dragon or a lacrima which was
2) August did not gain DS magic from none of those mentioned above

August was never shown to use DS magic and u guys are just giving him the benefit of the doubt
At best August could probably only copy the element of the DS such as Natsus fire or Laxus's lightning but that doesnt make it DS magic as his doesnt have DS magic attached to it

If August could copy DS magic,he could copy DeS and GS magic (GS magic being the only believable one here)
Which would make him a DS,DeS,GS
Which with those three mastered he would basically be a god no? In fact hed be > Acno so what was stopping him from beating Acno? Is it The fact that Acno can eat all magic? August didnt know that at the time

Again August was not shown to use DS magic the entirity of how long he was in the manga,no panels,no proof

This is kinda like claiming Rufus can use DS magic

All in all August being able to use DS magic is without basis
Also i dont think @Labi meant DS magic was a holder type but that it has the same weakness as holder types to August and i completely agree with him

And im not denying August wins this,just saying that he cant use DS magic
Imo August wins this low-mid diff.

Rufus CAN use god slayer magic.
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v36/c306/12.html

Orga's black lightning is right there.

 

[EmptySoul]

Rufus CAN use god slayer magic.
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v36/c306/12.html

Orga's black lightning is right there.

I thought someone would say that
Rufus did use Orgas GS magic
But DS magic and GS magic are very different
GS magic cant only be gained by a god or a lacrima like DS magic,it is simply learnt from a book and it doesnt have the same circumstances as gaining DS Magic

 

[BluePegasus]

Those implying August can use DS magic need to come up with where that was said instead of assumptions

August cant use it for reasons 1) u can only gain it from a dragon or a lacrima which was
2) August did not gain DS magic from none of those mentioned above

August was never shown to use DS magic and u guys are just giving him the benefit of the doubt
At best August could probably only copy the element of the DS such as Natsus fire or Laxus's lightning but that doesnt make it DS magic as his doesnt have DS magic attached to it

If August could copy DS magic,he could copy DeS and GS magic (GS magic being the only believable one here)
Which would make him a DS,DeS,GS
Which with those three mastered he would basically be a god no? In fact hed be > Acno so what was stopping him from beating Acno? Is it The fact that Acno can eat all magic? August didnt know that at the time

Again August was not shown to use DS magic the entirity of how long he was in the manga,no panels,no proof

This is kinda like claiming Rufus can use DS magic

All in all August being able to use DS magic is without basis
Also i dont think @Labi meant DS magic was a holder type but that it has the same weakness as holder types to August and i completely agree with him

And im not denying August wins this,just saying that he cant use DS magic
Imo August wins this low-mid diff.

Uh, do you even know what it means to have Copy Magic? It literally means that you can copy every form of magic. So unless you can tell me that Dragon Slayer Magic isn't a magic type, you won't convince anyone.

God Serena is outright chanceless here.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Those implying August can use DS magic need to come up with where that was said instead of assumptions

August was said to copy all Caster Magic, DS is a Caster magic, don't tell me you also deny facts and think it is holder type ?

August cant use it for reasons 1) u can only gain it from a dragon or a lacrima which was
2) August did not gain DS magic from none of those mentioned above

August doesn't need either to copy it, I keep saying this again and again but for some reason nobody looks at it,a DS lacrima contains DS magic to give the person who has it DS magic, that is what August copies, what August needs to copy is the magic, there is no need for a lacrima to give him the magic.

August was never shown to use DS magic and u guys are just giving him the benefit of the doubt

I've shown this before on Discord, and I'll show it here :

Spoiler

Those marks are there each time August uses his copy magic and are there when August uses his Red Skin mode, and you can see the "SST" sound its making, that was when August was asked about GS after Acno shredded him. Now Copy Marks after GS showed his magic and died, then August says "He's here with me" , we haven't seen it, but anyone with rational and logical thinking would say its because he copied his magic(DS Magic). I hope you have rational and logical thinking.

If August could copy DS magic,he could copy DeS and GS magic (GS magic being the only believable one here)
Which would make him a DS,DeS,GS
Which with those three mastered he would basically be a god no? In fact hed be > Acno so what was stopping him from beating Acno? Is it The fact that Acno can eat all magic? August didnt know that at the time

He is the Magic King, who is above every mage in the verse in terms of power, he was a god because looking back at what it took to scratch him(From Gildarts nonetheless) and Ars Magia, which can wipe out a country.
And no, he won't beat Acno, he'd damage him but Acno has better physical stats, way more magic power than August and pretty much superior in most if not all stats. August knew how strong which is why he stopped Jacob from attacking Acnologia. And August probably knew that Acnologia is also outright superior to Zeref(an immortal with death magic) because he said "We're out of time" when Acnologia came back.

Again August was not shown to use DS magic the entirity of how long he was in the manga,no panels,no proof

And August wasn't shown much magic at all, does that mean because he didn't show magic that he doesn't know it ? Because y'know, No Panels, No Proof ? We already have a statement that he can copy all caster magic, and I explained above why he can copy DS magic.

All in all August being able to use DS magic is without basis

Other than the marks....and the statement of being able to use all caster magic....no basis.....

Spoiler

Also i dont think @Labi meant DS magic was a holder type but that it has the same weakness as holder types to August and i completely agree with him

I didn't understand the weakness that @Labi mentioned, but you seem to understand, so can you explain it to me if you may ? :>

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Why is this fight still going on ?? Close this lol August rapes him so hard

 

[EmptySoul]

Uh, do you even know what it means to have Copy Magic? It literally means that you can copy every form of magic. So unless you can tell me that Dragon Slayer Magic isn't a magic type, you won't convince anyone.

God Serena is outright chanceless here.

Such a dull reply,didnt even counter any of my points ,i wonder why...

Also no one is denying August stomps GS here

 

[Doughboy]

I would guess mira's magic is not something he can copy. Well, he could nullify the attacks used by her various demons but not the actual transformation. He then perhaps would be unable to copy the attacks because he doesn't have the demon to transform into. Takeover users have actual creatures within them, that shouldn't be something he can copy.

I agree with this fam. Same perspective when it comes to armors or weapons. Instantaneous Copy magic seems to simply work on abstract properties, so literally Caster Magic. Anything concrete he can't copy, so holder, weapons, transformations, armor is not something abstract. It's a good weakness to an incredibly hax magic. Also not confirmed but his magic wouldn't be able to copy curses since they're not a caster magic and like I've said before, we haven't seen not one human use a curse before, they're strictly for Etherious.

 

[kkck]

I thought someone would say that
Rufus did use Orgas GS magic
But DS magic and GS magic are very different
GS magic cant only be gained by a god or a lacrima like DS magic,it is simply learnt from a book and it doesnt have the same circumstances as gaining DS Magic

None of the slayer type magics have been implied to be dramatically different overall. They all do basically the same thing, grant the user the physiology and abilities of the creature they are imitating in order to destroy that creature. EVen grey had his demon slayer magic enchanted onto him. And we even know for a fact that there are gods around on which this magic is effective on. Odds are that shelia through some unknown event had the magic enchanted on to her just as every other slayer. Wild guesses: either she learned how to enchant herself from the book or the book had an enchantment which got to her.